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[GreenDragon37]

Sorry if this is a long read, but I have a lot to say. Even though the Batarians in ME 2 were not as bad they were in ME (and boy were they cruel), I still don't trust nor like their entire race. For one thing my Main Shep is a War Hero, and knows how Batarians are willing to make Humanity's lives a living hell. They blame Humanity for the situation that they are in now when it clearly was their fault. Rather than negotiate on favors at least favorable for both sides, they wanted a situation that only worked for them: they wanted the Council to declare the Skillian Verge an area of Batarian interest. When the Council refused, the Batarians threw a hissy fit, attacked Humans, and when the Humans planned to counter this, the Batarians ran to the Council for help. The Council refused to do so, after all it was the Batarians whom had attacked first. Angered by this, the Batarians did the "mature" thing: they closed down their embassy and became a rogue state.

After that, they have become pirates, slavers, and terrorists. They brutalized the colony of Mindoir, and attacked Elysium. When Elysium failed (thanks to my Shep), the counter-strike occured on Torfan, which I believed the Batarians deserved. During ME, the Batarians have done nothing to show if they have changed. Balak was an example of this, and even though Charn and his men were there for "just a quick slave grab", they were still planing to take slaves, they were still in the wrong. So I killed them. And even though I let Balak go because I felt that I couldn't sacrifice the X-57 crew, I vowed to hunt him down and kill him.

In ME 2, you see a "lighter side" to Batarians. Most of the ones you meet appear to be mercs working for the Blue Suns, an organization runned by and filled with Humans. However, the mission where you have to save the sacrifice the colonists or the industrial center was an example that they are still performing terrorist activities. The one's on Omega are still anti-Human, of course.  Also, if you remember Jacob's mission on his own stand alone game (I forgot the name, but Jacob did mention it in ME 2) the Batarians were plotting to assasinate the Council in the midst of discussing peace between the Batarian Hedgemony and the Council!

That is why I hate the Batarians. They are so blided by their hate that they cannot move on, even though that had forced themselves into exile in the first place. They have commited horrible acts against Humanity, and this is not easily forgiveable. That is why I won't be sorry to see them perish when the Reapers invade. I probably won't even lift a finger to help. 

Does anyone else feel this way? What are your oppinions on the Batarians after ME 2?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 09 juin 2010 - 02:48 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well Batarians were definately shown as negative. However I didn't get the same feeling as I got with the Batarians in ME 1 or the bartender in ME 2 with regards to Sulky and Cathka. For the most part they fit the bill but most of them were criminals and most of the criminals and mercs were shown in a harsh light.



The ones with the Blue Suns seem to have their priorities in a different place than say the Bartender did

[GreenDragon37]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well Batarians were definately shown as negative. However I didn't get the same feeling as I got with the Batarians in ME 1 or the bartender in ME 2 with regards to Sulky and Cathka. For the most part they fit the bill but most of them were criminals and most of the criminals and mercs were shown in a harsh light.

The ones with the Blue Suns seem to have their priorities in a different place than say the Bartender did

I can see your point. But I still don't think that the Batarians are ready for forgiveness, and I'm mostly a Paragon! I just won't shed a tear when I see them wiped out by the Reapers.

[Inthatplace]

You're only seeing what they want you to see. Consider the fact that the only Batarians outside their space are criminals now, as clearly seen with Balak.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

For the most part they seem like scum bags

[GreenDragon37]

Inthatplace wrote...

You're only seeing what they want you to see. Consider the fact that the only Batarians outside their space are criminals now, as clearly seen with Balak.

But even their government members have tried to commit acts against the Council (Jacob's small Mass Effect game). They have proven to be too untrustworthy so far.

[Azint]

Because the batarians felt betrayed by the Council, they set a self-imposed quarantine on their own world. The only batarians that actively leave are the criminals, terrorists and such. And because all we ever get to see are the rotten ones in the bunch, people make assumptions. I think it was also mentioned that they glorifly the slave trade, but I don't remember if it is part of their culture, or if that too is what the criminals do.

You are pretty much judging an entire race based on the individuals you have personally seen. It is an understandable reaction, but still not a the most rational attitude to take.

Also this:

Modifié par Azint, 09 juin 2010 - 02:01 .

[GreenDragon37]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

For the most part they seem like scum bags

Indeed they do, indeed they do.

[huntrrz]

Yes, I think it's the Codex entries for Bring Down the Sky that describe the Batarians, and their society is completely controlled by the state. The average Batarian only knows what the government tells them, so they all "know" that humans are despicable exploiters that deserve any injury they can manage to inflict.



The average Batarian is just struggling to get by and raise their family, just like anybody else.

