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[KalosCast]

bobobo878 wrote...

Maybe they'll cannibalize one of their own and use it's parts to build a mass relay.

Surfing thorugh a warp gate via the bones of your dead comrade in order to kick the ass of someone who's thwarted your plans for years now is possibly the most metal thing in the universe.

[MerrickShep]

Slidell505 wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

dark energy
just... dark energy

Dark energy just tears the univers apart. It pulls dark matter condences. In theory, at least. But the ME univers has no problem taking a dumb on science. FTL is proof of that.

ME is like 200 years ahead of today, I'm sure there is a way.

The Reapers are the most advanced beings in the Galaxy... I believe they will  get there as fast as possible. If they constructed the Relays they probably made some hidden ones maybe at some planets core on the edge of the galaxy.

[Wildecker]

If they drop on an unaware galaxy ready for battle and with the benefit of surprise, they'll have it a lot more easy than by arriving at the galactic rim after years (or decades, even ...) of running under their own power, with fuel reserves running low and a good lot of parts yearning for maintenance. And no on-board service crew to do that maintenance, so they'll have to indoctrinate a small planet first to recruit.

[MerrickShep]

I think people need to listen to Sovereign again and dissect his words maybe there is an answer hidden in there.

[Prol3]

If I remember correctly aren't all relays connected to at least two other relays, and if that's so, when Sovereign intended to open the relay in the Citadel there had to have been one out in dark space by where the Reapers were waiting. I doubt Sovereign just cruised his way back into the galaxy so I'm assuming he used the relay out in dark space to travel to another one already in the galaxy. Maybe it's the one that is connected to the Omega 4 relay, the one at the center of the galaxy.

[Mister Mida]

Prol3 wrote...

If I remember correctly aren't all relays connected to at least two other relays, and if that's so, when Sovereign intended to open the relay in the Citadel there had to have been one out in dark space by where the Reapers were waiting. I doubt Sovereign just cruised his way back into the galaxy so I'm assuming he used the relay out in dark space to travel to another one already in the galaxy. Maybe it's the one that is connected to the Omega 4 relay, the one at the center of the galaxy.

Sovereign stayed behind after the Reapers killed off the Protheans. He never had to re-enter the Milky Way.

[Prol3]

Mister Mida wrote...

Prol3 wrote...

If I remember correctly aren't all relays connected to at least two other relays, and if that's so, when Sovereign intended to open the relay in the Citadel there had to have been one out in dark space by where the Reapers were waiting. I doubt Sovereign just cruised his way back into the galaxy so I'm assuming he used the relay out in dark space to travel to another one already in the galaxy. Maybe it's the one that is connected to the Omega 4 relay, the one at the center of the galaxy.

Sovereign stayed behind after the Reapers killed off the Protheans. He never had to re-enter the Milky Way.

Well even though Sovereign did stay in the galaxy he still needed the relay within the Citadel which means there has to be another relay out in dark space. Maybe I missed something else but that still means there is a relay out there that may be connected to somewhere else within the galaxy.

[adam_grif]

Jackal904 wrote...

Bluko wrote...

Soverign 666 wrote...

Ok so ive been wondering this for awhile the whole point of mass effect was that the reapers were trapped in dark space until the citadel is activated but at the end of mass effect 2 they just start flying to the galaxy shouldn't it take them thousands of years to reach us that way? And if not why did soverign bother with the citadel in the first place?

I thought this was the case, but given current FTL ship speeds (12 Lightyears per Day), it should only take the Reapers a few months to get to the Galaxy from Darkspace.

Even without the Relays it only takes roughly 22 years for a ship to traverse the entire diameter of the Galaxy. That's assuming they don't have to refuel or anything. Which the Reapers probably don't have to due to their powerful element zero cores.

Seriously? That's how fast FTL travel is in Mass Effect? Damn... Alright then I guess the reapers will be knocking on the milky way's doorstep in no time.

His figure of "a few months" has been completely pulled out of thin air. The Galaxy is 100,000 ly across, 12 ly/day yields the 22.8 years figure for crossing the galaxy. The distance between galaxies is FAR bigger than the size of galaxies themselves, but we have no idea how far out they are.

We did some preliminary calcs based on estimated angles in the final shots (where you see the galaxy), and based on arbitrarily decided FTL speeds (faster than the conventional 12 / day, since they have bigger cores), we estimated between 2 and 3 years to get to the MW.

Finally, "That fast" is extremely slow by the standards of much SciFi. The BattleStar Galactica can instantaenously hop lightyears, you can cross the SW galaxy overnight by ship, and in when it has access to a ZPM, the BC-304 class ships in Stargate can reach the Pegasis Irregular Dwarf galaxy in THREE DAYS. 2 weeks normally! That's insanely fast!

[Fiery Phoenix]

When is it ever mentioned that the average FTL speed is 12 ly/day? Looks like I'm gonna have to edit my fan fiction if that's really the case; I always assumed it was much faster.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 08 juin 2010 - 11:20 .

[Chuvvy]

MerrickShep wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

dark energy
just... dark energy

Dark energy just tears the univers apart. It pulls dark matter condences. In theory, at least. But the ME univers has no problem taking a dumb on science. FTL is proof of that.

