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[YohkoOhno]

I don't see why people are so upset.

Here's a panel from the Bioware blog, as presented in this entry.

http://blog.bioware....velation-comic/





This does a good job.  That tells me Anime will be a good fit.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 11 juin 2010 - 01:21 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

So glad so many other people had the same horrified reaction as me haha



We're content with the machina series, lets not ruin the beautiful world you've created with crap interpretations and nonsensical animation

[Sibuya Sempai]

 A few points after skimming through posts on this thread:

• Anime is short for "animation". This could be hand-drawn, CG, stop-motion, or a combination of each or another type.  Because of this, the medium can encompass a great range of presentation styles, language, and explicit content. Usually, the story and intended audience dictate what art style, score, story, and language will be used. There is no specific restraint that anime absolutely must be a single style of art, music, or voice acting, nor that the content be unable to explore expressions from kawaii (cute) to kowaii (frightening). Both Warden's Fall, and Sacred Ashes qualify under this, and as with just about anything, there were people who enjoyed the titles, and others who despise them.
• The stereotypes and clichés referred to by many who are "horrified" by the suggestion are typically applied to the specific genre of anime known as cartoons. Cartoons are by definition more comical, and connoted to be aimed towards children, often grade school aged. Dragon Age, like her sister property Mass Effect, is intended from the start to be aimed at a more mature audience, and therefore should not contain such over-the-top expressions or suggestions (e.g. "Sten strikes down meteors with his twenty foot long Asala greatsword.", "giant sweat drop on forehead", "spiky hair", "scream for power").
• Eastern companies in Japan, and Korea have been producing various forms of anime for decades. This means they have experience in producing the product, it does not mean that they are unable or unwilling to produce something that will appeal to more Western than "local" tastes.
• IF an Eastern-styled anime were produced for Dragon Age, something akin to Revelations as re-posted by YohkoOhno would not be absolutely horrific. What does draw concern however is that the plot should remain Mature, and appropriate to what can be recognized as Dragon Age. Not having the original writers on board for this project breeds apprehension that this will be nothing more than a half-hearted pocket-universe cash-grab, at least until the final product is released for review; a fear which I hope is completely unfounded.

• I am an anime fan. I am not a FUNimation fan; not from what I've recognized as their work at least.
• I want to see the anime before passing final judgement on it.
• There's nothing saying that FUNimation can't or won't outsource animation to studios abroad, to be finished in North America, nor that the product they ask for will not be distinctly aimed towards a mature Western audience. (Note: I have not seen FUNimation's corporate holdings. Saying that FUNimation will animate the project, does not mean that they do not own an animation studio abroad, nor that that will not be the studio assigned to the project.)
• In my experience, the focus on face color and large eyes in Eastern styled manga and anime is typically to focus on the emotion and thoughts of the characters, emphasizing the whatever actions they take. By contrast, Western animation brings the action to the forefront, using thought and emotion as an accent instead. Due to this, caricaturization (more typical in cartoons than animation intended for mature audiences) enlarges the eyes in Eastern styles, and the mouth, hands, and feet in Western styles. That being said, no caricatures would fit best with Dragon Age. Motivation seems to have equal weight to action in this series, and the characters should reflect this ideal.
• As intriguing as the idea of a Dragon Age anime sounds, I think I'd rather see some high quality live action movie.
• It is feasible that the reason they're approaching both projects (live and anime) is to test out what medium is more appropriately expressive of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age universes, and that whichever is received better both in audience response and profits, will mark the path for future films.

Well.. that's my two pennies worth for today, at least. 

[Rovay]

As long as the overall dark atmosphere is present, I think it might turn into something good... For now I want to know if they'll use an existing storyline or write a new one.

[Ascending-Gambit]

Please, PLEASE dont let it end up like every anime out there were they break fight scenes every 10 seconds for 10 minites of diolauge. Thats just dumb.

I expect this to be horribly dramatic as well if it is anime.

Modifié par Ascending-Gambit, 12 juin 2010 - 03:43 .

