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[Thor Rand Al]

That face says it all .  No seriously there's a lot about Alistair that some people won't, don't or can't see beyond his insecurities.  N their not insecurities, this guy has basically been dragged in the mud since he was born.  He's never really had a home, a family, he's never had anyone really really care about him.  Alistair doesn't know where he belongs except the Grey Wardens.  The first place that he can litereally call home n that's taken away by a treacherous ______ *put in your own words* . Anyways there's a lot more to Alistair then what you first see.  He's adorable, loveable, sweet, charming, yes he is insecure in some things but for him it's also part of his charm.  Alistair wants to belong, he wants to be accepted for who HE IS, not for his blood.  He wants to be loved, wants to actually have a friend.  Things he was denied growing up.  I don't blame him for being the way he is, he's never really belonged anywhere or was ever wanted.  He's trying to make the best of his life that he can.
Give him a chance, their more to Alistair then you think lol.

[Bratt1204]

Thor Rand Al wrote...




That face says it all .  No seriously there's a lot about Alistair that some people won't, don't or can't see beyond his insecurities.  N their not insecurities, this guy has basically been dragged in the mud since he was born.  He's never really had a home, a family, he's never had anyone really really care about him.  Alistair doesn't know where he belongs except the Grey Wardens.  The first place that he can litereally call home n that's taken away by a treacherous ______ *put in your own words* . Anyways there's a lot more to Alistair then what you first see.  He's adorable, loveable, sweet, charming, yes he is insecure in some things but for him it's also part of his charm.  Alistair wants to belong, he wants to be accepted for who HE IS, not for his blood.  He wants to be loved, wants to actually have a friend.  Things he was denied growing up.  I don't blame him for being the way he is, he's never really belonged anywhere or was ever wanted.  He's trying to make the best of his life that he can.
Give him a chance, their more to Alistair then you think lol.

<3<3<3

Well stated.

[Carmen_Willow]

I just want to add one thing about why I find Alistair attractive:



When he tells you at Redcliffe that he's Maric's son, you can respond with "So you're not just a bastard, but a royal bastard?" Alistair laughs and says something about having to use that line in the future. It is my favorite line in the game. His self-deprecating sense of humor is so touching, that my approval rating shoots up a +10 every time.

[Fault Girl]

He's just perfect!

[Giggles_Manically]

Um in my last game he killed Loghain and pretty much nominated himself.

[thegreateski]

Indeed. Alistair grows a backbone if you can manipulate him the right way.

[ejoslin]

thegreateski wrote...

Indeed. Alistair grows a backbone if you can manipulate him the right way.

Water on my keyboard.  DAMMIT!

[Addai]

dream_operator23 wrote...

The part that always touches me about Alistair is if you ask him about Duncan at the Ostagar camp, he says that Duncan was the first person to care what he wanted. Of course Alistair is being really naive here; Duncan recruited him because he needed good Grey Wardens and Alistair fit the bill. It didn't have anything to do with what Alistair wanted. Alistair's need for someone to care about him gets to me every time. I will always give him that.

The VO notes for Duncan indicate a fatherly, affectionate demeanor towards Alistair.  Alistair wasn't being naive.  That line is very .  Of course, you can get it after you're already in a relationship with him (as my PC does here), so it's also pretty emo of him.

Have you read The Calling?  We might find out someday that Duncan knew about Alistair all along... though that remains to be seen in the Maker's time. 

Here is a question, how do the players that care about Alistair and what he wants put him on the throne? I've done it too, but I admit I put him on the throne for the good of Ferelden, not for himself. All Alistair wants is to be a Grey Warden and to fight by your side. Maybe some think it is good for Alistair to be king, it is good for his self-esteem. I always struggle with the decision though. I want Alistair to be king because he is a good king, but then I want to be the person that cares about what he wants at the same time. It's always a hard decision for me.

