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[OldMan91]

I hope we don't go from one extreme (Alistair is a wimp) to another (You must be just like Alistair to score).

[errant_knight]

Xandurpein wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

And the true question in that debate being why so many men don't understand it--or worse, are moved by that to tell women why they're wrong to find him appealling. That takes big brass ones. The whole thing doesn't bode well for the survival of the species....

My personal definition of a "douchebag":

He acts like Vaughn, imagines he is Sten and don't understand why women prefer Alistair over him...

Lol! I've met that guy....

OldMan91 wrote...

I hope we don't go from one extreme (Alistair is a wimp) to another (You must be just like Alistair to score).

If any woman were to say that, it would, of course, be her own personal definition of what meets with her approval--a completely individual thing, and therefore, perfectly acceptable, assuming she chooses to set such a high standard. Poor lonely girl....

Modifié par errant_knight, 18 juin 2010 - 02:16 .

[OldMan91]

If any woman were to say that, it would, of course, be her own personal definition of what meets with her approval--a completely individual thing, and therefore, perfectly acceptable, assuming she chooses to set such a high standard. Poor lonely girl....

That's my point. It's only a "high standard" to certain people. Alistair has his fans, while others prefer Zevran as a love interest. Which standard should we use as an ideal bro/lover/friend/boyfriend/husband/whatevergetsyougoing? Zevran? Alistair? Teagan? Dare I say it... Cullen?

Modifié par OldMan91, 18 juin 2010 - 03:14 .

[Carmen_Willow]

OldMan91 wrote...

If any woman were to say that, it would, of course, be her own personal definition of what meets with her approval--a completely individual thing, and therefore, perfectly acceptable, assuming she chooses to set such a high standard. Poor lonely girl....

That's my point. It's only a "high standard" to certain people. Alistair has his fans, while others prefer Zevran as a love interest. Which standard should we use as an ideal bro/lover/friend/boyfriend/husband/whatevergetsyougoing? Zevran? Alistair? Teagan? Dare I say it... Cullen?

 
The "be who you really are" standard pretty much works for me.  I liked the guys who were honest enough to admit that they never made it to first string (name the sport), drove a clunker,  and didn't play lead guitar in their garage band.  It was always preferable to hearing, "I was the quarterback, who drove a brand new (car of the moment) and was the lead singer/guitar player in my band," from some guy.  I always wanted to hand him an instrument and say, "Okay budyy, rock on.  Let's see what you got (and by they way, where's the car?)"

Who you really are will fascinate some women a heck of a lot more than trying to be who you think we want you to be.  Just sayin'.....

[errant_knight]

OldMan91 wrote...

If any woman were to say that, it would, of course, be her own personal definition of what meets with her approval--a completely individual thing, and therefore, perfectly acceptable, assuming she chooses to set such a high standard. Poor lonely girl....

That's my point. It's only a "high standard" to certain people. Alistair has his fans, while others prefer Zevran as a love interest. Which standard should we use as an ideal bro/lover/friend/boyfriend/husband/whatevergetsyougoing? Zevran? Alistair? Teagan? Dare I say it... Cullen?

1. Any woman talking about what is attractive can only be speaking for herself. We can't read each other's minds.
2. Said woman has every right to have whatever standards she desires.
3. No one is saying that ALL women find Alistair attractive, as other threads demonstrate. All that can be gleaned from this is that many women find Alistair attractive, each for reasons of her own, although certain commonalities have been demonstrated in posts.
4. Any ideal is a personal thing, and differs from woman to woman. We don't share a 'hive-mind.'

[OldMan91]

errant_knight wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

If any woman were to say that, it would, of course, be her own personal definition of what meets with her approval--a completely individual thing, and therefore, perfectly acceptable, assuming she chooses to set such a high standard. Poor lonely girl....

That's my point. It's only a "high standard" to certain people. Alistair has his fans, while others prefer Zevran as a love interest. Which standard should we use as an ideal bro/lover/friend/boyfriend/husband/whatevergetsyougoing? Zevran? Alistair? Teagan? Dare I say it... Cullen?

1. Any woman talking about what is attractive can only be speaking for herself. We can't read each other's minds.
2. Said woman has every right to have whatever standards she desires.
3. No one is saying that ALL women find Alistair attractive, as other threads demonstrate. All that can be gleaned from this is that many women find Alistair attractive, each for reasons of her own, although certain commonalities have been demonstrated in posts.
4. Any ideal is a personal thing, and differs from woman to woman. We don't share a 'hive-mind.'

Well my question was meant to be rhetorical but that can't really be conveyed in a forum post, now can it?

[errant_knight]

Lol! Okay. Yeah, rhetorical isn't the assumption...

