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aaniadyen wrote...

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Agreed, to some extent.  I'm not a fan of Funimation either.  But
this project is novel in so many ways and so there will probably be
changes to the modus operandi; that is my hope.  I think losing hope is
premature.  ;)


Again, it depends on which demogrpahic they want to focus on. They're not going to tackle this from an artistic standpoint, not by a long shot. It's EA, it's about the cash and art be damed. All you have to do is look at the butcher job they did to the Divine Comedy to see that. No, EA is going to look at the demographic that'll bring them in the most in return and style it after series/movies that have been most successful. I don't see them being adventrous or risque with this project, everytime EA has it's bitten them and I'm sure they plan on sinking some cash into this project. I don't see any reason to assume we'll see something all that different from what excells in the western market and considering what typically excells. Well, they'll nab the majority and I suppose ultimately that's all that matters.


It worked ok for Dragon Age: Origins.


Point being what? Television and movies are completely different beast then video games. There is a reason why the market isn't flooded with ICarly and American Idol video games and why games based on movies are cheaply made and typically sell poorly.

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SleeplessInSigil wrote...

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To everyone saying "Yeah well, Anime isn't like all the spiky haired emo stuff. Theres good stuff too! Its not all DBZ!" Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. Regardless, look at DBZ. It has damn near every Anime cliche that everyone hates.

pffft you've GOT to be trolling. Enough with the "every" and "everyone" to cover up your failure in pointing out anything better on the American scene beyond costumed mutants fighting for generic hogwash like justice and freedom and all that ambiguous easy-to-write crap.


Dragon Ball is no more representative of all Anime than South Park is for all American cartoons - it simply happens to have all the qualities deemed suitable for American audiences (after getting some risqué stuff edited out.) Make of that what you will. :D


Also, refer to my signature ↓


Regardless, it is what Funimation is known for.

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Behindyounow wrote...

SleeplessInSigil wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

To everyone saying "Yeah well, Anime isn't like all the spiky haired emo stuff. Theres good stuff too! Its not all DBZ!" Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. Regardless, look at DBZ. It has damn near every Anime cliche that everyone hates.

pffft you've GOT to be trolling. Enough with the "every" and "everyone" to cover up your failure in pointing out anything better on the American scene beyond costumed mutants fighting for generic hogwash like justice and freedom and all that ambiguous easy-to-write crap.


Dragon Ball is no more representative of all Anime than South Park is for all American cartoons - it simply happens to have all the qualities deemed suitable for American audiences (after getting some risqué stuff edited out.) Make of that what you will. :D


Also, refer to my signature ↓


Regardless, it is what Funimation is known for.


And how is that bad :huh:.

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Dragonball z has all the stereotypes that make me hate anime.



A lot of people are going "Well not all anime has androgynous idiots with stupid hair". Well DBZ does, and its what Funi is famous for.

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Behindyounow wrote...

Dragonball z has all the stereotypes that make me hate anime.

A lot of people are going "Well not all anime has androgynous idiots with stupid hair". Well DBZ does, and its what Funi is famous for.

So you have not seen Dragon Ball or Z is all I get from this post oh and it is what Toei is famous for and Super Sentai and Kamen Rider and One Piece and Sailor Moon and Fist of the North Star and my god Toei is famous for alot of shows.

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Behindyounow wrote...

SleeplessInSigil wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

To everyone saying "Yeah well, Anime isn't like all the spiky haired emo stuff. Theres good stuff too! Its not all DBZ!" Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. Regardless, look at DBZ. It has damn near every Anime cliche that everyone hates.

pffft you've GOT to be trolling. Enough with the "every" and "everyone" to cover up your failure in pointing out anything better on the American scene beyond costumed mutants fighting for generic hogwash like justice and freedom and all that ambiguous easy-to-write crap.


Dragon Ball is no more representative of all Anime than South Park is for all American cartoons - it simply happens to have all the qualities deemed suitable for American audiences (after getting some risqué stuff edited out.) Make of that what you will. :D


Also, refer to my signature ↓


Regardless, it is what Funimation is known for.

First: no, that's a completely inane and unsupported statement.  Stop spreading stupid lies.  Funimation is known for bringing dubbed anime to American audiences, period. 

Secondly: you first started hating on anime in general, and then when others pointed out that that position was completely untenable and prejudiced, you switched your position to hating on FUNimation. 