ME is like 200 years ahead of today, I'm sure there is a way.

The Reapers are the most advanced beings in the Galaxy... I believe they will  get there as fast as possible. If they constructed the Relays they probably made some hidden ones maybe at some planets core on the edge of the galaxy.

There isn't time slows down significantly for anything traveling near light speed. Making it impossible to even hit light speed. And that's been proven in Hadron Collider.

[Onyx Jaguar]

They are gonna open up a rift in Quasi-space and warp into the center of the galaxy near Zoq-Fot-Pik space while completely ignoring the Arilou.

[Annihilator27]

KalosCast wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Maybe they'll cannibalize one of their own and use it's parts to build a mass relay.

Surfing thorugh a warp gate via the bones of your dead comrade in order to kick the ass of someone who's thwarted your plans for years now is possibly the most metal thing in the universe.

Lmao, They'll do it when they get RIGHT next to the galaxy. They were far out, But looks like they'll get here in no time. Pick up that speed reaper fleet!!

[Onyx Jaguar]

annihilator27 wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Maybe they'll cannibalize one of their own and use it's parts to build a mass relay.

Surfing thorugh a warp gate via the bones of your dead comrade in order to kick the ass of someone who's thwarted your plans for years now is possibly the most metal thing in the universe.

Lmao, They'll do it when they get RIGHT next to the galaxy. They were far out, But looks like they'll get here in no time. Pick up that speed reaper fleet!!

This series of comments is win

[NihlusFTW]

Taxi Cabs. In Space. Fact.

[Madman123456]

Well, it was never explained when the final Reaper awakening cutscene was taking place. Maybe we see what happened when Souvereigns signal was due to arrive; which could have been two thousand years (or even more) ago when it "soured the Songs" of the Rachni. The Reapers where like Hey, wasn't sovi supposed to call about now? Look at the Time, it's already 67899 a.m. (the 67899th part of the first half of one Revolution of the entire Universe. Duh! ;D)!" And then they went to have a look.

And now it's 2000 Years later.



Also, we don't know their mode of transportation; of course, FTL travel would take a lot of time. Even if the Cutscene is from 2000 years back and even if the Reapers have a ridiculously powerful FTL drive it would take quite a lot of time. And i mean a lot. Our Galaxy is 100000 Lightyears across. See the Reaperfleet and how relatively small our Galaxy appears and go figure

Maybe they have some alternative Mass relay around or maybe they have a Device that can create a oneway "Mass free" Tunnel or whatever.

[NihlusFTW]

Madman123456 wrote...

Well, it was never explained when the final Reaper awakening cutscene was taking place. Maybe we see what happened when Souvereigns signal was due to arrive; which could have been two thousand years (or even more) ago when it "soured the Songs" of the Rachni. The Reapers where like Hey, wasn't sovi supposed to call about now? Look at the Time, it's already 67899 a.m. (the 67899th part of the first half of one Revolution of the entire Universe. Duh! ;D)!" And then they went to have a look.
And now it's 2000 Years later.

Also, we don't know their mode of transportation; of course, FTL travel would take a lot of time. Even if the Cutscene is from 2000 years back and even if the Reapers have a ridiculously powerful FTL drive it would take quite a lot of time. And i mean a lot. Our Galaxy is 100000 Lightyears across. See the Reaperfleet and how relatively small our Galaxy appears and go figure
Maybe they have some alternative Mass relay around or maybe they have a Device that can create a oneway "Mass free" Tunnel or whatever.

This is a very good explanation. But still, Taxi Cabs. In Space.

[Panda Warlock]

You are all not thinking with portals.

[Bluko]

adam_grif wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Seriously? That's how fast FTL travel is in Mass Effect? Damn... Alright then I guess the reapers will be knocking on the milky way's doorstep in no time.

We did some preliminary calcs based on estimated angles in the final shots (where you see the galaxy), and based on arbitrarily decided FTL speeds (faster than the conventional 12 / day, since they have bigger cores), we estimated between 2 and 3 years to get to the MW.

2-3 years? Are you saying the Reapers are stationed in the Andromeda Galaxy or something now?

I'm sure the Reapers are capable of traveling faster then 12 ly/day. So if anything that means they should reach the Galaxy sooner, not later. I doubt the Reapers are sitting hundreds of thousands of lightyears away from the Galaxy though.

I'm not saying 2-3 years wouldn't make sense, since the Reapers were building a Human Reaper as some scheme to open the Citadel again I'd venture. I'd imagine building a new Reaper would be faster then traveling by their FTL speeds. Or maybe they just like Humans? We can't say for certain anyways as Harbinger mocks us at the end of ME2 saying we've changed nothing.

However I believe the Devs stated that Mass Effect 3 is set to take place almost right after Mass Effect 2. Having the Reapers take 2-3 years to just reach the Milky Way would be kind of plot fail. I mean if we've got that much time to spare, Mass Effect 3 might as well be Shepard's Galactic Vacation. Having the imminent threat of the Reapers reaching us in a few months makes it so Shepard is literally racing against the Reapers to find a way to stop them and/or assemble of fleet.

