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[Naltair]

I like the Batarians they make good foils and I like how human they really are.



The whole Batarian state reminds me of North Korea...

[TomBmbadil]

Well since the batarians have the Leviathan of Dis (i think) we'll probably "borrow" it from them to help fight the reapers in mass effect 3

[Clone 071]

Naltair wrote...

I like the Batarians they make good foils and I like how human they really are.

The whole Batarian state reminds me of North Korea...

I have to agree there. Just like what Kaidan said, "There's nothing different about aliens; they're just saints and jerks, just like humans."

Honestly, while most of the Batarians you come across in the Mass Effect series are just vile, evil thugs, you have to consider that some Batarians do some good. There was that one Batarian tech expert in Garrus's squad who fought injustice on Omega.

My thoughts overall are just that I don't mind Batarians, but I don't trust them. Not yet. I do admit that some Batarians out there I just hate (Balak, Forvan, Tarak), but I'm not going to judge the entire species just because of a few damned Batarians.

Modifié par Clone 071, 23 juin 2010 - 07:43 .

[Loerwyn]

I think, as it's been said a few times, that they can be as bad as everyone else. For the most part they seem to be quite xenophobic, but then again how are Humans any different in the game? Just because FemShep and Kelly go utterly goo-goo over Garrus it doesn't mean they're representative of the whole Human race.

Over time I'm sure the Batarians could adjust and be more accepting of other races, but Humanity's sudden rise to power (in many play throughs) or at least influence within the Citadel is going to be suspicious, especially to the more xenophobic races.

[didymos1120]

Clone 071 wrote...

Honestly, while most of the Batarians you come across in the Mass Effect series are just vile, evil thugs, you have to consider that some Batarians do some good. There was that one Batarian tech expert in Garrus's squad who fought injustice on Omega.

If you help that batarian guy at the begininning of the Mordin recruitment mission and ask Mordin to send someone to find him, he'll be in the clinic at the end and will apologize for accusing you and is very grateful to you for you saving his life. It's pretty obvious the whole ordeal has made him reconsider his anti-human prejudices.  Then there're the ones with Mordin's assistant, who, even though they half-expect you to kill them anyway, give you the benefit of the doubt and willingly lay down their weapons.  That bartender sure was a d!ck though.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 juin 2010 - 08:16 .

[Christmas Ape]

Then there're the ones with Mordin's assistant, who, even though they half-expect you to kill them anyway, give you the benefit of the doubt and willingly lay down their weapons.

Or 'realize they're basically just thugs with a couple pistols and will be torn to shreds by this human commando team', though they do take the opportunity to crap on your whole species as they leave.

[didymos1120]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Then there're the ones with Mordin's assistant, who, even though they half-expect you to kill them anyway, give you the benefit of the doubt and willingly lay down their weapons.

Or 'realize they're basically just thugs with a couple pistols and will be torn to shreds by this human commando team', though they do take the opportunity to crap on your whole species as they leave.

As stated: they think you might do this anyway. Yet they were still willing to extend a little trust  (and listen to reason depending on your dialogue choice).  Point NOT being that they're awesome guys, but that there is a spectrum of douchebagness among Batarians, just like any other species.  And yeah, they give a very backhanded compliment, but it's still better than their attitude was approximately 5 seconds before.

ETA: Also, why do you think I started with the sick guy and ended with the bartender, with those dudes in the middle?

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 juin 2010 - 01:07 .

[GreenDragon37]

Still don't trust 'em. I may be mostly Paragon(Paragade, here) and trusting a lot, but my trust has limits. Batarians are pretty much beyond those limits.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I like the Batarians they make good foils and I like how human they really are.

The whole Batarian state reminds me of North Korea...

I have to agree there. Just like what Kaidan said, "There's nothing different about aliens; they're just saints and jerks, just like humans."

Honestly, while most of the Batarians you come across in the Mass Effect series are just vile, evil thugs, you have to consider that some Batarians do some good. There was that one Batarian tech expert in Garrus's squad who fought injustice on Omega.

My thoughts overall are just that I don't mind Batarians, but I don't trust them. Not yet. I do admit that some Batarians out there I just hate (Balak, Forvan, Tarak), but I'm not going to judge the entire species just because of a few damned Batarians.

We don't know the exact personality and specifics of that Batarian. He could still be somewhat anti-Human, but hate what he considered "injustice". Again, we don't know the exact specifics of Garrus's squadmate.

That guy at the entrance was one out of how many that tried to kill me... a hundred? And that bartender was an ass.

Again, nothing that they have done so far has made me want to extend hands in friendship, because they haven't extended theirs. Especially after that one side mission in ME 2 with the terrorists nuking that colony.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 02:39 .

