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[Auraad]

Well, I've stopped playing DA:O because I CANT GO ANY FURTHER (a bug is stopping me from completing the fade quest/final battle against the *geez - I removed it since kinda spoiler*).
I would like to continue, but I cant - I am sooooooooo very much frustrated. The Wither never did this to me - I had a fantastic experience throughout the game and imo the world is darker and more believable.

Of course, DA:O has the best NPC interaction we (at least I) have seen yet in a CRPG, but that's about it. The story is nothing special.

Anyway, both games are good games, but DA:O is cuerrently the worst game ever, since I can't play it ...

Modifié par Auraad, 08 juin 2010 - 07:01 .

[HoonDing]

Setting & atmosphere are the most important in a RPG for me, which is why I vastly prefer Witcher over DA. The Witcher game world feels alive. People in cities & villages move around, have conversations, comment as Geralt runs by them ("A Witcher! Hide your women!", etc)... even run for shelter when it's raining.



Gameplay isn't exactly anything special, but at least the game has a great enemy variety on par with a D&D game that require to change tactics (as opposed to spamming the same spells over and over again in DA) and the alchemy setting can be pretty deep depending how much one is willing to spend time on it (not to mention potion spamming is impossible in the Witcher due to the 'toxicity' feature).



Story & characters are decent --- and at least the storyline is a personal one, rather than the ages-old "ancient evil rises up, go out and save the world, you Oh So Special One".

[Lord Gremlin]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Rzepik2 wrote...
Erm... "The Wedding" is just a joke written as a... wedding gift.

Yes, according to Sapkowski, it's not canon. Sorta.
Anyway, I am not sure if I get that stuff with amnesia in the game. Does not make a sense when at the end of the... wait, you guys have read the whole saga already? Don't want to spoil anything.

Well, I've heard that, but lets' be honest - the real ending is one of the biggest cliff-hangers in literature. It's classic "and they all suddenly went to some unknown places".


Interestingly, I've never read any Dragon Age related books... They doesn't seem like, you know, good ones. After all, Sapkowski is a master.

[gingerbill]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Agreed, The Witcher > DAO. Much more mature and dark than DAO

There's REAL consequences, unlike BioWare games where "consequences"==emails/epilogue texts

There's really hard choices and there's never a right choice, unlike BioWare games

i notice you dont mention that in DAO choices can lead to killing party members which is about as much effect as you can hope for , i guess that didnt fit in with your argument so you didnt mention it. Or the dozens off other choices that have serious affects , maybe you didnt notice them either  . Me thinks you never even played the game.

why post about witcher in DAO forums OP? , strange.

[Sharpus]

gingerbill wrote...

i notice you dont mention that in DAO choices can lead to killing party members which is about as much effect as you can hope for , i guess that didnt fit in with your argument so you didnt mention it. Or the dozens off other choices that have serious affects , maybe you didnt notice them either  . Me thinks you never even played the game.

My Dwarven Noble said to a KING OF FERELDEN! basically to f**** off and he was carrying the conversation like nothing happened and was still pissing his legs from joy of meeting me. No consequences.

You can turn a Blood Mage hating companion in to...Blood Mage, and still nothing happens.

You can go to the High Priestess take of your pants and sh*t on the floor and she will still greet you with "Hello!"

There are no consequences in DA:O.

[xCirdanx]

Sharpus wrote...

My Dwarven Noble said to a KING OF FERELDEN! basically to f**** off and he was carrying the conversation like nothing happened and was still pissing his legs from joy of meeting me. No consequences.

You can turn a Blood Mage hating companion in to...Blood Mage, and still nothing happens.

You can go to the High Priestess take of your pants and sh*t on the floor and she will still greet you with "Hello!"

There are no consequences in DA:O.

I think the same way. However i enjoy both games, they are simply not the same, but i think the witcher is the better RPG in my opinion, more original story with good plot twists, more realistic characters and a living world. As i see it, in the witcher you write you own story with your actions, in DA you get more carried thru the story with little to no impact to it.

As for people not liking the combat system, i´m not a big fan of it either. But, i´m also not a fan of DA´s hack&slay gameplay. At last, playing the witcher on hard has me thinking about what talents i need to take, how i buff myself and always watching out for the right combat style. While, playing DA on nightmare is still pretty much straight forward and not that hard, and it´s nearly impossible to screw up your character.