[Argoyne]

I can't say I really care one way or the other I do hope whoever is involved gets to realise their vision for it but I've never understood the desire to see movies of games or books that I like.



Personally my one feeling is the further away, in terms of the time frame and location, from the games the better. That goes for ME as well as DA

[Feraele]

AceTrilby101 wrote...

Aehuir wrote...

Great. Anime. I can't wait to see the Pumpkinhead Commander of the Grey Wardens telling Alistair how kawaii he is. I bet he's going to have those angry water lines or whatever coming out of his eyes all the time.

That's an astounding generalisation, isn't it? that's really the sorta kiddy/teen demographic as far as I can tell.
I mean, look at Spirited Away for an excellent and surprisingly mature anime. Not that I'm saying that FUNimation (dubbers of Dragonball Z) can recreate that, but they had a section in Halo Legends, which proved that the artform can be taken seriously (though their part was comedy if I remember correctly).

Now, not being an anime hand - though I have been known to dabble in the aforementioned films and serials, I can't really say what is the best and what is not. However, here is an interesting video which I think shows that Dragon Age almost seems... suited, in a way, to a mildly cartoony style: . Or perhaps more canonical, look up Penny Arcade's two comic series for Origins and Awakening to see the cartoony style done with respect.

Okay watched your Youtube example,  and...still don't like anime.   I prefer the current art style...am open to tweaks etc ..but that example?     I wouldn't pay money for it, nope..

But I didn't grow up with anime,   I don't watch Homer Simpson, I don't watch South Park or any of the other cartoony efforts available out there.   

Nice for anime fans,   I hope they get what they wish for.   Not my cup of tea...

[Feraele]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

So glad so many other people had the same horrified reaction as me haha

We're content with the machina series, lets not ruin the beautiful world you've created with crap interpretations and nonsensical animation

Yes the Machinma series DEFINITELY is a better fit.   But hey who are we, we're just the the fans that have been playing Dragon Age since November 3, 2009.   

I dunno.  I guess I envisioned something better.    Oh well.

[Feraele]

Rykn wrote...

I'm shocked really. Why the hell are people quoting anime stereotypes?! There are plenty of anime that operate outside of them. Darker than black is an anime that while not the best is VERY good and keeps a mature atmosphere. Hey ya know what? I have yet to see a single one of those ear grinding ball biting stereotypes in it. Dragon age is Mature and bloody from the start leaves no room for any anime stereotypes. Any effort to put some in and dragon age would rape it from the start. It is going to be dark gritty and depending on the story: entertaining as hell and you will ALL be pleasently suprised. At least you will be if David Gaider gets intergrated into this project......... He is right?

He has stated something along the lines of "he will be consulted by them on the lore, but he's not writing it".

[Feraele]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 Why isn't Chris updating us on DA anymore?

Think he went on vacation or something.

[m4rcu583]

Is there any solution to the shale problem?

[Lintanis]

Feraele wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 Why isn't Chris updating us on DA anymore?

Think he went on vacation or something.

He might be busy writing some thing 

[J-Reyno]

I'm a big anime fan.  So I'm somewhat interested to see what they make of this.  There are many different styles, and there are some I can think of that I hope this film will avoid like the blight.  I like the 'realism' of DA, in a sense, so hopefully that won't be lost.  Gah I wish that everyone in the world would donate to Bioware so they could create a movie with actual actors, or have a CGI film like Sacred Ashes.  I would get off on that.  Hard.  

Either way, good luck, look forward to seeing how this turns out.

[Celies]

I really look forward to this and hope it is done well. Can't understand why so many have decided to hate it from the start just because it's anime. Don't think that all anime is like popular stuff that's on TV in the states, a lot of the better ones never make it out of Japan because they aren't kid-friendly enough. I hate horror-games but still found Dead Space to be a really great game, same deal.

[Servius the bear]

Now this defo looks interesting to me

[YohkoOhno]

The stereotypes and clichés referred to by many who are "horrified" by the suggestion are typically applied to the specific genre of anime known as cartoons. Cartoons are by definition more comical, and connoted to be aimed towards children, often grade school aged. Dragon Age, like her sister property Mass Effect, is intended from the start to be aimed at a more mature audience, and therefore should not contain such over-the-top expressions or suggestions (e.g. "Sten strikes down meteors with his twenty foot long Asala greatsword.", "giant sweat drop on forehead", "spiky hair", "scream for power").

