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[GreenDragon37]

TheAzureVanguard wrote...

I'm trying NOT to hate them but if I'm honest I'm very angry at their race (especially after Bring Down the Sky).

And the bartender on Omega just further pissed me off. But I do realize that these are juts a few people and that its unfair to judge the whole race.

However Bioware has a lot of work to do to make me care about them in ME3....

This is exactly my feeling! I have tried not to hate them, but so far BioWare has made it very hard to like/trust them. Yes, especially after BDtS.

[Heimdall]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

yes

Ah, that is a good question. Probably, yes. Even before you met Wrex, if you go by that Krogan statue on the Citadel you are told how the Krogan were uplifted by the Salarians early and fought in a war which they had no buisiness being a part of. Mordin tells you this as well. I thought it was wrong then, and I still think that now.

But not meeting Wrex would have probably challenged my perceptions of them. It's just a good thing that Wrex was in ME 1, then.

I thought the same thing but halfway through my ME2 playthrough I found that Mordin had convinced me that the Genophage was a necesary evil...

[bandfred]

Batarian squadmate to encourage Batarian sympathy for ME 3!

[NKKKK]

bandfred wrote...

Batarian squadmate to encourage Batarian sympathy for ME 3!

This

[Nightwriter]

Well I try to base my judgment on a race off of experiences with a diverse array of its people.

If I get the sense I've only had experiences with one type of people from a certain race - which I do with the batarians - I withhold judgment.

[GreenDragon37]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well I try to base my judgment on a race off of experiences with a diverse array of its people.

If I get the sense I've only had experiences with one type of people from a certain race - which I do with the batarians - I withhold judgment.

I try to do that to, like I did with the Geth, and it paid off with Legion. The Batarians are just a very touchy subject.  

[GreenDragon37]

bandfred wrote...

Batarian squadmate to encourage Batarian sympathy for ME 3!

Don't we have enough squademates already!?

[JohnnyBeGood2]

On Ilium one of the News Reports was of a Batarian legal challenge against the outlawing of slavery because Batarian culture and caste system was defined by slavery and was thus inextricable from it.



Batarian culture fail.

[GreenDragon37]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

On Ilium one of the News Reports was of a Batarian legal challenge against the outlawing of slavery because Batarian culture and caste system was defined by slavery and was thus inextricable from it.

Batarian culture fail.

Ooh. Good find, didn't see that one. That just makes liking them even harder. However if I am to be "fair" the Batarian government could just be "speaking on behalf of the people". Much like North Korea. It is someting to think about, however.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 09 juin 2010 - 02:58 .

[Yakko77]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

On Ilium one of the News Reports was of a Batarian legal challenge against the outlawing of slavery because Batarian culture and caste system was defined by slavery and was thus inextricable from it.

Batarian culture fail.

Maybe Shepard can help a abolishionist movement get started or save one from being taken out by slavers in ME3 or on a DLC mission.

[GreenDragon37]

Yakko77 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

On Ilium one of the News Reports was of a Batarian legal challenge against the outlawing of slavery because Batarian culture and caste system was defined by slavery and was thus inextricable from it.

Batarian culture fail.

Maybe Shepard can help a abolishionist movement get started or save one from being taken out by slavers in ME3 or on a DLC mission.

Hm. All of your ideas seem good. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Well, I will continue this discussion tommorow. I'm out for the night!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 09 juin 2010 - 03:03 .

[Yakko77]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

On Ilium one of the News Reports was of a Batarian legal challenge against the outlawing of slavery because Batarian culture and caste system was defined by slavery and was thus inextricable from it.

Batarian culture fail.

Maybe Shepard can help a abolishionist movement get started or save one from being taken out by slavers in ME3 or on a DLC mission.

Hm. All of your ideas seem good. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Thanks!

[Nightwriter]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

I try to do that to, like I did with the Geth, and it paid off with Legion. The Batarians are just a very touchy subject.  

Well yeah. The geth are just machines. Every batarian you meet seems to be deliberately evil.

