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[smudboy]

ME2: Marketing of Errors

[xI extremist Ix]

Then don't play the game???

[STG]

Got some nice laughs, good video.

[SkullandBonesmember]

"You know why you're shooting what you're shooting."



Well, can't argue with a cute face.



Seriously, entire video made me laugh. Commence fanboys "THIS IS UNFOUNDED CRITICISM OF A CLOSE TO PERFECT GAME! ONLY PROBLEM IS PLANET SCANNING!"

[SkullandBonesmember]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Then don't play the game???

Millionth time, we don't have a choice.

[nic0dem]

I lol'd

but I'm guessing you were a bit disappointed with me2

[Mister Mida]

At least it is funny.

[Lemonwizard]

That video was really poorly edited, it took me half of it to figure out that the video was actually pausing like that and my computer wasn't freezing.







Aside from that, mildly entertaining.

[Teknor]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Millionth time, we don't have a choice.

Who forces you to play a sh*tty game ? Yes none,  you just love whining. 

[KalosCast]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Then don't play the game???

Millionth time, we don't have a choice.

I...
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Wow, that's so stupid I finally don't have any snark for it. I tip my hat to you, good sir.

Anyway, a lot of these were early/mid development statements, so seeing them be different isn't wholly surprising. Not to mention that not every member of the Dev team works on every single part of the game.

And everybody knows that since the EA aquisition (the producer generally does the marketing) BW games have taken a turn for appearing dark and edgier than they are.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Teknor wrote...

Who forces you to play a sh*tty game ? Yes none,  you just love whining.

I know in all likelihood you've probably already read at the very least one of my multiple posts where I need to repeat myself, but here we go again.

Shooter fans get dozens of games that cater their tastes released every year. How many games like Mass Effect do story driven fans get released for them each year? Enough to count on only one hand. So when a game like Mass Effect 2 is released, it's not as if we have a variety to pick from, whether it sucks or not, we have to take it. There aren't many games that allow you to dictate what the main character says with choices and multiple endings. There is however a plethora of games with lots and lots of 'SPLOSHUNS. Even though there's a huge market for games such as Mass Effect, Heavy Rain, Indigo Prophecy, etc.

[KalosCast]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Shooter fans get dozens of games that cater their tastes released every year.

Because, of course, everyone who likes shooters likes every shooter, regardless of quality or style of gameplay. A year can easily go by without a single atmospheric story-driven shooter, or a decent tactical squad-based shooter.

[Teknor]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Shooter fans get dozens of games that cater their tastes released every year. How many games like Mass Effect do story driven fans get released for them each year? Enough to count on only one hand. So when a game like Mass Effect 2 is released, it's not as if we have a variety to pick from, whether it sucks or not, we have to take it.

So if the game's quality is not the factor which makes you buy the game, you shouldn't whine about the quality. Blame yourself for having bad priorities to buy a game.

[SkullandBonesmember]

KalosCast wrote...

Because, of course, everyone who likes shooters likes every shooter, regardless of quality or style of gameplay. A year can easily go by without a single atmospheric story-driven shooter, or a decent tactical squad-based shooter.

The fact remains you still get way more OPPORTUNITIES for enjoyable games catered to your tastes compared to the opportunities that fans of story driven games get.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Teknor wrote...

So if the game's quality is not the factor which makes you buy the game, you shouldn't whine about the quality. Blame yourself for having bad priorities to buy a game.

Say what? Of course the QUALITY is the biggest priority of mine when buying a game.  Are you saying quality in a game is limited to headshots?

[adam_grif]

I like how there's a whole contingent of people ready to thumbs down anything negative you say about ME2.

[Teknor]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Teknor wrote...

So if the game's quality is not the factor which makes you buy the game, you shouldn't whine about the quality. Blame yourself for having bad priorities to buy a game.

Say what? Of course the QUALITY is the biggest priority of mine when buying a game.  Are you saying quality in a game is limited to headshots?

Then why did you buy ME2 ? Knowingly that it will be all shooty and sucky.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Teknor wrote...

Then why did you buy ME2 ? Knowingly that it will be all shooty and sucky.

Damn, are you serious? How the hell was I or anybody else supposed to know it would have taken the 180 that it did? The best that could have been deducted from the marketing that there was more of an emphasis on combat, not that character interaction would have been bastardized as much as it was.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 08 juin 2010 - 08:05 .

[Lulia]

Hypocrits - the video description stated "comical" and i didn't laugh, i didn't even smirk... oh yeah that's right it a point of view that is based individual interpretation like the entire content used in the video.



