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[Demx]

I was given my opinion about Navarri in that statement, I was not posting a fact.



It looks like you are more concerned that my original post about the anime community did not include everyone, instead of just the people that can be worrisome.

[MerinTB]

bzombo wrote...
i sure hope it works out, david. i've been hoping an animated movie would come out in the dragon age universe. my only problem is i have yet to see one thing anime that i can stomach watching for more than about 30 seconds.

From the range of options you have in anime -

from Speed Racer and Astro Boy
to Flying Phantom Ship and Fables of Hans Christian Anderson

from Gatchaman and Lupin III
to Space Battleship Yamato and Taro the Dragon Boy

from Kimagure Orange Road and Bubblegum Crisis
to Akira and Grave of the Fireflies

from Oh My Goddess and  Blue Seed
to Ranma 1/2: Big Trouble in Little Nekonron, China and Patlabor 2

from Neon Genesis Evangelion and The Slayers
to Fatal Fury and Princess Mononoke

from Cowboy Bebop and Serial Experiment Lain
to Perfect Blue and The Diary of Anne Frank

from Boogiepop Phantom and .hack
to Howl's Moving Castle and Metropolis

Nothing? Not one thing for more than 30 seconds?

Sure, anime has Sailor Moon and Pokemon, it has Gundam and Gunbuster, and yes it has Legend of the Overfiend...
but it also has Spirited Away.  It has El Hazard.  Trigun.  Elfen Lied.  Ghost in the Shell.

For every girlie anime you can find a horror anime.  For every little kiddie monster-catcher series you can also find a sci-fi opus series.  For every wacky romantic triangle show there's a serious crime drama.

Dismissing all Japanese animation because of (whatever your personal dislike is) "it's all tentacle porn" or "it's all giant robots" or "it's all high school girlie stuff" -
is as myopic as dismissing all American tv shows as being like Survivor or Deal or No Deal, all British TV series as being only Doctor Who and Blake 7, or all American comic books being like Punisher and Vigilante.

/soapbox

[Indoctrination]

Siradix wrote...

I was given my opinion about Navarri in that statement, I was not posting a fact.

Yeah, it became pretty clear a while back that you weren't posting facts. Here are the facts: FUNimation is still very profitable. In fact it has been consistently profitable for Navarre. FUNimation's potential sale has nothing to do with anything other than Navarre wishing to gain an infusion of capital to expand it's software oritented business.

It looks like you are more concerned that my original post about the anime community did not include everyone, instead of just the people that can be worrisome.

What I'm concerned with is the frequency of people in this topic to simply make things up and then become frustrated when someone calls them out on it.

[xCirdanx]

Nice, will definitely watch it when it comes out.

[Demx]

Indoctrination wrote...

Siradix wrote...

I was given my opinion about Navarri in that statement, I was not posting a fact.

Yeah, it became pretty clear a while back that you weren't posting facts. Here are the facts: FUNimation is still very profitable. In fact it has been consistently profitable for Navarre. FUNimation's potential sale has nothing to do with anything other than Navarre wishing to gain an infusion of capital to expand it's software oritented business.

It looks like you are more concerned that my original post about the anime community did not include everyone, instead of just the people that can be worrisome.

What I'm concerned with is the frequency of people in this topic to simply make things up and then become frustrated when someone calls them out on it.

I hope that is not mostly directed at me.

It is a fact that the anime industry is a small niche in America. That you will have to deal with the subgroups I've mentioned. That the anime industry as a whole is not doing so well, that includes Funi, and Navarre is selling Funi.

My opinion did not come in until I stated "To me"

[Indoctrination]

Siradix wrote...

It is a fact that the anime industry is a small niche in America.

So is the market for fantasy RPGs. Your point?

That you will have to deal with the subgroups I've mentioned. That the anime industry as a whole is not doing so well, that includes Funi, and Navarre is selling Funi. My opinion did not come in until I stated "To me"

Let's get this straight. I said Funimation wasn't doing badly. You refutted that by bringing up the fact that Navarre was looking to sell it. I drowned you in facts that you attempted to counter with your opinions. Opinions make a very poor foil for facts, in my experience. Fact: Funimation is still highly profitable. Maybe you consider being highly profitable to be doing poorly, but that is incorrect.

Modifié par Indoctrination, 08 juin 2010 - 09:49 .

[Clover Rider]

MerinTB wrote...

bzombo wrote...
i sure hope it works out, david. i've been hoping an animated movie would come out in the dragon age universe. my only problem is i have yet to see one thing anime that i can stomach watching for more than about 30 seconds.