[Heimdall]

Being a colonist war hero, my Shepard really doesn't have terribly high opinions on the species. But being a for the most part consistent Paragon (He took a few renegade interrupts, I'll admit) he'll give individuals a chance provided they don't shoot at him first

[NKKKK]

huntrrz wrote...

Yes, I think it's the Codex entries for Bring Down the Sky that describe the Batarians, and their society is completely controlled by the state. The average Batarian only knows what the government tells them, so they all "know" that humans are despicable exploiters that deserve any injury they can manage to inflict.

The average Batarian is just struggling to get by and raise their family, just like anybody else.

This, they believe that humans are scumbags. You can change that perception to a couple of them in the game.

Let me ask you this OP, if in Mass Effect 1, Wrex didn't exist, do you think you would have shown sympathy for them in Mass Effect 1?

Modifié par NKKKK, 09 juin 2010 - 02:07 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

NKKK



Man whats up with that

[GreenDragon37]

Azint wrote...

Because the batarians felt betrayed by the Council, they set a self-imposed quarantine on their own world. The only batarians that actively leave are the criminals, terrorists and such. And because all we ever get to see are the rotten ones in the bunch, people make assumptions. I think it was also mentioned that they glorifly the slave trade, but I don't remember if it is part of their culture, or if that too is what the criminals do.

You are pretty much judging an entire race based on the individuals you have personally seen. It is an understandable reaction, but still not a the most rational attitude to take.

Also this:

OK. I am usually a pretty open-minded Paragon-like person. But so far, most of the Batarians that I have met have been slavers and scumbags and I don't really reguard them highly. It's just that so far I don't think that they deserve much trust.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 09 juin 2010 - 02:05 .

[Arijharn]

I dunno, you can't base the character of an entire species from interactions with a few individuals, ideally.



This is exactly what the sick Batarian is guilty of that you meet so close to the entrance of the Omega quarantine zone.

[NKKKK]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

NKKK

Man whats up with that

I'm trying to fix it

[Onyx Jaguar]

I've seen it before, I think you are just angering it.

[GreenDragon37]

Arijharn wrote...

I dunno, you can't base the character of an entire species from interactions with a few individuals, ideally.

This is exactly what the sick Batarian is guilty of that you meet so close to the entrance of the Omega quarantine zone.

OK, I admit that I let that Batarian live and he got help, but as a whole, their race hasn't proven worthy of trust. He only liked me 'cause I saved his life.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 09 juin 2010 - 02:49 .

[NKKKK]

I reported it, it's in the mods hands now.

Anyways, OP, you didn't answer my question.

edit: nvm

Modifié par NKKKK, 09 juin 2010 - 02:09 .

[GreenDragon37]

NKKKK wrote...

I reported it, it's in the mods hands now.

Anyways, OP, you didn't answer my question.

Who is them? The Krogan?

[NKKKK]

yes

[GreenDragon37]

NKKKK wrote...

yes

Ah, that is a good question. Probably, yes. Even before you met Wrex, if you go by that Krogan statue on the Citadel you are told how the Krogan were uplifted by the Salarians early and fought in a war which they had no buisiness being a part of. Mordin tells you this as well. I thought it was wrong then, and I still think that now.

But not meeting Wrex would have probably challenged my perceptions of them. It's just a good thing that Wrex was in ME 1, then.

[Yakko77]

Except for the tech specialist in Garrus's squad on Omega, (and even then we don't really know his true intentions) I too ahve seen little to redeem the Batarians. Maybe a future DLC or ME3 will show others who are not criminals and/or terrorists. Maybe a mission to help a Batarian peace movement or destroy it and continue a state of war with the Batarians.

[GreenDragon37]

Yakko77 wrote...

Except for the tech specialist in Garrus's squad on Omega, (and even then we don't really know his true intentions) I too ahve seen little to redeem the Batarians. Maybe a future DLC or ME3 will show others who are not criminals and/or terrorists. Maybe a mission to help a Batarian peace movement or destroy it and continue a state of war with the Batarians.

Yes. If I see that I may be inclined to change my mind. Actions speak louder than words. I need to see more normal Batarians, maybe those within the Hedgmony.

[TheAzureVanguard]

I'm trying NOT to hate them but if I'm honest I'm very angry at their race (especially after Bring Down the Sky).



And the bartender on Omega just further pissed me off. But I do realize that these are juts a few people and that its unfair to judge the whole race.



However Bioware has a lot of work to do to make me care about them in ME3....

[skcih-deraj]

Only good batartian is a dead one!



They attack colonies,take slaves and expect every one to feel sorry for them. There is know excuss for what they do and the said thing is the alliance does nothing about it. (except torfan.)