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[Avilia]

Can't argue with anything you've said.



I haven't managed to finish Awakenings and I've started it more than a few times. I found it a slightly odd empty experience.



To end on a bright note - it did give me a chance to try tanking with my dual weilding warrior ;-)

[Avilia]

Oh, I should add, the new characters had the potential to be interesting and fun. But alas no real time or capacity to get to know them properly.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yah I do agree with you on people talking things far to seriously, I personally like talking about stuff in the games, but if you post a critism of another charachter or event than that fan group will come after you. While many fans are cool, there are a lot of fan boys here too. Also outside of Warden's Keep every single DLC and expansion is just bad (not counting Stone Prisoner).

[Lord Gremlin]

Well, nobody takes it too seriously. Most people just referring to plot holes, when a fact is stated in game's story, and then this fact later on disproved in game, yet game continue to refer to this story fact as if nothing happened.

Awakening wasn't bad, in my opinion. It's a lot shorter than Origins of course and it feels rushed (due to conversation system), but overall it's enjoyable and it continues Origins story. As for introducing to new characters... This DLC was obviously rushed and had limited budget. They probably planned conversation system similar to DAO, but then everything that could be cut was cut to save time and money. Which is a great shame.

[Giggles_Manically]

Awakening: Sacrificing Story and Charachters, for splosions. (where have I heard that one before?)

[Xandurpein]

I think Awakening was cool and worth the effort, even if I agree with a lot of the OP's critizism.



I miss having a camp to talk to the new companion's some more, but on the whole the new companions where great, and the biggest problem really was that the storyline in Awakening was too short to allow us to get to know the companion's more.



Having the old companion's instead was probably not even an option, as all the voice actor's may not have been available.



I wish they had delayed Awakening six month's so they had time to do it longer and get it all right, but I definitely not think it was a waste of time to play it.

[krasnoarmeets]

I found it a complete waste of time, and like Avilia, have started quite a few times, but only managed to run through it once. I've completed DAO many many times.

Agree wholeheartedly on subsequent content. Darkspawn chronicles is crap. I do like Warden's Keep, but you never get to go back to Avernus, which peeves me somewhat. I like those blood powers and they don't even carry over to Awakening. Nor do any of the Warden's keep items for that matter. I love Sophia's armour.

Oh well, here's hoping they take their time with the next expansion,

[Lord Gremlin]

krasnoarmeets wrote...
I do like Warden's Keep, but you never get to go back to Avernus, which peeves me somewhat. I like those blood powers and they don't even carry over to Awakening. Nor do any of the Warden's keep items for that matter.

Actually those 2 blood powers carried over to Awakening for me. I'm playing on PS3, and it was a mage character.

[CybAnt1]

They carry over for consoles, not for PC.



And PC users have a modfix: imho, though, that's still no reason not to patch the problem. Not every PC user has the inclination to download & use mods and you can't turn them into your fallback support system.



Awakening was not bad all around. It had good aspects. It was also flawed. I can only agree it seems had they taken about 1-2 more months on it it might have been better.



But I do agree with the DlC, at least lately, it's mostly been ... fluff.

[AmstradHero]

I must say that I'm surprised at all the hate that's been levelled at Awakenings. It was an expansion, of course it's going to be shorter than the main game. I thought it was an enjoyable romp - albeit too easy on the combat side of things. Yes, it could have been better, but its generally easy to find means to improve any game.

I agree that it might have been better to expand on the previous companions rather than introduce new ones, but for the time we spent with them, we got to know them extremely well. I would argue that in terms of amount of character development per hour of gameplay, Awakenings beats Origins hands down.

While I'm at it, I found the short story of Awakenings more contained and driven than the broad sweeping strokes of Origins. No, I'm not going to put it down as one of the most amazing things I've played, but I don't see why people think it was downright awful. It wasn't an epic, but it didn't have that scope. The ending was somewhat abrupt, but the decisions that you made in the last segment of the game were interesting.

Why the hate?

[Apollo Rising]

I thought Awakenings was a decent expansion,albeat a little overpriced but decent. I didn't mind the new conversation system,it seemed like the npcs always had something to say. I thought Anders was cool as hell and I also wound up digging Nate who I thought I would despise. The ending was a little abrupt and I wish it was longer, but most full games I buy are only 8 to 10 hours long,thats why I started getting into rpgs...more gameplay for your dollar.

I dont know what the hell Bioware was thinking with Darkspawn chronicles though...pay to kill everyone i've grown attached to over multiple playthroughs...no thanks.

[Brockololly]

I certainly did not hate Awakening, but I just felt like it was one big missed opportunity. The price and length of the game was fine, but I just felt story wise that you weren't getting the whole picture and the pacing and everything made it feel like the Cliff Notes version of a story. It just felt like you constantly were doing something, but you didn't always have the necessary story context to know why you were doing something or the significance of what you were doing.



So the story IMO, was fine- the whole Awakened Darkspawn plot is amazing in concept, but for whatever reason, the Architect gets about 2 scenes and thats it. I just felt like the whole Darkspawn plot could have filled the shoes for a full fledged sequel and not just an ex-pack and as a result, everything, especially the endgame in Awakening feels really rushed and sloppy.

It just felt like I was playing the outline of a potentially deep story, but you never get any of that depth, which in comparison to the depth of Origins, was disappointing, expansion pack or not. Perhaps in the future for ex-packs, BioWare should have fewer new companions or more old companions return, plus have a smaller or more focused storyline that doesn't need to result in some huge battle at the end.