The question is, if the only batarians who leave batarian space are bad criminals, and if those are the ONLY batarians we will ever interact with, then are the batarians, for all practical intents and purposes, a bad criminal race?

[Yakko77]

Nightwriter wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

I try to do that to, like I did with the Geth, and it paid off with Legion. The Batarians are just a very touchy subject.  

Well yeah. The geth are just machines. Every batarian you meet seems to be deliberately evil.

The question is, if the only batarians who leave batarian space are bad criminals, and if those are the ONLY batarians we will ever interact with, then are the batarians, for all practical intents and purposes, a bad criminal race?

Which begs the question, how were they allowed to be a Council race if that's all they are or did something dramatically change concerning their behavior since they did become a Council up to when humanity entered the scene which is when things seem to have taken a turn for the worse.....

Modifié par Yakko77, 09 juin 2010 - 03:13 .

[Foolsfolly]

I really dislike Batarians.



I really dislike how in Bring Down the Sky attacking the one batarian who says, "It was just a simple slave grab" is a renegade choice. There should be no choices. He's admitting to you that he was going to capture, torture, sell, and condition living human beings all for a buck and letting this scum bag go is a Paragon choice? What?



Why hasn't Cerberus dropped an asteroid on the batarian home world?

[Nightwriter]

Well slavery has always been a big part of the batarians' culture, which is illegal by Council law. That's the biggest mystery.

Mass Effect Wiki says this:

"Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery still actively practiced."

[pf17456]

What I like about the Batarians is that they embrace elements of Human culture that we consider unacceptable but in many cases do anyway. Batarians bring these societal conflicts to the fore forcing them to awarenes. The thing is if we consider terrorism, persecution,prejudice, slavery etc to be unacceptable evils and go about trying to solve it by forcing the Batarians to give up their lifestyle or cultural belief system then we're no better than they are. I mean where do the Humans come off trying to impose their way of life on everyone in the galaxy, like convert to Christianity or we'll chop your head off. It's amazingly hypocritical. I like Aria's one rule on Omega and I think applying it to the Galaxy is a good start.

[Yakko77]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well slavery has always been a big part of the batarians' culture, which is illegal by Council law. That's the biggest mystery.

Mass Effect Wiki says this:

"Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery still actively practiced."

Good find.

Is this a major plothole then?

[pf17456]

Yakko77 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well slavery has always been a big part of the batarians' culture, which is illegal by Council law. That's the biggest mystery.

Mass Effect Wiki says this:

"Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery still actively practiced."

Good find.

Is this a major plothole then?

Not if Batarian worlds exist outside of Citadel space in the Terminus system llike Illium where endentured servitude is legal.

[GreenDragon37]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well slavery has always been a big part of the batarians' culture, which is illegal by Council law. That's the biggest mystery.

Mass Effect Wiki says this:

"Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery still actively practiced."

This just makes my ability to try to like batarians go from try to zero! Now we have another major problem.

[GreenDragon37]

pf17456 wrote...

What I like about the Batarians is that they embrace elements of Human culture that we consider unacceptable but in many cases do anyway. Batarians bring these societal conflicts to the fore forcing them to awarenes. The thing is if we consider terrorism, persecution,prejudice, slavery etc to be unacceptable evils and go about trying to solve it by forcing the Batarians to give up their lifestyle or cultural belief system then we're no better than they are. I mean where do the Humans come off trying to impose their way of life on everyone in the galaxy, like convert to Christianity or we'll chop your head off. It's amazingly hypocritical. I like Aria's one rule on Omega and I think applying it to the Galaxy is a good start.

I know I was about to go to bed but... So you think slavery is good? So you think that Batarians enslaving Humanity for the lulz is good? Also, it was the Batarians whom had tried to impose their will by saying that Humans shouldn't be able to settle the Skyllian Verge. What gave them that right? Also, Aria's one rule should not be applied to galactic society. That would be terrible. Anarchy would reign supreme. Plus you seem to forget about the Reapers. The anarchy would make us easy prey for the Reapers. The Reapers would succeed. And you don't want that  Now I'm off!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 09 juin 2010 - 03:50 .

