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[spacehamsterZH]

Pacifien wrote...
Aw, I like Barla Von...

I still say he's the Shadow Broker. It's funny how the Volus seemed to be more varied in ME1, though. In ME2 it's like they're all voiced by the same guy.

[KalosCast]

Bunch of goddamn terrorists, I say.

[Beholderess]

ciaweth wrote...

In general, my Shep is not at all fond of batarians, given her colonist background.  If she finds one that will talk to her instead of trying to kill her, she'll give them a chance as an individual. It's the principle of the thing. That, and the fact that Garrus said he had a batarian guy on his team on Omega, is why I let the sick batarian on Omega live.

But they're still mostly dirtbags.

Pretty much. My paragon is willing to give every individual batarian a chance, but not too fond of them as a whole.

[scorptatious]

There is one sort of good batarian on Omega, if you chose to save him and inform Mordin about him, you'll meet at the clinic and his views on humans will change.

[lovgreno]

They are a quite stereotypical cannon fodder race. Ugly, cruel, violent, rude etc... so you wont regrett killing them in huge amounts like Shepard does. It's a classic plot device.



We should remember however that Shepard only meets the criminal and terrorist minority in the game.

[lovgreno]

Yeah that is true. Probably mostly humans and geth in Shepards kill count.

[NKKKK]

Beholderess wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

I try to do that to, like I did with the Geth, and it paid off with Legion. The Batarians are just a very touchy subject.  

Well yeah. The geth are just machines. Every batarian you meet seems to be deliberately evil.

The question is, if the only batarians who leave batarian space are bad criminals, and if those are the ONLY batarians we will ever interact with, then are the batarians, for all practical intents and purposes, a bad criminal race?

Which begs the question, how were they allowed to be a Council race if that's all they are or did something dramatically change concerning their behavior since they did become a Council up to when humanity entered the scene which is when things seem to have taken a turn for the worse.....

Now this is an interesting question. From that news report it is clear that Council is not fond of slavery. How did they manage to become a Council race in the first place then?

They weren't a council race, just an associate race like humans were before the end of ME1.

[BatarianBob]

Yakko77 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well slavery has always been a big part of the batarians' culture, which is illegal by Council law. That's the biggest mystery.

Mass Effect Wiki says this:

"Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery still actively practiced."

Good find.

Is this a major plothole then?

It's hard to call something a plot hole when it has nothing to do with the plot.

[bandfred]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

bandfred wrote...

Batarian squadmate to encourage Batarian sympathy for ME 3!

Don't we have enough squademates already!?

I highly doubt that all of them are coming back.

[BurningArmor]

A couple of things:

1.  That statement about the Batarians sueing the Council for their 'right' to slavery I have also heard broadcast on Omega.

2.  I think there is a certain amount of fear in most Batarians concerning the fact they cannot control Humanity in the long run.  The slavery and terrorism may have been attempts for the control freaks among them to restore their power when the humans began moving in.  This fear has been demonstrated in multiple ways.  In ME1, the DLC with the asteroid had Shepard speak with the Head Honcho's Lt (Sorry, I cannot think of his name).  I was left with the feeling that this Batarian Lt was just happy to get out of there with an intact skin.  In ME2, the plague stricken Batarian on Omega seemed to come around once he understood Shepard might actually be there to help him.   The last example I will mention here is also on Omega.  The Batarian known as the Mad Prophet went as far as claiming the humans were the "hand of the Reapers."  I must admit I have wondered if we will be seeing more about that in ME3.

3.  Then of course, they may be listening to Dennis Leary's song, "I'm An A Hle".  You decide.

Modifié par BurningArmor, 10 juin 2010 - 12:38 .

[MotoSkunkX]

Surprisingly a lot like humans.



Which would explain perfectly why both races hate eachother.

[Sajuro]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well Batarians were definately shown as negative. However I didn't get the same feeling as I got with the Batarians in ME 1 or the bartender in ME 2 with regards to Sulky and Cathka. For the most part they fit the bill but most of them were criminals and most of the criminals and mercs were shown in a harsh light.

The ones with the Blue Suns seem to have their priorities in a different place than say the Bartender did

I can see your point. But I still don't think that the Batarians are ready for forgiveness, and I'm mostly a Paragon! I just won't shed a tear when I see them wiped out by the Reapers.

I believe that all the races are equal, except those goddamn Vorcha.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't think they're all bad. I'm sure there's some that must have disagreed with the attacks on humanity and that disagree on slave practices. The merchant on Omega didn't seem like a bad person and neither did that Batarian in Mordin's mission even if he did blame humans and to some degree he was right. The looters in the area were humans. Many humans also tend to be racist towards aliens. I disagree with the Hegemony's ideas but the whole species can't be judged because of their government. One example of a decent Batarian was Garrus' tech expert. He was fighting criminals on Omega to defend the helpless.