You are oversimplifying things here.  Cartoons are not just for comic purposes, they are an abstraction of things and not just aimed at children.  The "sweat drop" for instance in the East is similar to a question mark appearing over a head in a thought balloon in the west.  Sequential Art has always benefited from this abstraction.  I suggest looking into reading books like Understanding Comics and Making Comics from Scott McCloud.

And why so concerned about being "dark".  This game had a lot of humor, some of it somewhat juvenile and silly.  It wasn't overly whimsical but having it a total gloomfest wouldn't work.  I could see standard style anime with abstractions working.  It doesn't have to be "Deathnote" level of seriousness, you can have the whimsy of say Bleach or Full Metal Alchemist, that would fit Dragon Age fine.

As intriguing as the idea of a Dragon Age anime sounds, I think I'd rather see some high quality live action movie.

I doubt they'd have enough for anything more than a B-class movie.  I'd hate to see something that would end up on the SyFy channel.

[FreemanPhD]

This is not meant to be offensive in any way.

Okay, see, here's the problem. I like anime, but when I saw this announcement, I got very nervous. I'm fine with this if, and ONLY if, the Dragon Age writers are writing for it, or at least heavily revising the scripts. This has potential to be something very good, but if a third party is allowed to affect the storytelling to appeal to outside audiences (in this case, a Japanese audience), then we're in trouble. Japanese storytelling GREATLY differs from American storytelling, and I fear we'll be getting a bit of that here. And it's not so much just the stories as in the way the stories are told.

And even then, just look at the Devil May Cry anime, both the game and the anime were made for a Japanese audience, but the way the anime was executed was entirely different than how the game was executed. Every character, including Dante, was given an archetypical anime personality, resulting in an anime you'd see based off of any Shonen manga.

So I ask, with a gigantic "please", if any Bioware staff would be willing to divulge how this project is being made, it would greatly put this subject to rest. Though, depending on the response, the reaction could be more negative or more positive haha.

Again, this is not meant to be offensive and I apologize if anyone is offended by the way I expressed my concern.

Modifié par FreemanPhD, 15 juin 2010 - 12:20 .

[FreemanPhD]

Seriously, not all anime is about big swords and spiky hair. You should probably be more worried about a milquetoast protagonist. Seems to be all the rage nowadays.

Then again, it may be interesting if this was a more Animatrix take, with separate stories just showing the history of Thedas as a whole.

Modifié par FreemanPhD, 15 juin 2010 - 12:51 .

[Summerwine41]

I think it’s a wonderful idea, and I think the world of DA will work great in anime. There’s a brilliant anime series called Claymore which is very similar in setting (Dark fantasy, mysterious organisation fighting hordes of blood hungry monsters) so it can work if done right.

[Sibuya Sempai]

YohkoOhno wrote...

The stereotypes and clichés referred to by many who are "horrified" by the suggestion are typically applied to the specific genre of anime known as cartoons. Cartoons are by definition more comical, and connoted to be aimed towards children, often grade school aged. Dragon Age, like her sister property Mass Effect, is intended from the start to be aimed at a more mature audience, and therefore should not contain such over-the-top expressions or suggestions (e.g. "Sten strikes down meteors with his twenty foot long Asala greatsword.", "giant sweat drop on forehead", "spiky hair", "scream for power").

You are oversimplifying things here.  Cartoons are not just for comic purposes, they are an abstraction of things and not just aimed at children.  The "sweat drop" for instance in the East is similar to a question mark appearing over a head in a thought balloon in the west.  Sequential Art has always benefited from this abstraction.  I suggest looking into reading books like Understanding Comics and Making Comics from Scott McCloud.