I´m very excited about The Witcher 2 at the moment. Can´t say the same about DA2.

To each their own i guess.

[Roland Aseph]

I actually have enjoyed BOTH for what they each bought to the RPG table



Both games are Great imo



Just depends on what kind of experience you're in the mood for when you sit down.

[nicomontana]

I played the Witcher long time ago, and now I've just finished DAO
I like both actually but DAO feels greater and bigger to me, the Story of the witcher is very simple in my opinion and not that "epic" like the one in DAO. It's far more regional with fewer places to act.
And the choices are lame, there are 3 main choices in the game, you went for the Knights, for the Elves or you kill both.
The last Enemy before the Final Fight shows the Consequences and later the game is over.
I would like to write more precisly but English is not my native English...

DAO > Witcher in my opinion

Both are great games

[neppakyo]

I got so bored of the witcher.. the quests, running around, and the monotonous combat system.. I forced myself through around 3 hours of it.. and haven't played it since.



Now, DAO and ME2 im back and forth always having a game on the go. It has something that sucks ya in..



Oh, in the PC ver, crap load of mods you can do to DOA.

[Domyk]

Love the story of the Witcher. What killed it for me is the User interface and the annoying screen shake / head bob when your player character is moving around.

[2A92 Legion]

Vote here: http://social.biowar...794/polls/6544/

(Sorry for bad english. We're doing our best

[Sauronvoldemort]

I don't like Witcher. Lousy combat.

[Yana Montana]

I enjoyed Witcher while playing it, but when I got my hands on DA:O I was blown away by its scale and history and culture. And you can play as female! Yay!

Anyways, both games are great in its own way. There are not so many true fantasy RPG out there to argue which one is best.

[Loerwyn]

Domyk wrote...

Love the story of the Witcher. What killed it for me is the User interface and the annoying screen shake / head bob when your player character is moving around.

I'm with you on the UI (it's not the nicest), but I thought you could turn the head bob off? Not had a real look in the settings, so I can't verify it right now.

[Asurablade]

Rob Sabbaggio wrote...

I liked the Witcher a lot to start with, but became bored with it and just about struggled to the finish line.

The storyline was good, at least to start, and it had a great sense of atmosphere and some excellent quests. But I felt the game tapered off, and there wasnt much to see/do once you entered the final levels (city on fire and swamp), and the ending was poor I felt.

And throughout there were annoyances. The combat was bad, interface clunky, map hopeless, lack of customisation criminal and having zero party members to interract with didnt help.

I much preferred Dragon Age.

Yeah... i see a resemblance with dragon age there... final levels... city on fire..... text written epilogues. I'm impressed at your ignorant nature sir.

[Vaeliorin]

While The Witcher certainly seemed to have potential, the combat is quite possibly the most awful I've ever encountered in an RPG, and that's saying a lot. It's so incredibly boring that I'm not sure how anyone thought it was a good idea. Pick combat form, rhythm-based clicks = yawn. The vast majority of it could be done with your eyes closed.

The story was fairly interesting, until the game started telling me that I'd decided things that I hadn't decided at all. While doing the investigation, the journal kept updating telling me I'd ruled people out who, as far as I was concerned, I hadn't ruled out or even really investigated yet.

I got about as far as the nicer part of the city of Vizima (I want to say Chapter 3?) before I got so bored with the game that I wasn't really interested in continuing. The pacing was pretty bad at that point. Lots of running around without much interesting happening left me looking for something that wouldn't put me to sleep.

I hope to finish the game someday, but the bad gameplay and uninteresting character build options leave me at something of a loss as to reasons to push through what so far appears to be a mediocre story with 2 possible factions for me to side with, neither of which seems to have much to recommend them.

Modifié par Vaeliorin, 09 juin 2010 - 09:00 .

[Auraad]

The combat systems of BOTH games were not good. So here they're equal (draw)

BOTH games did not show reaction to all actions - however, I don't see that this would be possible in a CRPG (here the human GMs still give an advantage! ) (draw)

The NPC interaction in DA:O was fantastic! (DAO wins this point)

The world of the Wither is far more fleshed out, lively and believable (Witcher wins)

The story of BOTH games have their advs and disses (but both of them are nothing special, really --- the story of the Witcher was more original while the story of DA:O was basically a copy of Lord of the Rings) - draw.



The best story I've ever played still was the BG series - nothing can come close. Though the idea of the Gothic series (1+2) was not bad, either ...