From the range of options you have in anime -

from Speed Racer and Astro Boy
to Flying Phantom Ship and Fables of Hans Christian Anderson

from Gatchaman and Lupin III
to Space Battleship Yamato and Taro the Dragon Boy

from Kimagure Orange Road and Bubblegum Crisis
to Akira and Grave of the Fireflies

from Oh My Goddess and  Blue Seed
to Ranma 1/2: Big Trouble in Little Nekonron, China and Patlabor 2

from Neon Genesis Evangelion and The Slayers
to Fatal Fury and Princess Mononoke

from Cowboy Bebop and Serial Experiment Lain
to Perfect Blue and The Diary of Anne Frank

from Boogiepop Phantom and .hack
to Howl's Moving Castle and Metropolis

Nothing? Not one thing for more than 30 seconds?

Sure, anime has Sailor Moon and Pokemon, it has Gundam and Gunbuster, and yes it has Legend of the Overfiend...
but it also has Spirited Away.  It has El Hazard.  Trigun.  Elfen Lied.  Ghost in the Shell.

For every girlie anime you can find a horror anime.  For every little kiddie monster-catcher series you can also find a sci-fi opus series.  For every wacky romantic triangle show there's a serious crime drama.

Dismissing all Japanese animation because of (whatever your personal dislike is) "it's all tentacle porn" or "it's all giant robots" or "it's all high school girlie stuff" -
is as myopic as dismissing all American tv shows as being like Survivor or Deal or No Deal, all British TV series as being only Doctor Who and Blake 7, or all American comic books being like Punisher and Vigilante.

/soapbox

I like this post anyway Dragon Age anime movie may suck or it may some how be good and to anyone who thinks anime sucks I hate you and I am some one who likes manga more :innocent:.

Modifié par Some Geth, 08 juin 2010 - 09:50 .

[Demx]

Indoctrination wrote...

Siradix wrote...

It is a fact that the anime industry is a small niche in America.

So is the market for fantasy RPGs. Your point?

That you will have to deal with the subgroups I've mentioned. That the anime industry as a whole is not doing so well, that includes Funi, and Navarre is selling Funi. My opinion did not come in until I stated "To me"

Let's get this straight. I said Funimation wasn't doing badly. You refutted that by bringing up the fact that Navarre was looking to sell it. I drowned you in facts that you attempted to counter with your opinions. Opinions make a very poor foil for facts, in my experience. Fact: Funimation is still highly profitable. Maybe you consider being highly profitable to be doing poorly, but that is in correct.

You said that you could tell that I wasn't stating facts a while back, so I re-listed all the facts I did state. That is my point. As for drowning, please, all you did was state the figures they made in the 4th quarter and that Navarre was focusing on software. If you want me to drown in fact, show me the costs vs profit for the last three years for funi.

[Indoctrination]

Siradix wrote...

You said that you could tell that I wasn't stating facts a while back, so I re-listed all the facts I did state. That is my point. As for drowning, please, all you did was state the figures they made in the 4th quarter and that Navarre was focusing on software.

You listed almsot no facts. It was all mostly misinformation and opinion.

If you want me to drown in fact, show me the costs vs profit for the last three years for funi.

Um, profit is how much money you have AFTER costs. You take the surplus income, subtract the total costs from it, and the remaining income is the profit. After costs, FUNimation made over $18,000,000. Exactly how many tens of millions of dollars do you have to make to be considered not doing bad, exactly?

[Clover Rider]

Yes FUNi will die it is not like they have a ton anime and big names like DBK or One Piece and make money out of them.

[traversc]

MerinTB wrote...
For every girlie anime you can find a horror anime.  For every little kiddie monster-catcher series you can also find a sci-fi opus series.  For every wacky romantic triangle show there's a serious crime drama.

Dismissing all Japanese animation because of (whatever your personal dislike is) "it's all tentacle porn" or "it's all giant robots" or "it's all high school girlie stuff" -
is as myopic as dismissing all American tv shows as being like Survivor or Deal or No Deal, all British TV series as being only Doctor Who and Blake 7, or all American comic books being like Punisher and Vigilante.

/soapbox

100% agree.  As Mr. Gaider said "get over yourselves people!"  More than half the posts in this thread are entirely based on strawmans.  It's as if people don't even read the thread before posting.  Surprise?  Oh wait....

But I'm going to go even further, which you may not agree with.  To use a soft word, ethnocentrism.  If anime were instead based in America, every poster hating on anime would instead be lauding the superior western animation style compared to the east. 

