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[RyuGuitarFreak]

First of all, smudboy please work on your audio editing.

Thane part was really wrong xD. But the whole sniper stuff probably came after that video was leaked.

Lift and Pull are different. The name pretty much explains the difference in both skills. Wrong, dude.

That woman in that part that said "you know why you're shooting and who you're shooting" made really no sense lol.

The Isimov parts are obviously related to the geth. You could make some comparison with the quarrian/geth relationship to human/robot. Well, I kind of agree with you that he probably didn't mean that lol.

What's wrong in "That is Commander Shepard's story. That is the Mass Effect trilogy"?

I didn't understand really the point what Greg was saying and I got a little confused, but actually there was no specific proof of the Collectors abductions until Shepard got the data Veetor had.

All of the others I found not worth mentioning. Well, I found most related to your opinion trying hard to make them wrong and funny and I didn't find them really wrong or funny at all. Nice video, though.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 08 juin 2010 - 04:44 .

[Thesuperdevil]

I really wasn't surprised after watching this video. Many game developers give their game more hype than it warrants (and in some cases are found to be outright lying), which is why I never really pay any serious attention to them and wait for more comprehensive reviews before buying a game.



I like ME2 and you don't. That's fine. I'll give you props for posting this video here, but I don't really know if you were expecting serious responses, or if you just wanted to a get a rise out of the fanboys.

[glacier1701]

So this is what you were doing on the weekend. Must admit a lot of the stuff you showed that we got pre-game was completely different in the final product. It did seem that they had one version of the game and gave us something completely different. The one thing perhaps you might have emphasised more is how they played UP the SUICIDE mission and how hard that would be to get through with everyone alive yet the reality was that it so simple most people came out of it with the full squad though perhaps not  the full crew because BioWare pulled a fast one compared to the way they usually do things. 


 Some other things might have been added such as the RPG aspect when so much of the development time spent on ME2 was under the NO RPG rule. Or how the thermal clips were universal UNTIL you picked them up and then they became specific to one gun type. Or how this was the dark chapter yet wasn't. It was more emotional yet didnt have anything that even came close to the moment we had with Vigil on Ilos in it. But then again its your vid. 

 

[Bookman230]

Yeah, as soon as I saw the "not in this game" about becoming the character, I knew it was an annoying and pretentious troll video. Left right after.

[bjdbwea]

Good video. Raises some very good points, and possibly better than a lot of text in a forum post could. Of course some people will, as always, accuse you of "hating" the game. But on the contrary, to invest the effort of creating such a video, shows that you do care and want to contribute constructive criticism.

Maybe the others should make a video that proves all those promises from the developers to be true after all? Oh right, that's pretty much impossible. It's one thing to claim and shout "no, you're wrong, and I'm the majority", but it's a whole different thing to prove it.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 08 juin 2010 - 05:20 .

[smudboy]

glacier1701 wrote...
So this is what you were doing on the weekend. Must admit a lot of the stuff you showed that we got pre-game was completely different in the final product. It did seem that they had one version of the game and gave us something completely different. The one thing perhaps you might have emphasised more is how they played UP the SUICIDE mission and how hard that would be to get through with everyone alive yet the reality was that it so simple most people came out of it with the full squad though perhaps not  the full crew because BioWare pulled a fast one compared to the way they usually do things. 

The Developer Reveal diary was posted on youtube last year in July.  Which we can guess the interviews could've occurred a month or two prior.  That still leaves about a year to change entire characters around (Thane.)  It also implies entire re-writes, or potentially writing things last (how would an all melee-character work in a 3rd person squad shooter?  Did he get the memo?)

The rest was the Sci. Vs. Fi vids that were aired this year in January.

We have lots, lots more to say.  The trick was finding actual commentaries on contrary topics by these people.  There were a lot more from various E3 shows, but they were mostly bad recordings with lots of background noise.

 Some other things might have been added such as the RPG aspect when so much of the development time spent on ME2 was under the NO RPG rule. Or how the thermal clips were universal UNTIL you picked them up and then they became specific to one gun type. Or how this was the dark chapter yet wasn't. It was more emotional yet didnt have anything that even came close to the moment we had with Vigil on Ilos in it. But then again its your vid. 

Eh, so little time, so many bananas!

[InvaderErl]

Do we really need a thread for everyone of these videos?



Why not just have a Smudboy Video series thread and clean up the clutter.

[smudboy]

Bookman230 wrote...

Yeah, as soon as I saw the "not in this game" about becoming the character, I knew it was an annoying and pretentious troll video. Left right after.