Way to move the goal post, pal.  Face it.  This project never had a chance with you.  It doesn't matter who produces it because you were determined to hate it from the start. 

Modifié par traversc, 10 juin 2010 - 06:33 .


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Behindyounow wrote...

Regardless, it is what Funimation is known for.


Uh, that's nice? You seem to have forgotten to include a point in your post. Maybe you want to work on that.

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So who will they make into a cat girl first, Morrigan or Leliana? I'm fully expecting (dreading) an anime style cat girl conversion. They both can be catty, but since Morrigan is the shifter, I bet it will be her. Leliana will likely stay as she is, perky and cute but her hair will be pink...I swear.





Sten fits another anime stereotype as the gruff strongman side-character, usually wielding a weapon twice the size of a man, so he's not too hard to imagine in a generic anime script.





I bet the main character will be young, headstrong, full of banzai spirit!...like most unfortunate stereotypes of anime shows.





Loghain is the perfect typical anime villain too, he's older, charismatic, experienced yet somehow the younger hero overcomes his skill and experience and superior numbers with none other than...banzai spirit!!!





Zevran would fit into a few stereotypes in anime too as the effeminate, gender bending warrior side character who is very skilled at combat and a friend of the youthful headstrong main character with...banzai spirit!





Alistair kind of reminds me of Tenchi, from Tenchi Muyo. He's a normal guy who wants a normal life and hates all the strange things happening around him. So he fits.





I'm pretty sure a Dragon Age anime will replace the mabari wardog with a nug...with wings, that talks in a hyperactive high-pitched voice and somehow posesses magic that will save the day in an irritating deus ex machina type of way.





Oghren...yeah, that will be interesting.



I think this will be goofy but if it's good I'll be pleasantly suprised. And yes, if you haven't realized by now I am musing away in a joke-like fashion. I'm sure people will still take quotes out of context and try to crucify my post when it was just intended for amusement. I'm just glad they aren't going for a live-action film for Dragon Age. Even anime is refreshing to a live-action adaptation. At least Dragon Age won't go the route of the Mass Effect movie!

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Behindyounow wrote...

Dragonball z has all the stereotypes that make me hate anime.

A lot of people are going "Well not all anime has androgynous idiots with stupid hair". Well DBZ does, and its what Funi is famous for.

Now THERE you may have a valid point, except Funimation didn't make DBZ, they just LICENSE it, and it just happens to be one of their more popular licenses.


Still, to be fair, I can relate to where most of the people with concerns about DA being made into an anime are coming from, because just as with any other medium, there IS plenty of clichéd trite crap in here (I've been pro-anime in this thread but I can't stand Dragon Ball or Naruto or stuff like that) and we can only have faith that DA's adaptation will do the franchise justice.

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Oghren...yeah, that will be interesting.

Oghren has plenty of precedents in perverted and physically-powerful creeps that're common in a quite a few anime series. ^_^

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SleeplessInSigil wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Dragonball z has all the stereotypes that make me hate anime.

A lot of people are going "Well not all anime has androgynous idiots with stupid hair". Well DBZ does, and its what Funi is famous for.

Now THERE you may have a valid point, except Funimation didn't make DBZ, they just LICENSE it, and it just happens to be one of their more popular licenses.


Still, to be fair, I can relate to where most of the people with concerns about DA being made into an anime are coming from, because just as with any other medium, there IS plenty of clichéd trite crap in here (I've been pro-anime in this thread but I can't stand Dragon Ball or Naruto or stuff like that) and we can only have faith that DA's adaptation will do the franchise justice.

Well imo Dragon Ball is a better manga or if it has to be the anime it has to be subs and just to say most anime rip it off alot and I don't see how anyone can put it in the same ship as Naruto :sick:.

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SleeplessInSigil wrote...
Oh and by the way, those who're citing Batman: The Animated Series; that show has several elements which're common in anime, if not an undeniable influence from them. Let's not even mention the fact that it still falls under the only other genre (besides comedy) of American cartoons: alien/mutant superheroes with generic motives.


I don't know what you mean by influenced. Big O was more akin to TAS because some episodes were animated by Sunrise if I recall.

You can't tell people to dismiss Batman:TAS just because it falls under the same category of cartoons. You want people to give Haibane Renmei a chance. Then, be fair and tell others to give Western animation a chance, even if doesn't talk about topics like transhumanism. There's more than one way animation offers entertainment, and not everyone has a taste for Ghost in the Shell.

