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[staldore13]

slimgrin wrote...

Tali says she wants to connect suits with fem shep. All the proof you need. Of course, if Samara is willing, Tali will have to wait.

well that isnt always sexual Tali says so herself
Shala'Raan connected suits with Tali's mother once
you calling her lesbian too
its a diferent culture dont pretend to understand it

[Sand King]

Looks like I had a positive effect on this thread.

[Lougi]

slimgrin wrote...

staldore13 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Tali says she wants to connect suits with fem shep. All the proof you need. Of course, if Samara is willing, Tali will have to wait.

well that isnt always sexual Tali says so herself
Shala'Raan connected suits with Tali's mother once
you calling her lesbian too
its a diferent culture dont pretend to understand it

Its a fictional culture, and I sensed the inflections in Tali's voice when she proffered her suit. Sure, its all about being 'friends' at first, suit connecting that is. But then my air tube accidentally rubs against hers, and one thing leads to another, and in half an hour we're smoking side by side, bacteria be damned.   

Haha. Well put, well put.

[hangmans tree]

Someone made a lot of sense writing its males who play as females that want Tali as LI(sbian) for their heterosexual gain.



So who are they...cross-dressers?

[staldore13]

slimgrin wrote...

staldore13 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Tali says she wants to connect suits with fem shep. All the proof you need. Of course, if Samara is willing, Tali will have to wait.

well that isnt always sexual Tali says so herself
Shala'Raan connected suits with Tali's mother once
you calling her lesbian too
its a diferent culture dont pretend to understand it

Its a fictional culture, and I sensed the inflections in Tali's voice when she proffered her suit. Sure, its all about being 'friends' at first, suit connecting that is. But then my air tube accidentally rubs against hers, and one thing leads to another, and in half an hour we're smoking side by side, bacteria be damned.   

yes its a fictional culture but the best fictional culture i cant really understand
Bacteria be Damned?
in that situation if bacteria was somehow be involved they would be in the hospital
you have no idea what linking suits actually means as it is never clearly said HOW they do it
and since there is no way right now to comfirm your theory i believe what the game tells me in that it is a sign of trust not always sexual
i remain unconvince
and please tell me how she sounded because i think i have an answer for that too

[Terror_K]

It took Tali over a whole game before she admitted her crush on a male Shepard, so I wouldn't be surprised if it took her another one to admit perhaps having a crush on a female one. Perhaps she was unsure of her feelings because of Shepard being a human and because she was so young during the first game, so it might take her time to sort out her feelings because Shepard is also female over the course of the second game.



Or perhaps I'm just being hopeful that she'll be open to Femsheps in ME3 and because of the seemingly somewhat suggestive nature of her comments to Femshep about suit-linking after doing her loyalty mission. But it could work that the actions of the first game had Tali develop a crush on MaleShep and the actions of helping her out with her trial in ME2 might make her start to feel something for Femshep.

[this isnt my name]

Terror_K wrote...

It took Tali over a whole game before she admitted her crush on a male Shepard, so I wouldn't be surprised if it took her another one to admit perhaps having a crush on a female one. Perhaps she was unsure of her feelings because of Shepard being a human and because she was so young during the first game, so it might take her time to sort out her feelings because Shepard is also female over the course of the second game.

Or perhaps I'm just being hopeful that she'll be open to Femsheps in ME3 and because of the seemingly somewhat suggestive nature of her comments to Femshep about suit-linking after doing her loyalty mission. But it could work that the actions of the first game had Tali develop a crush on MaleShep and the actions of helping her out with her trial in ME2 might make her start to feel something for Femshep.

This really pisses me off, suit linking is not about sex, its a different culture, you are using your interpritation of it, why are so many people going "oh she said linking suits, yeah she totally wants to **** my shep." Its like going "OMG that girl looked in my general direction, im getting laid tonight" seriously your making a big deal out of nothing, and the nothing is something you have no understanding of to begin with. If tali went for girls in ME2 fine, but imo changing her now would just be cheap, trying to appease all the guys who play as girls hoping to see girl on girl.

[Terror_K]

this isnt my name wrote...