I'm guessing the projection of your will and desires into the P/R/dialog wheel made you "become" Shepard?  Maybe it was the customizable armor?  Romance?

I'm going to go project myself around the room now...

[Chaos-fusion]

Bookman230 wrote...

Yeah, as soon as I saw the "not in this game" about becoming the character, I knew it was an annoying and pretentious troll video. Left right after.

ME2 is Bioware's most restrictive game in terms of character development and customisation. I honestly wouldn't be suprised if half of ME3's dialogue is predetermined, given that there was alot more examples of the game telling you how Sheperd is thinking in ME2 compared to the first.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Didn't one of the persons in the sci vs fi claim that one the themes in ME2 is "what it means to be alive".

Did I miss that? Because as far as I know, Shepard doesn't care about being brought back from the dead. Or did they mean the whole "geth are living beings too"?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 08 juin 2010 - 05:35 .

[bjdbwea]

InvaderErl wrote...

Do we really need a thread for everyone of these videos?

Why not just have a Smudboy Video series thread and clean up the clutter.

Yeah, how dare he invest the effort to make these videos and open two - two! - threads for two videos that deal with very different subjects. You almost can't see any other threads anymore, can you.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 08 juin 2010 - 05:36 .

[InvaderErl]

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't one of the persons in the sci
vs fi claim that one the themes in ME2 is "what it means to be alive".

Did
I miss that? Because as far as I know, Shepard doesn't care about being
brought back from the dead. Or did they mean the whole "geth are living
beings too"?

Ya know those huge debates that are always running around about whether or not Legion is a living person?

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juin 2010 - 05:38 .

[smudboy]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
First of all, smudboy please work on your audio editing.

OMG WTF?!

Lift and Pull are different. The name pretty much explains the difference in both skills. Wrong, dude.

Aside from the new arcing, I didn't notice a difference.  Pull seems to have less thrust-magnitude.  Either way, he said new, not improved, or evolved.  It still lifts stuff up in the air.

The Isimov parts are obviously related to the geth. You could make some comparison with the quarrian/geth relationship to human/robot. Well, I kind of agree with you that he probably didn't mean that lol.

The robot series deals mainly with Asimov's positronic robots and their 3 rules.  There is a story about one falling in love, however.  I actually found more ties between Foundation, but, I mean, that's his magnum opus.  (You could argue the Seldon plan is like a "good' Reaper plan, but that's stretching it.)

What's wrong in "That is Commander Shepard's story. That is the Mass Effect trilogy"?

When 75% of the game is other stories, completely unrelated to anything ME, then ME2 just proved it wasn't.

I didn't understand really the point what Greg was saying and I got a little confused, but actually there was no specific proof of the Collectors abductions until Shepard got the data Veetor had.

All of the others I found not worth mentioning. Well, I found most related to your opinion trying hard to make them wrong and funny and I didn't find them really wrong or funny at all. Nice video, though.

Coming from you, this is a landmark!

[InvaderErl]

bjdbwea wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Do we really need a thread for everyone of these videos?

Why not just have a Smudboy Video series thread and clean up the clutter.

Yeah, how dare he invest the effort to make these videos and open two - two! - threads for two videos that deal with very different subjects. You almost can't see any other threads anymore, can you.

I'm thinking about down the line when he's made 6 videos or more. Are we going to have them floating all over the place?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

InvaderErl wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't one of the persons in the sci
vs fi claim that one the themes in ME2 is "what it means to be alive".

Did
I miss that? Because as far as I know, Shepard doesn't care about being
brought back from the dead. Or did they mean the whole "geth are living
beings too"?

Ya know those huge debates that are always running around about whether or not Legion is a living person?

I always thought that was under the "man vs machine" catergory.

[InvaderErl]

Lizardviking wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't one of the persons in the sci
vs fi claim that one the themes in ME2 is "what it means to be alive".

Did
I miss that? Because as far as I know, Shepard doesn't care about being
brought back from the dead. Or did they mean the whole "geth are living
beings too"?

Ya know those huge debates that are always running around about whether or not Legion is a living person?

I always thought that was under the "man vs machine" catergory.

If they're debating if a robot is alive I take it under "what is life?" category.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

InvaderErl wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't one of the persons in the sci
vs fi claim that one the themes in ME2 is "what it means to be alive".

Did
I miss that? Because as far as I know, Shepard doesn't care about being
brought back from the dead. Or did they mean the whole "geth are living
beings too"?

Ya know those huge debates that are always running around about whether or not Legion is a living person?

I always thought that was under the "man vs machine" catergory.