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BTW, I have to affirm that the Western "indie" COMICS scene has some pretty darn kickass stuff (like Battle Chasers and Wake and Bone and so many other under-rated titles) and the Western animations scene would start to own immensely if they did some faithful TV adaptations of those. Sadly, the American market doesn't seem to be very accommodating for those, as evident by the number of cancelled epics like Pirates of Dark Water :crying: or, or...

KORGOTH OF BARBARIA!

Now THAT is IN-YOUR-FACE gritty :D sadly, it never got past a pilot episode. sigh

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Batman TAS is one of the best cartoons of all time and Big O was good for the 13 episodes not the Eva rip off episodes.

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Behindyounow wrote...

To everyone saying "Yeah well, Anime isn't like all the spiky haired emo stuff. Theres good stuff too! Its not all DBZ!" Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. Regardless, look at DBZ. It has damn near every Anime cliche that everyone hates.

And guess who brought it to America? I think the company had Fun in its name? Something like that anyway.

Anime might just be a medium, like you say (I still think its a style, because they all have the stupid eyes). Anime might be good if its done by the right company. Is Funimation that company? I don't bloody think so.


This statement is so ignorant that I feel dumber for having read it.

Dragon Ball Z was one of several shows they got rights to early on and became so successful that it turned them in  to a big company.after several companies went under the acquired their rights and now are responsible for the majority of quality anime being brought to America, one magazine referred to them as having saved the industry.  The point being that they distribute a lot of shows beside dbz, and judging it based on it is like saying you hate all medieval movies because Errol Flynn was campy.  Even if it is their "flagship title" that has no effect what so ever on the content of other shows they have.

And was anybody aside from an occasional side character in dbz androgynous?

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I imagine if it turns out to be something like this it would be pretty cool.
(Dantes Inferno: An Animated Epic)


Maker forbid!!! It has all the crap, overacted, hysteric acting, lack of sublety, flat characters and stiff poses I hate in this kind of animation.

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Leon Evelake wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

To everyone saying "Yeah well, Anime isn't like all the spiky haired emo stuff. Theres good stuff too! Its not all DBZ!" Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. Regardless, look at DBZ. It has damn near every Anime cliche that everyone hates.

And guess who brought it to America? I think the company had Fun in its name? Something like that anyway.

Anime might just be a medium, like you say (I still think its a style, because they all have the stupid eyes). Anime might be good if its done by the right company. Is Funimation that company? I don't bloody think so.


This statement is so ignorant that I feel dumber for having read it.

Dragon Ball Z was one of several shows they got rights to early on and became so successful that it turned them in  to a big company.after several companies went under the acquired their rights and now are responsible for the majority of quality anime being brought to America, one magazine referred to them as having saved the industry.  The point being that they distribute a lot of shows beside dbz, and judging it based on it is like saying you hate all medieval movies because Errol Flynn was campy.  Even if it is their "flagship title" that has no effect what so ever on the content of other shows they have.

And was anybody aside from an occasional side character in dbz androgynous?


I like this post like a lot.At best some side bad guys look a bit like women and the dub made Freeza an old woman:whistle:.

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Maker forbid!!! It has all the crap, overacted, hysteric acting, lack of sublety, flat characters and stiff poses I hate in this kind of animation.

Yeah, that's exactly why no one likes Western animation these days. :lol:

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Some Geth wrote...

Leon Evelake wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

To everyone saying "Yeah well, Anime isn't like all the spiky haired emo stuff. Theres good stuff too! Its not all DBZ!" Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. Regardless, look at DBZ. It has damn near every Anime cliche that everyone hates.

And guess who brought it to America? I think the company had Fun in its name? Something like that anyway.

Anime might just be a medium, like you say (I still think its a style, because they all have the stupid eyes). Anime might be good if its done by the right company. Is Funimation that company? I don't bloody think so.


This statement is so ignorant that I feel dumber for having read it.

Dragon Ball Z was one of several shows they got rights to early on and became so successful that it turned them in  to a big company.after several companies went under the acquired their rights and now are responsible for the majority of quality anime being brought to America, one magazine referred to them as having saved the industry.  The point being that they distribute a lot of shows beside dbz, and judging it based on it is like saying you hate all medieval movies because Errol Flynn was campy.  Even if it is their "flagship title" that has no effect what so ever on the content of other shows they have.

