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[Addai]

David Gaider wrote...

Loria232 wrote...
 well i don't understand  obsession with Morrigan , i mean really ,such a b*****

Oh, that's easier to explain than you'd think.

It's not the looks so much, or even the voice (though both of those things do help, giving her an exotic flavor that many men like a lot). From what I've gathered, the reason many male players fall hard for Morrigan is because she has that hard, hard shell. She pushes the player away and wants nothing to do with love, but when that shell starts to crack he starts to think that maybe he can reach her. Maybe he can save her, bring out that vulnerable side she only rarely shows and which she would never even admit to.

There are certain fantasies that romances cater to, and Morrigan has hers just as Alistair does. It's never going to appeal to everyone, but it certainly doesn't happen by accident.

LOL  So damn honest.

It's like asking what's inside a sausage.  You just don't want to know.  Stick with the smoky, meaty, perfectly grilled illusion and leave the ingredients to the butcher.  I mean, author.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Alistair is just more emotional, period. He is head over heart, all the way. Reason and rationality do not figure much into his descision making, which, I find interesting and refreshing from a male lead.

And I find it irritating. But tastes, all tastes

Yes, tastes indeed. Plus, generally, Alpha males tend to hold the more sensitive, emotional, and passive males with a certain contempt. It's one of those natural things.  Humans are pack animals, in general, and Alistair, personalitywise, is an omega, or close to it.

I dislike being around overly emotional people in most cases, and usually hold such things with contempt. However, when it comes to a love interest, it's very different. I like the balance it provides, an opposite possessing everything I lack.

Some women prefer dominant or more "tough guy" males, some prefer bad boys, ect. Like men, female tastes vary widely.

[Herr Uhl]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Yes, tastes indeed. Plus, generally, Alpha males tend to hold the more sensitive, emotional, and passive males with a certain contempt. It's one of those natural things.  Humans are pack animals, in general, and Alistair, personalitywise, is an omega, or close to it.

Omega male, that is a new concept to me. I have learned something new today at least.

[Axekix]

Vicious wrote...

Basically he's what most women want in a guy.

He's a handsome do-gooder who is funny and yet stupid at the same time.

Womenfolk like good looking nice guys who make them laugh, yet are easily bossed around.

This really should've ended the thread.  Perfect analysis

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Yes, tastes indeed. Plus, generally, Alpha males tend to hold the more sensitive, emotional, and passive males with a certain contempt. It's one of those natural things.  Humans are pack animals, in general, and Alistair, personalitywise, is an omega, or close to it.

Omega male, that is a new concept to me. I have learned something new today at least.

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

[Lintanis]

 He can be told what to do and he will do it and wont argue or answer back .  You can tell he is not real 

[Miri1984]

Lintanis wrote...

 He can be told what to do and he will do it and wont argue or answer back .  You can tell he is not real 

SPOILER

Try intimidating the revered mother in Lothering with him in your party - you'll see there are some things he WILL NOT do.

[Herr Uhl]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

I wonder why those terms are so rarely used on females.

[Kryyptehk]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

I wonder why those terms are so rarely used on females.

Because all women are Alpha females to some degree.

[Axekix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Yes, tastes indeed. Plus, generally, Alpha males tend to hold the more sensitive, emotional, and passive males with a certain contempt. It's one of those natural things.  Humans are pack animals, in general, and Alistair, personalitywise, is an omega, or close to it.

Omega male, that is a new concept to me. I have learned something new today at least.

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

You know, I think I like that classification.  Alistair, the omega male.  It has a nice ring to it

[Giggles_Manically]

I can show where attraction comes from for girls since my two sisters romanced him.

i.e. I have the better scenes courtesy of tmp, and esalijns dialouge fix.



My one sister liked him for his humor, his looks, and how he actually showed emotions without shame.



My other sister liked him because she was a mage and she hid behind him and Shale all the time. So she actually thought of him as protective and sweet.



Alistair it seems is very deep and shows many sides that attract girls. Also he has a rockin bod according to one of them.

[errant_knight]

Axekix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Yes, tastes indeed. Plus, generally, Alpha males tend to hold the more sensitive, emotional, and passive males with a certain contempt. It's one of those natural things.  Humans are pack animals, in general, and Alistair, personalitywise, is an omega, or close to it.

Omega male, that is a new concept to me. I have learned something new today at least.