I hope we see a Batarian squadmate in ME3, preferably a paragon Batarian since that would be interesting or one that isn't necesarily a renegad but still resents humanity because of what happened, however he has no issues working with humans.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Jacobs back story outlines his dismantling of a Batarian bioweapon that was supposed to do-in the Citadel... one more black mark against their name.

That said, if they're just playing aggressive because in the galactic community they aren't "winning" I can't say I hate them for that.

I also agree that all races are equal. (Well, when the vorcha are able to express themselves in half decent sentences they will be equal: "Humans, you no come here.... We break fans... release plague... collectors help us... argh!" high linguistics!)

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 10 juin 2010 - 02:08 .

[GreenDragon37]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Jacobs back story outlines his dismantling of a Batarian bioweapon that was supposed to do-in the Citadel... one more black mark against their name.

That said, if they're just playing aggressive because in the galactic community they aren't "winning" I can't say I hate them for that.

I also agree that all races are equal. (Well, when the vorcha are able to express themselves in half decent sentences they will be equal: "Humans, you no come here.... We break fans... release plague... collectors help us... argh!" high linguistics!)

Yes, all races are created equal , including the Batarians. They are just a big threat and they need to be dealt with, not just ignored like they have been.

[Splinter Cell 108]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Jacobs back story outlines his dismantling of a Batarian bioweapon that was supposed to do-in the Citadel... one more black mark against their name.

That said, if they're just playing aggressive because in the galactic community they aren't "winning" I can't say I hate them for that.

I also agree that all races are equal. (Well, when the vorcha are able to express themselves in half decent sentences they will be equal: "Humans, you no come here.... We break fans... release plague... collectors help us... argh!" high linguistics!)

Yes, all races are created equal , including the Batarians. They are just a big threat and they need to be dealt with, not just ignored like they have been.

There government needs to be dealt with. Everytime something goes bad it's the Hegemony that's always involved. The Codex says that the public's opinions aren't known since the Hegemony censors them and decides what media comes in and out of their territory. I bet the Hegemony probably gets all its funding from terrorism, slaving and who knows what else. But I doubt that every single Batarian is responsible for this. I hope we do get the chance to put down their terrorist group, maybe even meet Balak along the way if he was left alive though.

[NKKKK]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Jacobs back story outlines his dismantling of a Batarian bioweapon that was supposed to do-in the Citadel... one more black mark against their name.

That said, if they're just playing aggressive because in the galactic community they aren't "winning" I can't say I hate them for that.

I also agree that all races are equal. (Well, when the vorcha are able to express themselves in half decent sentences they will be equal: "Humans, you no come here.... We break fans... release plague... collectors help us... argh!" high linguistics!)

Yes, all races are created equal , including the Batarians. They are just a big threat and they need to be dealt with, not just ignored like they have been.

There government needs to be dealt with. Everytime something goes bad it's the Hegemony that's always involved. The Codex says that the public's opinions aren't known since the Hegemony censors them and decides what media comes in and out of their territory. I bet the Hegemony probably gets all its funding from terrorism, slaving and who knows what else. But I doubt that every single Batarian is responsible for this. I hope we do get the chance to put down their terrorist group, maybe even meet Balak along the way if he was left alive though.

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Modifié par NKKKK, 10 juin 2010 - 03:41 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Jacobs back story outlines his dismantling of a Batarian bioweapon that was supposed to do-in the Citadel... one more black mark against their name.

That said, if they're just playing aggressive because in the galactic community they aren't "winning" I can't say I hate them for that.

I also agree that all races are equal. (Well, when the vorcha are able to express themselves in half decent sentences they will be equal: "Humans, you no come here.... We break fans... release plague... collectors help us... argh!" high linguistics!)

Yes, all races are created equal , including the Batarians. They are just a big threat and they need to be dealt with, not just ignored like they have been.

There government needs to be dealt with. Everytime something goes bad it's the Hegemony that's always involved. The Codex says that the public's opinions aren't known since the Hegemony censors them and decides what media comes in and out of their territory. I bet the Hegemony probably gets all its funding from terrorism, slaving and who knows what else. But I doubt that every single Batarian is responsible for this. I hope we do get the chance to put down their terrorist group, maybe even meet Balak along the way if he was left alive though.

I kinda want more intel on the Batarian governemnt before my Paragon Shep moves on them. Need to know whether it really is the Batarian government that's causing sh*t like you say - getting cash from slavery and possible terrorism. Would like to know what the Citadel knows about all this etc.

[STG]

Shandepared wrote...
In ME2 really the only batarians I got a racist vibe from were the ones you meet during Mordin's recruit mission. All the others didn't seem to care one way or another that I was human (well aside from that bartender).

You sir! You are a blight!