And was anybody aside from an occasional side character in dbz androgynous?


I like this post like a lot.At best some side bad guys look a bit like women and the dub made Freeza an old woman:whistle:.


Thanks

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ROFL Western animation. "Dragon Age Forever," "Grey Man," "ABOMINATION!," "Warden League?" Yeah, no thanks.

Funny how all the haters in this thread still have yet to come up with even ONE (1) good example of "dark/gritty/kickass" from American animation so far, whether in terms of art or storytelling. (の_の)

Go on, get Googling people! because I can guarantee you won't come with anything off the top of your head just like that.


Oh and by the way fellas, THIS is what happened the last time a "Western studio" tried to animate an RPG. :lol:


sorry- i don't have to google what i ALREADY cited in the post i made above. i'll just add to it and give you a link to the lotr animation in question i previously mentioned.

EXHIBIT A:

http://en.wikipedia....ings_(1978_film)

not counting "good times with weapons" by trey parker and matt stone, the last good anime was golgo 13 queen bee.

the only partially competant legitimate storytelling animators these days are the ones that from time to time put out a dc animated MOVIE. hence my suggestion to recruit the creators of the justice league cartoon.

only if the story is done like golgo 13 or ninja scroll with NO japanese cultural additions or social idioms, will this movie be good.

otherwise were looking at another "naruto" or "inu yasha" or something equally cornball.

basically if there isn't enough blood and sex if its done anime style to make the movie rated nc 17, its bieng done wrong, that still doesn't mean its bieng done right, but at least it means we aren't getting cutesy wide eyed kids in an attempt to pawn dragon age off to 13 year old otakus.

EDIT:

and the dungeons and dragons cartoon, while cornball- was an example of typical 80's animation, out to make a buck not create some theatrical masterpiece.

not to mention that that cornball repeating cartoon, DESIGNED FOR KIDS is still better than 90% of the anime out there that is presented in the same format (obviously anything presented in 90 min movie style will be easier to produce a better story since it fits into a more clear-cut movie format).

and don't forget- anime produced the worst peice of trash of all time- the black blade of kamui.

realistically however, western animation and japanese animation have approached storytelling from different angles, with the majority of the target audience of western animation limited by comparison since western society largely regarded animation as "cartoon shorts" or "for kids".

so to cite something that was CLEARLY designed for kids, and displayed in a time slot on saturday morning is misstating the facts just as if i made the claim that all anime is like pokemon (which its not- given some of what ive cited so far even).

but its not RPG one should be looking for, but cartoons and animators of classics like bakshi's lord of the rings adaptations, pirates of dark water, any of bruce timm's adaptations (justice league, superman, batman, etc.), or similar current dc movies, additionally if disney can keep thier "childish" crap out of it, given the early treatment gargoyles was given, if they do it under a studio that is a subsidiary and doesn't carry the disney name (so they can be as violent as they want), then even something connected to the dreaded "mouse" can give this better treatment than a company that produced one of if not the most garbage anime series of all time.

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ultimately i guess i don't really give a crap WHO does it, so long as it meets these requirements:



1- its dark, gritty and directed at adults- maintaining the FEEL of the game (and basic premise bioware was going for).



2- it is reflective of WESTERN society and WESTERN values and WESTERN COMBAT TECHNIQUES (which means even if a western company does it but doesn't include historically accurate leichtenhuar, silver or meyer techniques instead of just "bash the guy with the pointy stick"- i'll be upset).



granted- i can swallow combat cornballness if its based on ferelden- wich is reflective of a western culture not an eastern one-



doing dao in "japanese" style is as stupid as having a live action "ogami itto" movie starring leonardo dicaprio as the baby cart assasin and jayden smith as daigaroo running around elizabethan england.

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Wasn't it Pioneer that first brought DBZ to the US? they did episodes up to like.. near the end of the Freeza saga, then it was picked up by Funimation, hence why the voice actors changed.( I may be wrong though, would have to check later)

Also, Funimation no more created DBZ or Full Metal panic then Universal studios created Jurassic Park they just provide the money to distribute it and pay the people who made it.