[Bratt1204]

errant_knight wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

If any woman were to say that, it would, of course, be her own personal definition of what meets with her approval--a completely individual thing, and therefore, perfectly acceptable, assuming she chooses to set such a high standard. Poor lonely girl....

That's my point. It's only a "high standard" to certain people. Alistair has his fans, while others prefer Zevran as a love interest. Which standard should we use as an ideal bro/lover/friend/boyfriend/husband/whatevergetsyougoing? Zevran? Alistair? Teagan? Dare I say it... Cullen?

1. Any woman talking about what is attractive can only be speaking for herself. We can't read each other's minds.
2. Said woman has every right to have whatever standards she desires.
3. No one is saying that ALL women find Alistair attractive, as other threads demonstrate. All that can be gleaned from this is that many women find Alistair attractive, each for reasons of her own, although certain commonalities have been demonstrated in posts.
4. Any ideal is a personal thing, and differs from woman to woman. We don't share a 'hive-mind.'

[nos_astra]

Bratt1204 wrote...

[ alistair ] A little creepy that! [ /alistair ]

Modifié par klarabella, 18 juin 2010 - 04:49 .

[Bratt1204]

klarabella wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

[ alistair ] A little creepy that! [ /alistair ]

Not quite as 'creepy'?>

[CallumMcManus]

The way he acts like a child would act makes him amusing but he is different to all the others

Callum:alien:

[CallumMcManus]

OldMan91 wrote...

I hope we don't go from one extreme (Alistair is a wimp) to another (You must be just like Alistair to score).

I Agree

Callum McManus:bandit:

[Deifka]

To be honest, It's a very interesting topic. Well, I'll add my two cents then.

The reason I like Alistair isn't because he's a handsome boy (until the coronation I can't really call him a "man"), like a lot of girls claim, what's more I can honestly say - he's definitely not my type, Duncan was a lot better.

I absolutely adore Alistair because his character is almost the same as mine, I can freely say I'm his female version (but more tolerant of course). I understand all his actions, his way of thinking because... well, because I have the same values as Alistair, it sounds really trivial I know. I'm a hopeless romantic and "that annoying witty idiot" (yup, here in Poland I've heard this line thousands of times, let's say people don't like my jokes, which are really similar to Alistair's, not to mention their funny ways to prevent me from joking).
Furthermore I can't understand why people blame Alistair for leaving the Warden and Ferelden after Loghain is spared to join the order of GW. I would do exactly the same, though it might look really emotional (cause it is, indeed). I know what Alistair felt, a deep hatred towards Loghain and a desire to avenge Duncan, Cailan and Eamon. Probably you have to lose someone close to you and be aware that it was someone's fault, not an accident, to understand Alistair. Empathy is also a key. Oh well, I think I wrote more than enough for now. I also hope my english isn't that terrible after all.

Modifié par Deifka, 18 juin 2010 - 06:23 .

[Xandurpein]

Alistair is obviously not the blueprint for what every woman wants. As Errant_knight so eloquently put it, women do not have a hive mind. On the other hand a lot of female gamers, though far from all, DO find him attractive.

Now all those male players who think Alistair is just a wimp can either deduce that all those women are crazy, or they can listen and maybe in the process learn a thing or two about the difference between what many men thinks is how a guy ought to be and what a many women thinks a man ought to be.

I am the first to admit that we are all individuals and any claim in the name of all men/women/any group you care to mention, is a lie. Nevertheless I have the advantage of age and experience and I can say that I have found that in general, what young men find impressive in a man, often is not quite what a woman find impressive. If you are a man who values what women think about you, that might just be a useful piece of information.

Do with that knowledge what you like, but, whatever we do find attractive, cool or impressive, let's be open to the fact that others have other opinions. If you are not willing to learn from others experience, why not at least focus on what you think is good and spend less time on derogatory remarks about what other people like?

Modifié par Xandurpein, 18 juin 2010 - 08:47 .

[LadyDamodred]

Xandurpein wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

And the true question in that debate being why so many men don't understand it--or worse, are moved by that to tell women why they're wrong to find him appealling. That takes big brass ones. The whole thing doesn't bode well for the survival of the species....

My personal definition of a "douchebag":

He acts like Vaughn, imagines he is Sten and don't understand why women prefer Alistair over him...

I think I love you more and more with each passing day.

[thegreateski]

Because he's good looking (I guess) and easily bossed around?



and it's oh so entertaining when he IS bossed around! *cackles*

[Giggles_Manically]

My City Elf like him and cheered when he loped off Loghain's head, she was also happy when he decided to not become King. While I personally did really like Alistair, my City Elf totally liked him. The power of Role Playing is strong it seems.

[Miri1984]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

My City Elf like him and cheered when he loped off Loghain's head, she was also happy when he decided to not become King. While I personally did really like Alistair, my City Elf totally liked him. The power of Role Playing is strong it seems.