This really pisses me off, suit linking is not about sex, its a different culture, you are using your interpritation of it, why are so many people going "oh she said linking suits, yeah she totally wants to **** my shep." Its like going "OMG that girl looked in my general direction, im getting laid tonight" seriously your making a big deal out of nothing, and the nothing is something you have no understanding of to begin with. If tali went for girls in ME2 fine, but imo changing her now would just be cheap, trying to appease all the guys who play as girls hoping to see girl on girl. 

No, it's not. But it's not what she says so much as the way she says it. It's in the same tone and manner as a lot of the romance dialogue that only Maleshep sees. Admittedly, this may be because its the last remnant of remaining dialogue from the otherwise cut Femshep romance stuff.

And considering I invest a lot of time and effort into learning the Mass Effect lore, particularly the quarian stuff given that I'm writing a story based around a quarian, then to say I have "no understanding" of things is quite frankly bogus. Again, I'm well aware that linking suits doesn't automatically mean something sexual, that's pretty damn clear. But Tali's general attitude and manner during the conversation about it came across as more than just friendliness. Again... could just be because it was leftover stuff from the cut romance.

Also, if Tali were to only be a Femshep romance option in the third game, it wouldn't necessarily be changing her. Its not uncommon for a once straight person to suddenly find themselves attracted to a member of the same sex because they find themselves attracted to the person involved and not the gender they have, if you get me.

[staldore13]

Terror_K wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

This really pisses me off, suit linking is not about sex, its a different culture, you are using your interpritation of it, why are so many people going "oh she said linking suits, yeah she totally wants to **** my shep." Its like going "OMG that girl looked in my general direction, im getting laid tonight" seriously your making a big deal out of nothing, and the nothing is something you have no understanding of to begin with. If tali went for girls in ME2 fine, but imo changing her now would just be cheap, trying to appease all the guys who play as girls hoping to see girl on girl. 

No, it's not. But it's not what she says so much as the way she says it. It's in the same tone and manner as a lot of the romance dialogue that only Maleshep sees. Admittedly, this may be because its the last remnant of remaining dialogue from the otherwise cut Femshep romance stuff.

And considering I invest a lot of time and effort into learning the Mass Effect lore, particularly the quarian stuff given that I'm writing a story based around a quarian, then to say I have "no understanding" of things is quite frankly bogus. Again, I'm well aware that linking suits doesn't automatically mean something sexual, that's pretty damn clear. But Tali's general attitude and manner during the conversation about it came across as more than just friendliness. Again... could just be because it was leftover stuff from the cut romance.

Also, if Tali were to only be a Femshep romance option in the third game, it wouldn't necessarily be changing her. Its not uncommon for a once straight person to suddenly find themselves attracted to a member of the same sex because they find themselves attracted to the person involved and not the gender they have, if you get me.

all the conversations for both genders are identical until you start DIRECTLY talking about romance
Tali included
it was just an accident by bioware all dialouge lines only have a single version
Liara says the exact same thing wether you female or male
tali is like that right up until she talks about suit linking

[Stanley Woo]

Let's keep the juvenile snickering out of the discussion, please. Thank you.

[Cootie]

Let's just call Tali's sexuality Subject To Change and play nice, yes?

Besides, it's not like it's much of a problem if she is, is it? O.o

[Wiggs Magee]

Wo wo wo lets rein in the horses... at what point does she hint she is either a lesbian or Bisexual?

[Cootie]

I have yet to see any Mass Effect character with the exception of Kelly actually come out and state "I like this and this."

Which makes it very subjective to say that a character is straight or otherwise. What strikes me as odd is how this is even an issue. I mean, does it make her suddenly unavailable if she is in fact bisexual? O.o

[KalosCast]

Wiggs Magee wrote...

Wo wo wo lets rein in the horses... at what point does she hint she is either a lesbian or Bisexual?

It's not that she says she is, it's that the difference between her conversation options for FemShep and ManShep is that after the "sync suit environments" comment, ManShep can pursue that as her being attracted to him, whereas FemShep can't. It's all the same dialog up to that point. Also, Talifans are some creepy mother****ers.

[AlanC9]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Oh slimgrin I am disapointed.  That article is from CNN, that means it is already invalid.

Too right-wing?

[janeym27]

It's really difficult to have character discussion in a no spoilers forum. I'm just saying.