I seriously have no idea how anyone can watch a Miyazaki film and not be in complete awe of the beauty and soul behind it.  How do you then come here and say "OMG anime = tentacle porn!!11" like so many posters have done?  Seriously....  I suppose as it is, close-mindedness never goes out of style. 

Modifié par traversc, 08 juin 2010 - 10:32 .

[Demx]

Almost no fact? So the subgroups I listed do not exist? How about the anime industry doing bad as a whole? Or Navarre is selling funi? Which is not a fact?



You can't tell how well a business is doing by simply showing the profit for one quarter. That's why I wanted to see for the past three years.

[Malkavianqueen]

Gah! I'm excited about this! I hope the art's pretty~ And they use good voice actors. That's the only bit that scares me!

[Indoctrination]

Siradix wrote...

Almost no fact? So the subgroups I listed do not exist? How about the anime industry doing bad as a whole? Or Navarre is selling funi? Which is not a fact?

When the bulk of your argument is attempts to convince me that FUNimation isn't doing well, yeah, that's the kind of accusations you have to put up with. Accusations that your posts are devoid of facts. (Very fair accusations might I add.) When your bad facts couldn't cut it, you switched to opinions (poorly researched opinions).

You can't tell how well a business is doing by simply showing the profit for one quarter. That's why I wanted to see for the past three years.

So basically what you're trying to imply is that you're not sure as to whether or not Funimation made profits before this recession even though it's managing to make profits during the recession. That's a great instinct you're got there, friend.

Anyway, let's see what I can dig up:

http://www.animenews...q1-expectations
anime.suite101.com/article.cfm/funimation_profits_up_478
animatedfilms.suite101.com/article.cfm/anime_sales_save_navarre

I particularly like that last one. I just love that headline: "Anime sales save Navarre. Funimation sales boost parent company's stock prices."

Don't you feel like now it's time to cut your losses and walk away?

[tmp7704]

Siradix wrote...

Almost no fact? So the subgroups I listed do not exist? How about the anime industry doing bad as a whole? Or Navarre is selling funi? Which is not a fact?

You didn't exactly show anything to back up the claim about state of the industry. So that's more of a statement. Same for the sale attempt, and that's leaving aside companies get sold for variety of reasons so it does't exactly tell or prove much in itself.

[taine]

A quick google search will show that there has been a roughly 6% decline in sales in the anime industry in the last year. Considering the US (and the world) is mired in one of the biggest recessions in history, that is not so bad.



Funimation has a roughly 40% market share, so I'd say they are doing alright.

[Sigma Tauri]

traversc wrote...
I seriously have no idea how anyone can watch a Miyazaki film and not be in complete awe of the beauty and soul behind it.  How do you then come here and say "OMG anime = tentacle porn!!11" like so many posters have done?  Seriously....  I suppose as it is, close-mindedness never goes out of style. 

Well, Miyazakis' are a class of their own. It's anime, but it's just above the rest of mediocrity.

Then again, I'm also suggesting you can find gems in all animation, regardless of country of origin.

People, if you're going to use examples of bad, stereotypical Western animation, don't use Batman. The old 90s cartoon happens to be one of the best examples of Western animation.

[Clover Rider]

monkeycamoran wrote...

traversc wrote...
I seriously have no idea how anyone can watch a Miyazaki film and not be in complete awe of the beauty and soul behind it.  How do you then come here and say "OMG anime = tentacle porn!!11" like so many posters have done?  Seriously....  I suppose as it is, close-mindedness never goes out of style. 

Well, Miyazakis' are a class of their own. It's anime, but it's just above the rest of mediocrity.

Then again, I'm also suggesting you can find gems in all animation, regardless of country of origin.

People, if you're going to use examples of bad, stereotypical Western animation, don't use Batman. The old 90s cartoon happens to be one of the best examples of Western animation.

Well animation is the best thing to come out of humans so I am good with any country's cartoons .

[Sigma Tauri]

Some Geth wrote...
Well animation is the best thing to come out of humans so I am good with any country's cartoons .

My sentiments exactly.

[traversc]

monkeycamoran wrote...

traversc wrote...
I seriously have no idea how anyone can watch a Miyazaki film and not be in complete awe of the beauty and soul behind it.  How do you then come here and say "OMG anime = tentacle porn!!11" like so many posters have done?  Seriously....  I suppose as it is, close-mindedness never goes out of style. 

Well, Miyazakis' are a class of their own. It's anime, but it's just above the rest of mediocrity.

Then again, I'm also suggesting you can find gems in all animation, regardless of country of origin.