IMO Bioware could have created a much better game if they would not have wasted so much time/energy to create a complete new world. I know that alreay existing worlds (ie FR) impose many limitations on the game and story designs - and writers don't like that. However, what's bad for a writer is good for the gamer/reader (keyword: recognition value).

[Domyk]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Domyk wrote...

Love the story of the Witcher. What killed it for me is the User interface and the annoying screen shake / head bob when your player character is moving around.

I'm with you on the UI (it's not the nicest), but I thought you could turn the head bob off? Not had a real look in the settings, so I can't verify it right now.

Nope, posted on the official Witcher "Mod" forums, searched web regarding the head bob screen shake and nada. 

[MindYerBeak]

Does it make you chuckle when the Mods of this forum tell you not to use bad language, yet the DAO game contains exactly that? A Kiddy forum for a 'mature' audience? Not that I care for bad language on forums, but it seems you can be 'mature' in games but not on forums.

[Cyberfrog81]

Huh. People play The Witcher for 3 hours and decide it's not a good game? They don't know what they're talking about.



As for which is better, I'm not really sure (they're different, with different strengths and weaknesses), and I don't really care. Both are excellent games.

[Oldenglishcdr]

gingerbill wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...

Agreed, The Witcher > DAO. Much more mature and dark than DAO

There's REAL consequences, unlike BioWare games where "consequences"==emails/epilogue texts

There's really hard choices and there's never a right choice, unlike BioWare games

i notice you dont mention that in DAO choices can lead to killing party members which is about as much effect as you can hope for , i guess that didnt fit in with your argument so you didnt mention it. Or the dozens off other choices that have serious affects , maybe you didnt notice them either  . Me thinks you never even played the game.

why post about witcher in DAO forums OP? , strange.

So what if The Witcher is better than DAO, or not for that matter, I don't want to know about that game in the DAO forums. Next people will be saying Elder Srolls 5 is better than DAO here.

[BlackyBlack]

gingerbill wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...

Agreed, The Witcher > DAO. Much more mature and dark than DAO

There's REAL consequences, unlike BioWare games where "consequences"==emails/epilogue texts

There's really hard choices and there's never a right choice, unlike BioWare games

i notice you dont mention that in DAO choices can lead to killing party members which is about as much effect as you can hope for , i guess that didnt fit in with your argument so you didnt mention it. Or the dozens off other choices that have serious affects , maybe you didnt notice them either  . Me thinks you never even played the game.

Choices and consequences are not the same thing
BioWare games offer lots of choices, but barely any consequences and are just summed up in a crappy epilogue.
You CAN kill your entire party but you don't see any consequences for that action besides missing out on content

NONE of the choices in ANY BioWare game have serious affects. Killing an NPC just replaces that NPC with a different one and no quest ever changes. Only in Awakening a major quest actually changed (keep or city)
The major choice in BioWare games is always at the end so that they don't have to more content than a single different ending scene

Games like The Witcher and Alpha Protocol however, offer lots of consequences for every actions. Siding with someone can completely change some chapters/missions
For example, in The Witcher the final choice was much earlier and changed entire chapters rather than just one different scene

Modifié par BlackyBlack, 09 juin 2010 - 04:01 .

[AlanC9]

Oldenglishcdr wrote...
So what if The Witcher is better than DAO, or not for that matter, I don't want to know about that game in the DAO forums. Next people will be saying Elder Srolls 5 is better than DAO here.

Why do you care? I wouldn't mind folks on The Witcher's forums telling players that they ought to try DA next.

[Relshar]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

You cant customise your character in the Witcher, right?

You can't, at all.

The Witcher has a toolset so yes it is possible I would say.

As for which game is better? I liked them both. Completly different style of game play and worlds. How can you compare them to each other ? Its like saying Star Wars is better than Avatar.

[BlackyBlack]

Relshar wrote...

How can you compare them to each other ?

I don't understand how people can't compare stuff just because they aren't the same genre.
I prefer KOTOR over Crysis, Burnout Paradise over WarCraft 3, Tekken over NWN, GTA over Prince of Persia, MGS over Mass Effect, The Witcher over Just Cause, Max Payne over NBA Live, DAO over Lego Star Wars, Monkey Island over God of War, Devil May Cry over Two Worlds etc etc.

Modifié par BlackyBlack, 09 juin 2010 - 05:20 .