I agree with this. It's a little bit hard to believe that a duster dwarf is going to like Alistair much on first meet - he's just so naive, whereas a HNF or even a Dalish might think he was sweet because of it. But if any character takes the time to get to know him and harden him I think he ends up being a very different person by the end of DAO than at the beginning. Just like all the characters! It's what makes DA so replayable. 

[Herr Uhl]

Xandurpein wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

And the true question in that debate being why so many men don't understand it--or worse, are moved by that to tell women why they're wrong to find him appealling. That takes big brass ones. The whole thing doesn't bode well for the survival of the species....

My personal definition of a "douchebag":

He acts like Vaughn, imagines he is Sten and don't understand why women prefer Alistair over him...

*wonders when you will insult those people again*

I think that it is an exercise in futility. It is not like they will think "Wow, I have wasted my entire life up until now, I'll go and do something useful instead now that this post have shown me how stupid I am."

I just don't see the point, and shan't intrude further.

Disclaimer: I may act like Vaughn and think that I am Sten, but I do know why women prefer other men, or women as the case may be.

[maxernst]

I think it's easiest for a human noble to like Alistair from the start. How do others see it as a mage? I played it that the whole templar thing was seriously offputting at first. Great--I finally get out of that damned tower and now I have my own personal templar following me around ready to skewer me at the first sign of anything amiss! But once you learn how much he disliked being in the chantry and how affable he is, it's hard not to warm up to him.

[Giggles_Manically]

Miri1984 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

My City Elf like him and cheered when he loped off Loghain's head, she was also happy when he decided to not become King. While I personally did really like Alistair, my City Elf totally liked him. The power of Role Playing is strong it seems.

I agree with this. It's a little bit hard to believe that a duster dwarf is going to like Alistair much on first meet - he's just so naive, whereas a HNF or even a Dalish might think he was sweet because of it. But if any character takes the time to get to know him and harden him I think he ends up being a very different person by the end of DAO than at the beginning. Just like all the characters! It's what makes DA so replayable. 

I really get into RPing my charachters a lot. While Alistair was only so-so to me my first time through, when I played as an aggresive City elf she totally jumped poor Alistair, to her he was funny and cute as hell. I loved that line with Morrigan "he is an idiot, but he is MY idiot." Totally in charachter for her.

Likewise my street tough Dwarf Commenor was nothing more than a thug who liked being a bully on Behrats orders. However I RPed him as having a fatal weakness in how much he loved his sister. That let him actually help that kid outside of the chantry in Lothering and go on to save Redcliffe. I tried to play him as a selfish little schnook but by the end he had dumped Morrigan, fell in Love with Leliana and redeemed Sten and Zevran, and befriended Shale. He didnt give it a second thought at the end and did the US. I miss playing Omeron so much right now he was so awsome and his funeral was very touching. My playthough on him was very cool to see him go from a angry thug, into a hero.

Oh yes my Elf Mage who I tried to save for Zevran also jumped alistair, what is it with Alistair charm on elves? Strangely enough my human noble ran off to Antiva with him. I freakin love how much RP ability Bioware gives us in their games.  Take that JRPGs.

[rgon]

From what I've gathered, some women like Alistair because of reasons like how he is funny, is sensitive, kind, handsome, and endearing but also brave.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Xandurpein wrote...

Alistair is obviously not the blueprint for what every woman wants. As Errant_knight so eloquently put it, women do not have a hive mind. On the other hand a lot of female gamers, though far from all, DO find him attractive.

Now all those male players who think Alistair is just a wimp can either deduce that all those women are crazy, or they can listen and maybe in the process learn a thing or two about the difference between what many men thinks is how a guy ought to be and what a many women thinks a man ought to be.

I am the first to admit that we are all individuals and any claim in the name of all men/women/any group you care to mention, is a lie. Nevertheless I have the advantage of age and experience and I can say that I have found that in general, what young men find impressive in a man, often is not quite what a woman find impressive. If you are a man who values what women think about you, that might just be a useful piece of information.

Do with that knowledge what you like, but, whatever we do find attractive, cool or impressive, let's be open to the fact that others have other opinions. If you are not willing to learn from others experience, why not at least focus on what you think is good and spend less time on derogatory remarks about what other people like?

Guy, you are acting like this forum contains all the women in the world. If I were to respect Alistair, then I would easily try and find some good advice from his character (although I would never look for advice from some fictional character). In my own opinion, Loghain is the better man of the two, and Alistair is a wimp regardless of what anyone says. Of course, I found Alistair pretty funny at times, but that doesn't mean he is a poster boy of what a man should be. Alistair's behavior in the landsmeet was unforgiveable, and no amount of joking could ever help his character redeem himself in my eyes.