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

You know, I think I like that classification.  Alistair, the omega male.  It has a nice ring to it

Doesn't work for me. He feels too free to call you on things, and can develop too intense a hatred for your actions. If he was really omega, he'd be more accepting.

I give up on trying to keep this thread on track, and since the last thing I'm interested in participating in is another 'why does Alistair suck/not suck' thread, I shall call it quits.

[Maria13]

errant_knight wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Yes, tastes indeed. Plus, generally, Alpha males tend to hold the more sensitive, emotional, and passive males with a certain contempt. It's one of those natural things.  Humans are pack animals, in general, and Alistair, personalitywise, is an omega, or close to it.

Omega male, that is a new concept to me. I have learned something new today at least.

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

You know, I think I like that classification.  Alistair, the omega male.  It has a nice ring to it

Doesn't work for me. He feels too free to call you on things, and can develop too intense a hatred for your actions. If he was really omega, he'd be more accepting.

I give up on trying to keep this thread on track, and since the last thing I'm interested in participating in is another 'why does Alistair suck/not suck' thread, I shall call it quits.

I always saw Alistair as a beta, not top male, not the most dominant, but a good reasonable and capable second in command.  I'm thinking more in terms of "Brave New World" rather than wolf packs.  He has the ability to act out the alpha role if hardened but that will always place him under stress.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

I wonder why those terms are so rarely used on females.

Because all women are Alpha females to some degree.

Because we are above such mere classifications. We ARE the natural order.

[Herr Uhl]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Well, if wolf packs have Alpha, beta, and omega ranked wolves, and humans often use the term Alpha male for a dominant head male, I don't see why lower ranking people can't carry the same archetypes.

I wonder why those terms are so rarely used on females.

Because all women are Alpha females to some degree.

Because we are above such mere classifications. We ARE the natural order.

*rolls eyes*

Whatever you say ladies.

[Merilsell]

Axekix wrote...
You know, I think I like that classification.  Alistair, the omega male.  It has a nice ring to it

Yeah I think so too.

Urban Dictionary:

The polar opposite of the Alpha Male. Omega Males can have friends and close acquaintances but prefer to accomplish things on their own without the help of a group. Omega Males generally don't belong to any cliques and have no desire to be the leader or most outstanding of said clique. Omega Males have relations with people from all groups and carry a resourcefulness and cunning (sometimes strength) to get a job done with their own skill. This being said, an omega male can have great pride without it manifesting as "ego."

(There are always exceptions. An Alpha Male MUST absolutely be perceived by his peers as the toughest, most popular, and smartest. An Omega Male cares little for this recognition...but knows that he is all those things and more. Alpha males must have the support of his "boys." This can be the foundation for many shallow and superficial relationships.

An Omega Male needs support from time to time, but has few true friends who know him intimately and generally shuns shallow acquaintences. Two sides of the same coin....both being very effective in accomplishing goal.

Alistair an omega male? I like that description.

Modifié par Merilsell, 09 juin 2010 - 09:17 .

[the_one_54321]

And Urban Dictionary demonstrates once again how it is BS. Hilarious, but BS.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Maria13 wrote...


I always saw Alistair as a beta, not top male, not the most dominant, but a good reasonable and capable second in command.  I'm thinking more in terms of "Brave New World" rather than wolf packs.  He has the ability to act out the alpha role if hardened but that will always place him under stress.

Brave New World is more a tightly engineered situation, difficult to reconcile with the chaos that is humanity.

 Rank in packs have as much to do with ambition and aggressive drive as strength. Alistair lacks that kind of aggression or ambition, unless you harden him. Even hardened, Alistair just isn't an Alpha. 

He does have some beta characteristics, and while he isn't completely agreeable on everything, he is not terribly assertive, something that betas usually are.

I do not consider omega to be a position that is weak or submissive, but a position for one lacking the ambition and desire to get ahead. they actually can be the more independant members of the pack. Top dog is a position with a relatively short span, since once there, one must fight the betas beneath to keep that position.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Merilsell wrote...

Axekix wrote...
You know, I think I like that classification.  Alistair, the omega male.  It has a nice ring to it

Yeah I think so too.

Urban Dictionary:

The polar opposite of the Alpha Male. Omega Males can have friends and close acquaintances but prefer to accomplish things on their own without the help of a group. Omega Males generally don't belong to any cliques and have no desire to be the leader or most outstanding of said clique. Omega Males have relations with people from all groups and carry a resourcefulness and cunning (sometimes strength) to get a job done with their own skill. This being said, an omega male can have great pride without it manifesting as "ego."