I'm sure they all believed what they said to be true and accurate and from their point of view, and many other peoples point of view, it is.

[Tamahome560]

Well I stopped watching after Casey Hudson said about specific commands and you said just like ME1 ... Well sorry PC version was not developed by Bioware ... and 360 didn't have specific commands for each squad member that could be used without opening power wheel + commands were very basic and not so good compared to PC ver. and ME 2  

Lift cannot be curved and aimed so that it pulls enemies towards you or to the side so well pull is a new power that can be used like lift was used in ME1.

Thane is an assassin that prefers to kill people from up close and looke em in the eye ... this does not mean that he never uses sniper rifle it's just his style that excludes it but sometimes his style is not suitable for a situation e.g. 90% Missions Shepard does ... most of the are full on assaults ...

Modifié par Tamahome560, 08 juin 2010 - 02:52 .

[Teknor]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Damn, are you serious? How the hell was I or anybody else supposed to know it would have taken the 180 that it did? The best that could have been deducted from the marketing that there was more of an emphasis on combat, not that character interaction would have been bastardized as much as it was.

Oh i'm sorry i thought you were able to read the reviews and watch short clips from the game.

[Madman123456]

Well, there is some valid Criticism in here, even People who loved the Game and indeed especially those who loved the Game will have to admit that the Advertisement was, well, questionable. They have so many really new and good Points in the Game, why use old Things and sell them like this is totally new? "Squad Commands in real time" really bugged me. As if they had nothing else in the Game that was worth mentioning so they brought up this thing that was in the last game?



Some of the criticism is not appropriate. Mass Effect 2 is not one of the worst Crimes against Humanity, therefore the Comparison with Matrix 2 can not be tolerated. Seriously, the Matrix Sequels brought about a new Dark Age in Philosophy, where the self-important Eggheads babble all day long and get huge boners if they can form Sentences that average Joe doesn't care enough about to try to understand.

Philosophy could be a great enrichment for us all. Analyze these Movies and see how they are full of pseudo philosophical excrement which is deliberately made as overly complicated as possible. If you really took the time to understand what they are saying you'll see that not only the Storythreads, every single one of them, is complete BS, but also the philosophical Background.



These Movies are actually damaging to any effort in bringing Philosophy closer to people by making it less boring. Which is, in my Opinion, a sad thing for all of us.

Since this happened deliberately, my Description actually fits: The Matrix Sequels are a Crime against Humanity.

In my Opinion, you should apologize to Bioware. Even if your Hopes and Dreams in this Game where crushed, it isn't as bad as matrix 2.

[smudboy]

Madman123456 wrote...

Well, there is some valid Criticism in here, even People who loved the Game and indeed especially those who loved the Game will have to admit that the Advertisement was, well, questionable. They have so many really new and good Points in the Game, why use old Things and sell them like this is totally new? "Squad Commands in real time" really bugged me. As if they had nothing else in the Game that was worth mentioning so they brought up this thing that was in the last game?

Some of the criticism is not appropriate. Mass Effect 2 is not one of the worst Crimes against Humanity, therefore the Comparison with Matrix 2 can not be tolerated. Seriously, the Matrix Sequels brought about a new Dark Age in Philosophy, where the self-important Eggheads babble all day long and get huge boners if they can form Sentences that average Joe doesn't care enough about to try to understand.
Philosophy could be a great enrichment for us all. Analyze these Movies and see how they are full of pseudo philosophical excrement which is deliberately made as overly complicated as possible. If you really took the time to understand what they are saying you'll see that not only the Storythreads, every single one of them, is complete BS, but also the philosophical Background.

These Movies are actually damaging to any effort in bringing Philosophy closer to people by making it less boring. Which is, in my Opinion, a sad thing for all of us.
Since this happened deliberately, my Description actually fits: The Matrix Sequels are a Crime against Humanity.
In my Opinion, you should apologize to Bioware. Even if your Hopes and Dreams in this Game where crushed, it isn't as bad as matrix 2.

Was it worse than the Star Wars Prequels?  I don't think so either, but that's what its becoming.  All glitz, no substance, although in ME2's case, next to nothing to do with its predecessor.

The Matrix Reloaded had an overarching plot of cyclic destruction where humans are used as fuel.  Sound familiar?  (The Matrix Reloaded does have similarities to The Foundation series, however.)

[smudboy]

Madman123456 wrote...
In my Opinion, you should apologize to Bioware. Even if your Hopes and Dreams in this Game where crushed, it isn't as bad as matrix 2.

They should be apologizing to us.

The day I apologize to BioWare is when ME3 cures cancer.  Or isn't the mess that was ME2.