You are right, there are gems/diamonds in the rough in every media format, but what I and other people are trying to say, is that there are a lot of gems, both in terms of stunning visuals and for depth of story and character that rival Bioware.  Anime is a very rich format. 

In my humble opinion, anime encompasses the spiritual sucessors to a variety of very western concepts.  For example, the cutesy drawings of Walt Disney - actually, all anime is based on Disney to some degree, and anime certainly has a lot of cutesy.  But it can also be dark and brooding, in the style of DC and Marvel.  Western comics are out of fashion nowadays, but a lot of its essence is preserved in manga/anime. 

[Clover Rider]

traversc wrote...

monkeycamoran wrote...

traversc wrote...
I seriously have no idea how anyone can watch a Miyazaki film and not be in complete awe of the beauty and soul behind it.  How do you then come here and say "OMG anime = tentacle porn!!11" like so many posters have done?  Seriously....  I suppose as it is, close-mindedness never goes out of style. 

Well, Miyazakis' are a class of their own. It's anime, but it's just above the rest of mediocrity.

Then again, I'm also suggesting you can find gems in all animation, regardless of country of origin.

You are right, there are gems/diamonds in the rough in every media format, but what I and other people are trying to say, is that there are a lot of gems, both in terms of stunning visuals and for depth of story and character that rival Bioware.  Anime is a very rich format. 

In my humble opinion, anime encompasses the spiritual sucessors to a variety of very western concepts.  For example, the cutesy drawings of Walt Disney - actually, all anime is based on Disney to some degree, and anime certainly has a lot of cutesy.  But it can also be dark and brooding, in the style of DC and Marvel.  Western comics are out of fashion nowadays, but a lot of its essence is preserved in manga/anime. 

Well Osamu Tezuka(RIP)was a big fan of Disney and thanks to that we have this  and thanks to that we have anime of today .

Modifié par Some Geth, 09 juin 2010 - 12:32 .

[Leon Evelake]

Indoctrination wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Oh God. Anime?! Is this going to turn out to be garbage and completely mess up facts that have been established like what happened with Halo: Legends?

Halo Legends sucked because anime about space marines is a bad idea. This is about swords and magic, which is where anime does well.

You guys should all watch Sword of the Stranger if you want to see a really well done anime movie.

Holy crap that would be awesome.  But sword of the stranger was top quality


Edit:
after having read many posts on this thread I am shocked by how many of the posters are judging anime by stereotypes.

anime covers a massive amount of subject matter, themes and story types the big eye squeaky voice stuff is a portion of a much greater whole.  There are shows about cooking, sports, fantasy, gardening, scifi, religion pretty much anything saying you dislike anime as a whole is like saying you hate all videogames because of the style of Mario.  Furthermore there are many with completely down to earth visual style, action and acting look at Monster, Moribito, Jin Roh, Samurai x trust and betrayal,  or as suggested above sword of the stranger then tell me that an anime company can't do a good adaptation dragon age.

Modifié par Leon Evelake, 09 juin 2010 - 01:45 .

[Zabaniya]

Leon Evelake wrote...

Indoctrination wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Oh God. Anime?! Is this going to turn out to be garbage and completely mess up facts that have been established like what happened with Halo: Legends?

Halo Legends sucked because anime about space marines is a bad idea. This is about swords and magic, which is where anime does well.

You guys should all watch Sword of the Stranger if you want to see a really well done anime movie.

Holy crap that would be awesome.  But sword of the stranger was top quality


Edit:
after having read many posts on this thread I am shocked by how many of the posters are judging anime by stereotypes.

anime covers a massive amount of subject matter, themes and story types the big eye squeaky voice stuff is a portion of a much greater whole.  There are shows about cooking, sports, fantasy, gardening, scifi, religion pretty much anything saying you dislike anime as a whole is like saying you hate all videogames because of the style of Mario.  Furthermore there are many with completely down to earth visual style, action and acting look at Monster, Moribito, Jin Roh, Samurai x trust and betrayal,  or as suggested above sword of the stranger then tell me that an anime company can't do a good adaptation dragon age.

Oh I didn't notice his post.  And it so happens that I posted a video of one of the fight scenes (of sword of the stranger) on like page 3 or 4 showing that it's not all "androgynous douchebags" like someone said.  It would've been pretty cool to see Bones animate DA, seeing as how their fight sequences are really well done and the animation is pretty high.

Modifié par Zabaniya, 09 juin 2010 - 02:02 .

[Wedger]

It's Funimation - right?



Maybe we'll get Ferelden High School Host Club

or Darker than Dragon Age

[Arttis]

darker than dragon age sounds like it could be good.