[Hyper Cutter]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

There government needs to be dealt with. Everytime something goes bad it's the Hegemony that's always involved. The Codex says that the public's opinions aren't known since the Hegemony censors them and decides what media comes in and out of their territory. I bet the Hegemony probably gets all its funding from terrorism, slaving and who knows what else. But I doubt that every single Batarian is responsible for this. I hope we do get the chance to put down their terrorist group, maybe even meet Balak along the way if he was left alive though.

I want to meet Balak again and see how tough that sickly-green bastard acts when he doesn't have hostages to hide behind...

[Christmas Ape]

Anyone who thinks batarian agents like Balak aren't state sponsored is deluding themselves in some kind of space-age liberal guilt. It wasn't "rogues, criminals, and terrorists" that closed their embassy on the Citadel, it was the Hegemony. It's a far-reaching autocratic government - "the humans are stealing our resources and the Council will do nothing!" gives them carte blanche to oppress, seize, and tax their people harder than ever, blame it on "hostile aliens", and give malcontents who might otherwise attempt to overthrow their oppressive government an outlet: Here, take this ship and this crate of weapons and go drive the human aggressors from our space by any means necessary!



Every batarian you save on Omega might well be in the process of changing his attitude, but they're all insulting straight to your face - or to the barrel of your gun, as the case may be. Maybe tomorrow he wakes up thinking humans aren't all vicious bullies and thieves. That won't stop him from wanting to pull a little 18th century surgery and weld a control unit into your brain so you can work yourself to death making him wealthier.



Sobek wasn't a terrorist camp. It was the resource-gathering arm of the batarian colony at Anhur. It's all the reason I need, in case I didn't already have Mindoir, Elysium, and Asteroid X57.



At best, a war to unseat the Hegemony is required to liberate a struggling batarian people from a government that controls their lives and sponsors terrorists it creates by policy. The Council will balk, but it will stabilize space in the long run. The process of stamping out slavery will be long and bloody, but necessary.

At worst, they're exactly what we're seeing. A race selected and wired for dominance and prejudice (remember, they believe having more eyes makes them smarter, as a race, than every other species in the galaxy), with culture built on monstrous chattel slavery and a side industry in cross-species terrorism and mass murder.

The fact that the news report was on Illium, place of relaxed laws and indentured servitude for competition's sake, is what I find to be the fail.

Why the hell wouldn't Illium, on the borders of Council Space and the Terminus Systems, report on news about political matters between Council Space and the Terminus Systems? It's not news about Illium; says 'Galactic News', right on the talkbox.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Anyone who thinks batarian agents like Balak aren't state sponsored is deluding themselves in some kind of space-age liberal guilt. It wasn't "rogues, criminals, and terrorists" that closed their embassy on the Citadel, it was the Hegemony. It's a far-reaching autocratic government - "the humans are stealing our resources and the Council will do nothing!" gives them carte blanche to oppress, seize, and tax their people harder than ever, blame it on "hostile aliens", and give malcontents who might otherwise attempt to overthrow their oppressive government an outlet: Here, take this ship and this crate of weapons and go drive the human aggressors from our space by any means necessary!

Every batarian you save on Omega might well be in the process of changing his attitude, but they're all insulting straight to your face - or to the barrel of your gun, as the case may be. Maybe tomorrow he wakes up thinking humans aren't all vicious bullies and thieves. That won't stop him from wanting to pull a little 18th century surgery and weld a control unit into your brain so you can work yourself to death making him wealthier.

Sobek wasn't a terrorist camp. It was the resource-gathering arm of the batarian colony at Anhur. It's all the reason I need, in case I didn't already have Mindoir, Elysium, and Asteroid X57.

At best, a war to unseat the Hegemony is required to liberate a struggling batarian people from a government that controls their lives and sponsors terrorists it creates by policy. The Council will balk, but it will stabilize space in the long run. The process of stamping out slavery will be long and bloody, but necessary.
At worst, they're exactly what we're seeing. A race selected and wired for dominance and prejudice (remember, they believe having more eyes makes them smarter, as a race, than every other species in the galaxy), with culture built on monstrous chattel slavery and a side industry in cross-species terrorism and mass murder.

The fact that the news report was on Illium, place of relaxed laws and indentured servitude for competition's sake, is what I find to be the fail.

Why the hell wouldn't Illium, on the borders of Council Space and the Terminus Systems, report on news about political matters between Council Space and the Terminus Systems? It's not news about Illium; says 'Galactic News', right on the talkbox.

Yep possible Batarians really are anal dregs, need pretty strong evidence though to go all Rachni/Krogan on em though. Subtle forms of cultural reformation would be prefereable...and escalate moderately from there... applying gradual pressure over time to help them change.

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 10 juin 2010 - 10:29 .

[sumof all fear]

 "Godamn terrorists I said!"

in all seriousness I would never take a batarian as a squadmate, hell I wouldn't take a batarian as a HOSTAGE!  given the oppritunity I can and will kill any batarian I encounter.