If they're debating if a robot is alive I take it under "what is life?" category.

I'll take your point. But it still doesn't excuse Shepards complete lack of emotions regarding his own death.

[smudboy]

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't one of the persons in the sci vs fi claim that one the themes in ME2 is "what it means to be alive".

Did I miss that? Because as far as I know, Shepard doesn't care about being brought back from the dead. Or did they mean the whole "geth are living beings too"?

Mac kind of comments about that in the first Sci Vs. Fi vid where he says "we talk, sort of humanity, about what it means to be human or even to be alive."

I mean, as a writer, that's a pretty obvious (and thus stupid) thing to say. (We write about dead people and what it means to be dead?)  A common theme in science fiction is dissonance with humanity (due to technology, aliens, etc.), so it's still true. 

Even then, you're right: I never got that feeling from ME2 at all of what it means to be alive.  I also don't want to harp on every word here, just some funny ones.

[huntrrz]

Didn't watch the whole video. After several 'criticisms' based on taking things out of context, I decided it wasn't worth my time. I can get plenty of biased, made-up spin watching pundits on cable 'news'.



The 'comparison' of ME2 vs ME1 "squad commands in real time" PROVES Bioware's claim true if you have played both games. The ME1 deploy command was to the entire squad, while ME2 lets you command squad members individually. The ME1 power wheel PAUSES the game, as apposed to using mapped keys to send commands IN REAL TIME - JUST AS CLAIMED. Yet the video tries to use this as 'evidence' to declare the claim 'false'.



The complaint about "no longer forcing you into cover" is based on the same misrepresentation / misunderstanding. Yes, in combat you have to take cover, but the game no longer automatically puts you into cover when you run into an object, often doing so when you didn't want it to.



And that's where I quit. The video isn't even 'comical' - the saying is, "It's funny because it's TRUE." Made up BS? Not worth my time.

[InvaderErl]

Lizardviking wrote...


I'll take your point. But it
still doesn't excuse Shepards complete lack of emotions regarding his
own death.

I agree with that, but that's more of a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Some people are already upset with what characterization Bioware put in ME2 as it is.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juin 2010 - 05:46 .

[bjdbwea]

InvaderErl wrote...

I'm thinking about down the line when he's made 6 videos or more. Are we going to have them floating all over the place?

If they deal with distinctively different subjects, why not? (And I for one would welcome more videos of this kind.) That's not my call to make though, nor yours. I do hope the people in charge around here will not start to try and hide criticism.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 08 juin 2010 - 05:52 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

InvaderErl wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...


I'll take your point. But it
still doesn't excuse Shepards complete lack of emotions regarding his
own death.

I agree with that, but that's more of a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Some people are already upset with what characterization Bioware put in ME2 as it is.

Wait? Did some people claim that Shepard was too much of an emo in ME2?

All Bioware had to do was to add a scene where Kelly ask Shepard how he is doing. All the people who doesn't want to break their tough guy Shepard can just pick the "I'm fine" dialog, others who want something slightly deeper can continue the conversation.

There's only one scene in ME1 where Shepard shows some emotions. In ME2 he shows less than Gordon Freeman.

[DragonRageGT]

Very good video. Agree with it but still, the game is good and enjoyable. It is just a game after all.

[InvaderErl]

Lizardviking wrote...

Wait? Did some people claim that Shepard was too much of an emo in ME2?

All Bioware had to do was to add a scene where Kelly ask Shepard how he is doing. All the people who doesn't want to break their tough guy Shepard can just pick the "I'm fine" dialog, others who want something slightly deeper can continue the conversation.

There's only one scene in ME1 where Shepard shows some emotions. In ME2 he shows less than Gordon Freeman.

I'm not saying people were calling Shepard emo and I'm not specifically talking in relation to that scenario but he is slightly more characterized in 2 (not by much but there is a bit more of a difference now) and people start to feel as if they're losing control over the character and become upset - which I have seen complaints about.

Lizardviking wrote...


There's only one scene in ME1
where Shepard shows some emotions. In ME2 he shows less than Gordon
Freeman.

Have to disagree. You get scenes of Shepard getting angry at the racist Volus/C-Sec, Shep's MUCH snarkier now, he jokes around with Garrus or Mordin a bit here and there. He's outraged at the Admiralty board should you choose these options.

I'm not saying he's a rich or varied character but he had more emotional moments than the first one I felt.

You're talking about the Normandy lockdown scene from 1, correct - I would LOVE more moments like that.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juin 2010 - 05:59 .

[TelexFerra]

You win