Hardened, he says in various contexts that he wants to be king.  He's not inherently ambitious, but he comes around to see that he can do some good in it.  I also see it as his right, and thinking back to Maric in The Stolen Throne, it just feels wrong not to make him king.  On my 1st playthrough where I made Anora sole ruler, I hated seeing Alistair disclaim the throne for himself and his heirs so much that I never did it again.  He should have been recognized and in the succession anyway.  I believe Cailan might have been thinking about making him his heir, which is why he insisted that Alistair be the one to go to the Tower.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 juin 2010 - 01:42 .

[pudi0072000]

dream_operator23 wrote...
Here is a question, how do the players that care about Alistair and what he wants put him on the throne? I've done it too, but I admit I put him on the throne for the good of Ferelden, not for himself. All Alistair wants is to be a Grey Warden and to fight by your side. Maybe some think it is good for Alistair to be king, it is good for his self-esteem. I always struggle with the decision though. I want Alistair to be king because he is a good king, but then I want to be the person that cares about what he wants at the same time. It's always a hard decision for me.

I tend to not put him on the throne, because even when he's hardened, he'll admit that he only wants to be King so that someone will take the blight serisouly. When you ask him about it back at camp, he'll say that it's better Anora than him. Alistair truly does only want to be a Grey Warden, so I'm more than happy to let him. Anora seems to do a fine job on her own anyway. Let the guy do what he wants for once.

[OldMan91]

It's funny how people say he has no "backbone" because he doesn't originally want to be king. I ask myself, what would I do in such circumstances? It's as if my uncle decided that I should become the manager of our family business and I had no say whatsoever in it. I too would be pretty reluctant, if not angry.

And in the end you can make Alistair be king, hardened or otherwise. I'd say he's got more backbone than many of the posters denouncing him.

Modifié par OldMan91, 25 juin 2010 - 01:45 .

[ashez2ashes]

dream_operator23 wrote...

 Of course Alistair is being really naive here; Duncan recruited him because he needed good Grey Wardens and Alistair fit the bill. It didn't have anything to do with what Alistair wanted.

Eh, I used to think that before reading The Calling.  If Alistair is really Fiona's son, then he recruited him specifically because Alistair was unhappy.  Heh, and if he is the same baby from The Calling, Eamon has a very strong elven mage very very angry with him back in the Anderfels.

Modifié par ashez2ashes, 25 juin 2010 - 03:11 .

[Dawnielle]

One word. Chivalry.

Its what some women want. Alot of women. Just to scared to admit it.

A true Gentleman is worth his weight in Gold.

[Dawnielle]

OldMan91 wrote...

It's funny how people say he has no "backbone" because he doesn't originally want to be king. I ask myself, what would I do in such circumstances? It's as if my uncle decided that I should become the manager of our family business and I had no say whatsoever in it. I too would be pretty reluctant, if not angry.

And in the end you can make Alistair be king, hardened or otherwise. I'd say he's got more backbone than many of the posters denouncing him.

Yes Old Man,
So very true!

[Xandurpein]

Dawnielle wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

It's funny how people say he has no "backbone" because he doesn't originally want to be king. I ask myself, what would I do in such circumstances? It's as if my uncle decided that I should become the manager of our family business and I had no say whatsoever in it. I too would be pretty reluctant, if not angry.

And in the end you can make Alistair be king, hardened or otherwise. I'd say he's got more backbone than many of the posters denouncing him.

Yes Old Man,
So very true!

Actually the main complaints some people have about Alistair is that:
(A)  He is to submissive and has no backbone.
( He refuses to do as the PC wants, if the PC wants to pardon Loghain.

But isn't ( exactly what they claimed that Alistair didn't do enough, when they whined about (A)?

[nos_astra]

Xandurpein wrote...
Actually the main complaints some people have about Alistair is that:
(A)  He is to submissive and has no backbone.
( He refuses to do as the PC wants, if the PC wants to pardon Loghain.

But isn't ( exactly what they claimed that Alistair didn't do enough, when they whined about (A)?