Also just my opinion, but the Reapers didn't look like they were extremely far away as they had a fairly large view of the Galaxy. At best I'd say they were out 50,000 lightyears if that. Look I'm not an Astronomy Major or Physics Major so I'm not going to try and analyze a breif 10 second movie clip showing the Reaper Fleet to predict their distance from the nearest star. Besides I doubt the Artists making it were trying to be scientifically accurate anyways. So trying to base anything off of that could be huge waste of time. Heck that clip only shows some 300 Reapers, and most people would assume there's way more then 300 Reapers.

That is why I stand by my claim of it taking the Reapers several months, maybe even a year to reach the first Mass Relay. But it would be silly to to have the plot of Mass Effect 3 span anything more then just a few months. Otherwise the most sensible option is to have the Reapers take hundreds of years to reach us, by which point Shepard will be dead, but there will be a united Galaxy lead by Shepard's protege (Grunt/Legion/Liara). Although that would be somewhat odd since Mass Effect is suppose to be Shepard's story.

[Bluko]

Madman123456 wrote...

Well, it was never explained when the final Reaper awakening cutscene was taking place. Maybe we see what happened when Souvereigns signal was due to arrive; which could have been two thousand years (or even more) ago when it "soured the Songs" of the Rachni. The Reapers where like Hey, wasn't sovi supposed to call about now? Look at the Time, it's already 67899 a.m. (the 67899th part of the first half of one Revolution of the entire Universe. Duh! ;D)!" And then they went to have a look.
And now it's 2000 Years later.

True we don't know when the cutscene of Reapers waking up takes place. Although I think it's safe to assume the main Reaper shown was Harbinger deciding to move out after the Collector thing failed.

Considering that Harbinger was able to control the Collectors in real time from thousands of lightyears away  I'd say it's safe to assume Reapers can communicate with each other near instantaneously. So that cutscene probably takes place right as the game ends.

[huntrrz]

Bluko wrote...

I thought this was the case, but given current FTL ship speeds (12 Lightyears per Day), it should only take the Reapers a few months to get to the Galaxy from Darkspace.

Even without the Relays it only takes roughly 22 years for a ship to traverse the entire diameter of the Galaxy. That's assuming they don't have to refuel or anything. Which the Reapers probably don't have to due to their powerful element zero cores.

But they still build up a charge on their drive cores.  I expect they can hold a much larger charge on their huge cores and have capacitors to draw off some of the excess if they reach capacity on the cores.

But, they still have operational limits and flying in from dark space might strain them.  They might have to discharge before they do much travel once they've reach the Milky Way, and that is a vulnerability they would try to avoid even if it is only a small one.

[Onyx Jaguar]

This will be a Plot HOLE

[huntrrz]

Bluko wrote...

I'm sure the Reapers are capable of traveling faster then 12 ly/day. So if anything that means they should reach the Galaxy sooner, not later. I doubt the Reapers are sitting hundreds of thousands of lightyears away from the Galaxy though.

Harbinger: "LUDICROUS SPEED!"

Grunt: "... They've gone all the way to plaid..."

[cbutz]

Crazy thought that probably isn't true:

What if Harby's (yes Harby) group of Reapers are only a diversion from Darkspace. While Shepard rallies the galaxy to watch the outskirts of the galaxy, the main Reaper fleet is at the center of the galaxy. They attack from within....think about it...

[Bluko]

huntrrz wrote...

Bluko wrote...

I'm sure the Reapers are capable of traveling faster then 12 ly/day. So if anything that means they should reach the Galaxy sooner, not later. I doubt the Reapers are sitting hundreds of thousands of lightyears away from the Galaxy though.

Harbinger: "LUDICROUS SPEED!"

Grunt: "... They've gone all the way to plaid..."

LOL

Geth Trooper:"Saren Commander our sensor outputs have been jammed!"

Saren:"What flavor is it?!"

Geth Trooper:"Blueberry sir."

Saren:"Shepard..."


Well 22 years to travel the diameter of the galaxy is an optimal speed, assuming a ship never has to discharge it's core or anything like that. Realistically it probably takes quite a bit longer longer due to frequent stops, not mention the issue of fuel. Hence why traveling to Ilos without a Relay would likely take a decade almost as stated in the codex.

And yes even Reapers would have to discharge their cores eventually I would think as well. Perhaps they can't actually travel at FTL speeds for that reason since there aren't any planets in-between here and there for them discharge at.

[Bluko]

cbutz wrote...

Crazy thought that probably isn't true:
What if Harby's (yes Harby) group of Reapers are only a diversion from Darkspace. While Shepard rallies the galaxy to watch the outskirts of the galaxy, the main Reaper fleet is at the center of the galaxy. They attack from within....think about it...

That could be possible. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple Reaper fleets. Maybe Harbinger's fleet is only a first wave or something to that effect. Afterall Sovereign says their numbers would darken the sky of every world. To me that implies there must be several thousand Reapers.

Of course then again Harby and Sovey are infamous for their "Trash Talk".