Funimation does the same for anime, they foot the bill to hire writers to adapt the script to english, Voice actors to act out said scripts , and directors to tell the Va's wtf they're doing. Noone at Funimation twisted the DBZ animator's arm and said "you MUST make them stare at eachother for 15minutes!" (thats not to say it isn't different from the version that aired in Japan, only to say that funimation will have a similar role in DA's anime, they just put up the money to make it, its up to animation studio they hire to hammer out what the anime will look like.

As I said before, being an anime or western style cartoon doesn't make it inherently good or bad, just animated. Quit worrying about the sky falling, wait till they get some more information or even a preview trailer before you start worrying. ( For one you could worry about which studio is going to make it, which writers and voice actors they will hire.)

I speculate they will get:
Johnny Yong Bosch will play a scared kid, Crispin Freeman will play the older brother that a darkspawn eats in front of his eyes, and Steve Blum will play their Dad that swears to avenge them all, but gets drunk and passes out instead.
For studios, I hope they get the people who made Wolf's Rain or Elfen Lied.
See? we can speculate about things other than the sky falling, try it you may like it.

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Bluto Blutarskyx wrote...

and the dungeons and dragons cartoon, while cornball- was an example of typical 80's animation, out to make a buck not create some theatrical masterpiece.

yeah huh, and yet you choose to pick on anime with similar goals to justify your bigotry with.

not to mention that that cornball repeating cartoon, DESIGNED FOR KIDS is still better than 90% of the anime out there that is presented in the same format (obviously anything presented in 90 min movie style will be easier to produce a better story since it fits into a more clear-cut movie format).

and with that you just lost any credibility your baseless rhetoric might have otherwise had. -_-

Face it, on the whole, Western stuff simply sucks worse than anime, no matter how you spin it.



The fact that there's thousands of websites, blogs and publications all over the world dedicated to covering anime is enough of a testament to the wide diversity of people and genres that medium caters to, whereas there's barely a hundred focusing on Western animation that are not borne out of simple nostalgia, which kind of shows all your cynicism to be little more than vain self-affirmation from raging against popular trends.

No, I'm not using this comparison as an appeal to majority or anything; I'm not saying that the wider coverage alone makes anime superior, just pointing out the fact that there are a LOT of VERY different sub-genres within anime, and if you think that the majority of anime is trash, then you've definitely not seen even half of what's available.


ultimately i guess i don't really give a crap WHO does it, so long as it meets these requirements:

1- its dark, gritty and directed at adults- maintaining the FEEL of the game (and basic premise bioware was going for).

uh.. Yeah, good luck with that:
  • Blonde Beefy Warden (with one fist on hip, other hand thrust out ahead of bulging chest, pointing): YOUR REIGN OF EVIL TERROR IS OVER, ARCHDEMON DRAGON! :police: (got to avoid alienating the Christian demographic)
  • Dragon (with cheesy grin): OH YEAH?? :devil: You and what army?
  • (ensuing roar of fist-pumping peasants in the background) Warden: HOW ABOUT ALL OF FERELDEN?? FOR JUSTICE!!!
  • (cue sound-effect bubbles blotting the screen) *BIFF* *BAM* hah try that one for size! *ZAP* What's the matter; a little too HOT for you? + more cringeworthy one-liners ad-infinitum
  • Dragon (flying away, shaking fist): CURSE CONFOUND YOU, WARDENS! :sick: I'LL GET YOU ANOTHER TIIIMMEEeee~~
  • (no one has actually died, including Darkspawn, not even suffered any visible injuries. Those that were thought dead make brief, reassuring appearances at this time. Everything returns to the status quo ante)
  • Lelianna (stroking her pet Nug, in a psuedo-French accent): No worries, my Snookums will be ready for you! :wub:
  • Everyone (with gaping mouths and shaking bellies):lol: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (fade out to Justin Beiber singing over the credits)
Yeah. That'll enchant em.:wizard:

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I'm having Adam West flashbacks.....



Thanks Sleepless.

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Bluto Blutarskyx wrote...
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Someone translate please...  Seriously. 

I read this twice and I can't even find a semblance of a point.  It basically looks like some 8 year old new*** on /b/ raging on current trends and invoking fake nostalgia in a completely vain attempt to gain street cred. 

I mean, he mispelled "being" twice and breaks five rules of grammar every other sentence.  And he expects to be taken seriously?  I usually don't care at all about grammar, but c'mon...  There has to be more to the post than this.  Can someone please tell me that it's satire?

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Girls are not allowed to read comic books! Superheroes are for boys!



... what?