[Addai]

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Go for walk to get out of the house, see friends, take up knitting... do something to calm yourself! Those who discuss these 'issues' and say that one of the characters didn't seem 'realistic' or whatever are missing some vital points: Darkspawn, Dragons, Mages and Elves do not exist. The whole game is fantasy and therefore it's unrealistic by default.

[*] 

In literary criticism, discussing whether something is realistic or plausible is judging it by its consistency with the rest of the story and with the larger lore.  It's a bit condescending to assume other players are discussing the story because we actually believe elves are real.  I mean, ...?

[AnniLau]

I'd only worry that people were taking it too seriously if they were very earnestly trying to have these conversations in real life with people who'd never played the game. As it is, this is an appropriate venue for such discussions.

[Patriciachr34]

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Go for walk to get out of the house, see friends, take up knitting... do something to calm yourself! Those who discuss these 'issues' and say that one of the characters didn't seem 'realistic' or whatever are missing some vital points: Darkspawn, Dragons, Mages and Elves do not exist. The whole game is fantasy and therefore it's unrealistic by default.

Some folks are having such heated discussions about various subjects. If there is anything to be (mildly) annoyed about it is how both Awakenings and the Darkspawn Chronicles have been a massive let down. Churned out in split-second time with no real thought to make a quick buck. MY buck. £20 for not much at all.

I feel very sad for you.  You actually believe that people who intelligently discuss works of fiction believe that the fiction is real.

By your logic, people who passionately discuss the psychology of Hamlet (a true whiney, indecisive prince) or the madness of King Lear should "get a life".  Gosh! I had to pay to discuss this when I attended university.  On the forums, I get to indulge my intellect for free!

Personally, I believe Bioware desreves a round fo applause for providing this rich content to us nerdrage gamers.  Yes. Origins and Awakenings are not perfect.  However, the content they provided in these games so inspires that fans roar in disapproval when they believe Bioware could have done a better job.  What higher praise could there be?

Finally, sorry you didn't like Awakenings.  I am having a great time with it!

[Kryyptehk]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Go for walk to get out of the house, see friends, take up knitting... do something to calm yourself! Those who discuss these 'issues' and say that one of the characters didn't seem 'realistic' or whatever are missing some vital points: Darkspawn, Dragons, Mages and Elves do not exist. The whole game is fantasy and therefore it's unrealistic by default.

Some folks are having such heated discussions about various subjects. If there is anything to be (mildly) annoyed about it is how both Awakenings and the Darkspawn Chronicles have been a massive let down. Churned out in split-second time with no real thought to make a quick buck. MY buck. £20 for not much at all.

I feel very sad for you.  You actually believe that people who intelligently discuss works of fiction believe that the fiction is real.

By your logic, people who passionately discuss the psychology of Hamlet (a true whiney, indecisive prince) or the madness of King Lear should "get a life".  Gosh! I had to pay to discuss this when I attended university.  On the forums, I get to indulge my intellect for free!

Personally, I believe Bioware desreves a round fo applause for providing this rich content to us nerdrage gamers.  Yes. Origins and Awakenings are not perfect.  However, the content they provided in these games so inspires that fans roar in disapproval when they believe Bioware could have done a better job.  What higher praise could there be?

Finally, sorry you didn't like Awakenings.  I am having a great time with it!

Ugh, this. Gemaphrodite, do you actually believe that people care that much about this game to get angry over it? The most I've seen is people getting mad at other people for taking arguments too far or being ass holes.

And I like how people like you assume that you can tell people how to enjoy their time on the internet. Kinda prosumptious.

[neppakyo]

Addai67 wrote...

[*]In literary criticism, discussing whether something is realistic or plausible is judging it by its consistency with the rest of the story and with the larger lore.  It's a bit condescending to assume other players are discussing the story because we actually believe elves are real.  I mean, ...?

[*]... you mean elves aren't real? *sob*

[Patriciachr34]

"Hugs Neppakyo".    They are real as long as they live in our hearts.

[Asdara]

Speaking of real - I am really starting to get jealous of all the amazingly cute hair styles and spiffyness in people's avatars - do you people actually get to make your characters look like that? Is it a PC only thing? I wanna be one of the cool kids /pout!



Oh, and yes, what's been said. Literature, plays, movies, other works of art all provoke discussion and debate. Why the OP thinks a video game with story and characters would be any different is beyond me.

[Kryyptehk]

Asdara wrote...

Speaking of real - I am really starting to get jealous of all the amazingly cute hair styles and spiffyness in people's avatars - do you people actually get to make your characters look like that? Is it a PC only thing? I wanna be one of the cool kids /pout!

Oh, and yes, what's been said. Literature, plays, movies, other works of art all provoke discussion and debate. Why the OP thinks a video game with story and characters would be any different is beyond me.

Because all games should be like Call of Duty, obviously! We should be fighting SS instead of Darkspawn and using AKs instead of magic. Silly, Asdara, thinking a game should have depth:lol:

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 07 juin 2010 - 07:10 .

[Vicious]

Awakening was a hackyslashy game wearing DAO colors. It had a couple interesting moments and that was it.



I have played several shooter/action RPG games since Awakening that utterly dominated story and character-wise it despite not being RPGs even if I beat them quickly.

[Fishy]

@ Op

You have enlighten me.You're simply the proof that intelligence does exist in this world.Because of you .. This world evolved.Because of you we can now travel into space and use microwave for popcorn..

Amen to that broda..Your name will never be forgotten .

But wait.. IT"S .plagiarism
Because what you have said..i have seen it in about 2 millions other thread.

Modifié par Suprez30, 07 juin 2010 - 08:08 .