They want him to disapprove if you're too nice but follow you (grudgingly) anyway because you are just superior.
They want him to approve if you're totally badass and follow you (enthusiastically) anyway because you're just superior.

So basically they want him to be an alpha male type they can win over by being clearly awesome. (And some of the women want a guy who thinks he dominates them, obvlivious to the fact that they are secretly dominating him, including the promise to twu wuv them 'til the end of time.)

Does this make sense?

Modifié par klarabella, 25 juin 2010 - 11:03 .

[Xandurpein]

klarabella wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
Actually the main complaints some people have about Alistair is that:
(A)  He is to submissive and has no backbone.
( He refuses to do as the PC wants, if the PC wants to pardon Loghain.

But isn't ( exactly what they claimed that Alistair didn't do enough, when they whined about (A)?

They want him to disapprove if you're too nice but follow you (grudgingly) anyway because you are just superior.
They want him to approve if you're totally badass and follow you (enthusiastically) anyway because you're just superior.

So basically they want him to be an alpha male type they can win over by being clearly awesome. (And some of the women want a guy who thinks he dominates them, obvlivious to the fact that they are secretly dominating him, including the promise to twu wuv them 'til the end of time.)

Does this make sense?

Indeed it does. He must be totally badass in a way the makes the PC even more badass, as he is his leader.

[Giggles_Manically]

I just did the Landsmeet and watched Alistair pull of fatality on Loghain, and demand the throne. That was badass, if a little suprising guess he can make up his own mind if hardened. Although a S&S fight between those two took forever.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just did the Landsmeet and watched Alistair pull of fatality on Loghain, and demand the throne. That was badass, if a little suprising guess he can make up his own mind if hardened. Although a S&S fight between those two took forever.

Look on the bright side, you can go get a cup of coffee in between the wind-up and hit. 

DW FTW

[LadyDamodred]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just did the Landsmeet and watched Alistair pull of fatality on Loghain, and demand the throne. That was badass, if a little suprising guess he can make up his own mind if hardened. Although a S&S fight between those two took forever.

I don't understand why it takes some people so long.  *frowns*  My fights almost always go pretty quick.

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just did the Landsmeet and watched Alistair pull of fatality on Loghain, and demand the throne. That was badass, if a little suprising guess he can make up his own mind if hardened. Although a S&S fight between those two took forever.

Look on the bright side, you can go get a cup of coffee in between the wind-up and hit. 

DW FTW

Seriously that took forever! luckily I packed a hell of a lot of healing things for Alistair because Loghain can hit like a dragon.  I think it would be a pretty epic battle like in Narnia two's Peter and evil king duel though.  Although half way through I did heal him and go to get a muffin my mom had just baked, good times.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just did the Landsmeet and watched Alistair pull of fatality on Loghain, and demand the throne. That was badass, if a little suprising guess he can make up his own mind if hardened. Although a S&S fight between those two took forever.

I don't understand why it takes some people so long.  *frowns*  My fights almost always go pretty quick.

Compared to a DW opponent and especially a rogue, it takes forever.  Rogues have more armor penetration and Loghain can't resist your stun attack, whereas he can counter pretty much everything a warrior with similar setup to his own has.

[Giggles_Manically]

Cant counter a Two Hander though, its not how many times you hit, but how hard you hit. Having six massive attacks and then going berserk makes short work out of any boss.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just did the Landsmeet and watched Alistair pull of fatality on Loghain, and demand the throne. That was badass, if a little suprising guess he can make up his own mind if hardened. Although a S&S fight between those two took forever.

I don't understand why it takes some people so long.  *frowns*  My fights almost always go pretty quick.

Compared to a DW opponent and especially a rogue, it takes forever.  Rogues have more armor penetration and Loghain can't resist your stun attack, whereas he can counter pretty much everything a warrior with similar setup to his own has.

I fight the battle all the time with S&S and it takes less than a minute.  I have an occassional battle where that doesn't work out, but I'd say >90% of the time, it's over super quick.