(There are always exceptions. An Alpha Male MUST absolutely be perceived by his peers as the toughest, most popular, and smartest. An Omega Male cares little for this recognition...but knows that he is all those things and more. Alpha males must have the support of his "boys." This can be the foundation for many shallow and superficial relationships.

An Omega Male needs support from time to time, but has few true friends who know him intimately and generally shuns shallow acquaintences. Two sides of the same coin....both being very effective in accomplishing goal.

Alistair an omega male? I like that description.

Ahhhh, thank you for posting that. Really does explain it better.

[LadyDamodred]

Oh, dear.  *quietly covers her sig to prevent embarrassment*

Before I say anything, let me acknowledge that, yes, I am an unabashed fangirl.  I very rarely fangirl over things, and when I started playing DA, this hit me out of the blue.  Let me explain why I love him so much, and others are free to agree or disagree as they wish.

As a player, I find Alistair pretty awesome because he works so well from a roleplaying perspective.  As errant_knight said, you can take Alistair and sort of mold him in the direction you want.  I will clarify this by saying I do not think of it controlling him or bossing him around.  I consider it more that in your PC's travels with him, he comes into his own for who and what he is supposed to be, regardless of what exactly that is.  He can be many things.  He's a great compliment/foil to a wide range of characters, and I appreciate that immensely.  *tips hat and bows to Mr. Gaider*

As for when I'm playing my characters, there are a number of things that are appealing about him.  He's funny, snarky, charming and witty.  Whether I'm playing as a lover or friend, he is appealing on all of those levels.  In a relationship with him, he's sweet, awkward and, if you let him take the lead, willing to go after what he wants.  I like that aspect of his personality: that he's fairly laid-back, until he finds something he really wants, and then he's willing to take risks on it.  I know other LIs so that as well, but none of them just kiss my PC without waiting for an okay.

I also love the fact that, like all the LI's, he is flawed.  Perfect people are not interesting, and my two favorite characters (Alistair and Zevran) are simultaneously the most awesome and most flawed.  It's great as a player to see that, and it keeps me engaged throughout mulitple play throughs.

That being said, Alistair can also be incredibly infuriating, and I think at some point everyone has thrown up their hands and yelled at their screens "Goddamnit, Alistair!"  And for some reason, Alistair fangirls love him even more for that.  Wander over the gush thread and observe the disturbing high amount of love given to Angry Alistair.  We are bad, bad people, and enjoy tormenting him because he is so hot when he is angry.

Oh, yes.  And there's that.  Alistair is hot.  *dashes off to DA, strips Alistair, throws the Thane Helmet on him and goes off in search of darkspawn to kill*

[Axekix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Axekix wrote...
You know, I think I like that classification.  Alistair, the omega male.  It has a nice ring to it

Yeah I think so too.

Urban Dictionary:

The polar opposite of the Alpha Male. Omega Males can have friends and close acquaintances but prefer to accomplish things on their own without the help of a group. Omega Males generally don't belong to any cliques and have no desire to be the leader or most outstanding of said clique. Omega Males have relations with people from all groups and carry a resourcefulness and cunning (sometimes strength) to get a job done with their own skill. This being said, an omega male can have great pride without it manifesting as "ego."

(There are always exceptions. An Alpha Male MUST absolutely be perceived by his peers as the toughest, most popular, and smartest. An Omega Male cares little for this recognition...but knows that he is all those things and more. Alpha males must have the support of his "boys." This can be the foundation for many shallow and superficial relationships.

An Omega Male needs support from time to time, but has few true friends who know him intimately and generally shuns shallow acquaintences. Two sides of the same coin....both being very effective in accomplishing goal.

Alistair an omega male? I like that description.

Ahhhh, thank you for posting that. Really does explain it better.

As far as Alistair is concerned that definition is very hit or miss...

[Merilsell]

It is fitting for Alistair. Simple as that.



Great post L.D. I couldn't agree more

[Maria13]

I really don't understand why us females actually still bother to respond to threads like this. We're just being set up so the guys can patronize us like they always do, tell us how wrong we are, what we really want and what we should want. The funny thing, of course, is if they were actually so clever and knew so much about the female of the species as they claim, they really wouldn't have to flaunt it here.

[exorzist]

Thank y'all for the comments. I hope you liked the article