Because this is a fictional universe, there can be a lot of subjectivity employed in how the characters are read, especially in instences where their sexual preferences aren't exactly laid flat on the table. Tali's interactions in ME1 lead me to believe that she had a crush on SHEPARD - both M and F. She wasn't an LI at that point, so it really didn't matter. When she was an LI in ME2 and not availab le for FemShep, I thought it was a bit odd, but BW do whatever they wanna do. I think the whole thing is particualrly an issue for Tali because a good few of her interactions come over as flirty (or more) with both Shepards. Actually, the non LI dialogue with her in ME2 playing as FemShep feels like you have an unfinished character relationship going on, moreso than for any other IMO. But since we can't get into specifics without spoilers, that's all I can really say.



But, yes. Subjectivity. And why does it matter? No idea. I guess those of us who percieved her as crushing on FemShep in ME1 would have liked the oppertunity to see that play out. Why does it matter to so many people that she only be percived as 'straight'? As Cootie says: would this somehow make her unavailable? Actually, if I'd had the foresight ot quote before posting this, Cootie's entire post!

[this isnt my name]

staldore13 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

This really pisses me off, suit linking is not about sex, its a different culture, you are using your interpritation of it, why are so many people going "oh she said linking suits, yeah she totally wants to **** my shep." Its like going "OMG that girl looked in my general direction, im getting laid tonight" seriously your making a big deal out of nothing, and the nothing is something you have no understanding of to begin with. If tali went for girls in ME2 fine, but imo changing her now would just be cheap, trying to appease all the guys who play as girls hoping to see girl on girl. 

No, it's not. But it's not what she says so much as the way she says it. It's in the same tone and manner as a lot of the romance dialogue that only Maleshep sees. Admittedly, this may be because its the last remnant of remaining dialogue from the otherwise cut Femshep romance stuff.

And considering I invest a lot of time and effort into learning the Mass Effect lore, particularly the quarian stuff given that I'm writing a story based around a quarian, then to say I have "no understanding" of things is quite frankly bogus. Again, I'm well aware that linking suits doesn't automatically mean something sexual, that's pretty damn clear. But Tali's general attitude and manner during the conversation about it came across as more than just friendliness. Again... could just be because it was leftover stuff from the cut romance.

Also, if Tali were to only be a Femshep romance option in the third game, it wouldn't necessarily be changing her. Its not uncommon for a once straight person to suddenly find themselves attracted to a member of the same sex because they find themselves attracted to the person involved and not the gender they have, if you get me.

all the conversations for both genders are identical until you start DIRECTLY talking about romance
Tali included
it was just an accident by bioware all dialouge lines only have a single version
Liara says the exact same thing wether you female or male
tali is like that right up until she talks about suit linking

This, sorry but its more likely that there was no cut tali fem shep romance, and the fact that the lines are the same from M/F shep is to save resources and not record extra dialouge, her dialouge like stated is the same for both genders, and its not part of her romance dialouge anyway, which is the only dialouge that is exclusive to male sheps, so it still has no prrof or no reason to hint that tali is lesbian/bi.

Cootie wrote...

Let's just call Tali's sexuality Subject To Change and play nice, yes?
Besides, it's not like it's much of a problem if she is, is it? O.o

I have no issue with characters being gay/bi or anything. I do have an issue when a character goes from being into one gender to both, it feels like the character was just like that to apease fans, and why should it be tali ? Why not miranda, jacob, garrus, thane it just opens up more complaints soon everyone is bi and its not like that irl, it cheapens a character when everyone is dating anyone. And by using the OPs logic Jacob wanted to spill some drinks so I guess he wants to date my male shep then. No its clutching at straws.

[Cootie]

As far as "When a character goes from something to something else" goes, it doesn't really work that way. Given the fact that it is a fictional universe and you only percieve Tali as straight, you could be wrong. Even if she is straight at some point, what if character development leads to her realising she's not truly straight?

It's most oftenly called development. I'm all for a possibly gay romance with Tali. But to some degree, I have to agree that if it's very "forced" or tacky, it loses its charm.
If it's done well and if they'd just included it from the start, I'm sure no one would've complained.

[Raanz]

Why does every popular female in the game have to be bi? I'm pretty sure she is not because Bioware writer said "Tali likes males".

[FlyingWalrus]

Because even the chicks want her.

I don't care all that much, but it would be nice.