And why so concerned about being "dark".  This game had a lot of humor, some of it somewhat juvenile and silly.  It wasn't overly whimsical but having it a total gloomfest wouldn't work.  I could see standard style anime with abstractions working.  It doesn't have to be "Deathnote" level of seriousness, you can have the whimsy of say Bleach or Full Metal Alchemist, that would fit Dragon Age fine.

As intriguing as the idea of a Dragon Age anime sounds, I think I'd rather see some high quality live action movie.

I doubt they'd have enough for anything more than a B-class movie.  I'd hate to see something that would end up on the SyFy channel.

Good points, but as for simplification, the argument (in general) is against those who would turn away from a Dragon Age feature simply because of the label "anime" being attached. Cartoons are not on the whole for children, nor are they on the whole comical, however that is the generally connoted  perception of these productions. "For kids" is not part of the definition, yet it is a relatively common perception. Yes Dragon Age has some distinctly humorous moments, but the humor is not entirely juvenile either. Abstraction is useful, but the specific style of expression abstraction exemplified by the giant sweat drop is neither common nor desired across all anime/manga. The issue at hand is to find something that is appropriate to the story setting. e.g. something for kids may have eyes that bulge out of the head, for teens this is reduced to an exclamation point over the head, for older teens reduced to a giant sweat drop at the side of the head, and for adults reduced to a close up of the eyes with a drop of sweat sliding down the side of the head. While the four images can portray the same emotional content, the last is more fit to what is expected of Dragon Age than the first. The separations need not be according to the age of the intended audience however. 

What I was trying to get across is that if we look at something anime, it need not mean a specific style of art, humor, music, etc which may not fit what is currently associated with the world that has been established so far. Nor, would any of this mean by definition that it's anything more than a wasted effort, especially for established fans. I would assume you want a quality product, same as I would. There have been many people already damning the project simply for having the anime label on this however, without anything yet to actually view nor knowing anything but the listed stereotypes which they personally found unappealing.

Furthermore, as to the definition of the cartoon being primarily comical, see the linked citation in the previous post. Specifically, see definition number four.

As to the gloomy environment, i doubt many fans want an absolute gloomfest. The humor in Dragon Age is just as much a character of this world as its seriousness. However, many people prefer the sense of hyperrealism engendered by the existing productions. A change in the art style to something more typically Eastern style (e.g. larger, more expressive eyes) is for some enough of a detraction to break their sense of hyperrealism.

A B-class movie would be... disappointing. If we're looking at TV level production, then the question becomes whether or not they would be willing and able to dedicate resources to a serial project on par (or better than) something like Stargate Universe, or Legend of the Seeker (as randomly selected examples).
Part of the reason I would like to see a live action production of this is simply curiosity. Each medium brings a different element to the story it tells, including the variations in practical visual effects. Things such as "persistent gore" within the game, seem a bit static and may be expressed more dynamically in live action than in anime (e.g. blood smears instead of only spatter, darkspawn blood viscosity). Not everyone will be looking for such details, nor would every production company be willing to create such visuals, but if it can be done in such a way that adds to a scene seamlessly, and adds to the story (e.g. above darkspawn blood viscosity describing visually how far from human/elf/dwarf the darkspawn are, corrupted within as much as without) then wouldn't it be something worth seeing? All of this of course is as much a question of quality control as it is medium. I would like to see what comes out regardless of chosen medium.

[Sibuya Sempai]

FreemanPhD wrote...

Seems to be all the rage nowadays.

"All the rage nowadays" seems to be the bigger worry, actually. Anything that chooses content solely based on fads rather than on telling the story well seems more "hands-in-your-pocket" than anything else. It shouldn't matter if that fad is a milquetoast hero, McNuglets or a peanut-butter genlock in chocolate armor.
Make something worth viewers cash, and there'll be no need for merely milking fads, I think. 

[Northern Sun]

I hope it does well, but I really hope that the 2.11.2011 card isn't referring to this thing's release date.

[lazuli]

Northern Sun wrote...

I hope it does well, but I really hope that the 2.11.2011 card isn't referring to this thing's release date.

Would it be so bad if it were referring to the anime film?  2/11/2011 is a little soon for a fully fledged, polished, and worthy sequel to Dragon Age.