[pf17456]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

What I like about the Batarians is that they embrace elements of Human culture that we consider unacceptable but in many cases do anyway. Batarians bring these societal conflicts to the fore forcing them to awarenes. The thing is if we consider terrorism, persecution,prejudice, slavery etc to be unacceptable evils and go about trying to solve it by forcing the Batarians to give up their lifestyle or cultural belief system then we're no better than they are. I mean where do the Humans come off trying to impose their way of life on everyone in the galaxy, like convert to Christianity or we'll chop your head off. It's amazingly hypocritical. I like Aria's one rule on Omega and I think applying it to the Galaxy is a good start.

I know I was about to go to bed but... So you think slavery is good? So you think that Batarians enslaving Humanity for the lulz is good? Also, it was the Batarians whom had tried to impose their will by saying that Humans shouldn't be able to settle the Skyllian Verge. What gave them that right? Also, Aria's one rule should not be implied to galactic society. That would be terrible. Anarchy would reign supreme. Plus you seem to forget, the Reapers would succeed.

Didn't say I thought slavery was good. Did say I liked that the notion of slavery was brought to the fore by the Batarians so it's forced to be something you think about. Did imply that hating the Batarians for their cultural differences and trying to force them to comply with our beliefs kind of enslaves them.

[GreenDragon37]

pf17456 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

What I like about the Batarians is that they embrace elements of Human culture that we consider unacceptable but in many cases do anyway. Batarians bring these societal conflicts to the fore forcing them to awarenes. The thing is if we consider terrorism, persecution,prejudice, slavery etc to be unacceptable evils and go about trying to solve it by forcing the Batarians to give up their lifestyle or cultural belief system then we're no better than they are. I mean where do the Humans come off trying to impose their way of life on everyone in the galaxy, like convert to Christianity or we'll chop your head off. It's amazingly hypocritical. I like Aria's one rule on Omega and I think applying it to the Galaxy is a good start.

I know I was about to go to bed but... So you think slavery is good? So you think that Batarians enslaving Humanity for the lulz is good? Also, it was the Batarians whom had tried to impose their will by saying that Humans shouldn't be able to settle the Skyllian Verge. What gave them that right? Also, Aria's one rule should not be implied to galactic society. That would be terrible. Anarchy would reign supreme. Plus you seem to forget, the Reapers would succeed.

Didn't say I thought slavery was good. Did say I liked that the notion of slavery was brought to the fore by the Batarians so it's forced to be something you think about. Did imply that hating the Batarians for their cultural differences and trying to force them to comply with our beliefs kind of enslaves them.

OK, it brought the issue up, but the Batarians are still trying to enslave Humanity and commit terrorist acts. Humanity is just trying fight back against the oppressor, in this case the Batarians. If they didn't want to be intruded apon, they should not have attacked us. We hate them because of what they did to us and what they are continuing to do.

[pf17456]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

OK, it brought the issue up, but the Batarians are still trying to enslave Humanity and commit terrorist acts. Humanity is just trying fight back against the oppressor, in this case the Batarians. If they didn't want to be intruded apon, they should not have attacked us. We hate them because of what they did to us and what they are continuing to do.

So how far does it go when 'hatred' is the motive ? Should we exterminate the Batarians ? Should we beat them into sumission and subjigate them or persecute them till they no longer pose a threat. Should we tell them what their culture should be ?

[Foolsfolly]

pf17456 wrote...

What I like about the Batarians is that they embrace elements of Human culture that we consider unacceptable but in many cases do anyway. Batarians bring these societal conflicts to the fore forcing them to awarenes. The thing is if we consider terrorism, persecution,prejudice, slavery etc to be unacceptable evils and go about trying to solve it by forcing the Batarians to give up their lifestyle or cultural belief system then we're no better than they are. I mean where do the Humans come off trying to impose their way of life on everyone in the galaxy, like convert to Christianity or we'll chop your head off. It's amazingly hypocritical. I like Aria's one rule on Omega and I think applying it to the Galaxy is a good start.

Mindoir is not the result of a productive culture.

Sometimes one way is better than another.