[GreenDragon37]

Don't forget Mindoir and Elysium!

P.S. Sorry for the tripple post.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 02:41 .

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Still don't trust 'em. I may be mostly Paragon(Paragade, here) and trusting a lot, but my trust has limits. Batarians are pretty much beyond those limits.

You've just only seen the vile, evil Batarians and the distrusting ones. You don't even look for any good in them as well as giving them a chance. If you negotiate with Charn in ME1, he gets the message that you'll kill him should you ever encounter him in terrorism plots and slave trades again. I'm not saying you need to trust them- hell, even I don't- but you should give them at least one chance.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Still don't trust 'em. I may be mostly Paragon(Paragade, here) and trusting a lot, but my trust has limits. Batarians are pretty much beyond those limits.

You've just only seen the vile, evil Batarians and the distrusting ones. You don't even look for any good in them as well as giving them a chance. If you negotiate with Charn in ME1, he gets the message that you'll kill him should you ever encounter him in terrorism plots and slave trades again. I'm not saying you need to trust them- hell, even I don't- but you should give them at least one chance.

To me, they didn't earn that trust for me to warrant them a chance. Charn was a slave trader. End of discussion. What happened on Mindoir was monsterous, and Elysium was just a kick in the nuts. Especially the colony decision in Mass Effect 2, either way, you lose. Damn terrorists. I won't shed a tear when the Reapers come in and wipe out the Batarian Hegemony. I'll just go the way of the Mass Effect 1 trailer: Ignore it.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 02:54 .

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Still don't trust 'em. I may be mostly Paragon(Paragade, here) and trusting a lot, but my trust has limits. Batarians are pretty much beyond those limits.

You've just only seen the vile, evil Batarians and the distrusting ones. You don't even look for any good in them as well as giving them a chance. If you negotiate with Charn in ME1, he gets the message that you'll kill him should you ever encounter him in terrorism plots and slave trades again. I'm not saying you need to trust them- hell, even I don't- but you should give them at least one chance.

To me, they didn't earn that trust for me to warrant them a chance. Charn was a slave trader. End of discussion. What happened on Mindoir was monsterous, and Elysium was just a kick in the nuts. Especially the colony decision in Mass Effect 2, either way, you lose. Damn terrorists. I won't shed a tear when the Reapers come in and wipe out the Batarian Hegemony. I'll just go the way of the Mass Effect 1 trailer: Ignore it.

Lol, incoming transmission from the Batarian Hedgemony.
"Normandy, we're under attack. Requesting assistance. *many screams in background* Please.. PLEASE!"
Request denied; setting course for Calaston.

Modifié par Clone 071, 25 juin 2010 - 02:59 .

[IccaRa]

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.



I know people have brought up the Batarian plague victim, etc -- I like the Blue Suns Recruiter, too. Especially if you're a FemShep.



Recruiter: Okay honey, strippers quarters are that way.

Shepard: ...

Recruiter: ...What, not even a smile? :





Anyway, I think batarians are cute, and I find ones like Marsh or the BPV especially cute.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Still don't trust 'em. I may be mostly Paragon(Paragade, here) and trusting a lot, but my trust has limits. Batarians are pretty much beyond those limits.

You've just only seen the vile, evil Batarians and the distrusting ones. You don't even look for any good in them as well as giving them a chance. If you negotiate with Charn in ME1, he gets the message that you'll kill him should you ever encounter him in terrorism plots and slave trades again. I'm not saying you need to trust them- hell, even I don't- but you should give them at least one chance.

To me, they didn't earn that trust for me to warrant them a chance. Charn was a slave trader. End of discussion. What happened on Mindoir was monsterous, and Elysium was just a kick in the nuts. Especially the colony decision in Mass Effect 2, either way, you lose. Damn terrorists. I won't shed a tear when the Reapers come in and wipe out the Batarian Hegemony. I'll just go the way of the Mass Effect 1 trailer: Ignore it.

Lol, incoming transmission from the Batarian Hedgemony.
"Normandy, we're under attack. Requesting assistance. *many screams in background* Please.. PLEASE!
Request denied; setting course for Calaston.

LOL, that's exactly what will happen. Revenge is a dish best served... to a Reaper in this case!

[Clone 071]

IccaRa wrote...

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.

In a way, I can see that. Unless you intimidate him for a discount (he gets a little ticked off for insulting his goods), he's another "nice" Batarian.

[GreenDragon37]

Plus, I think I'm gonna go "Nuremberg" on the Batarians when its all over. It will be the trial of the century! Every Batarian will have justice brought apon them. 

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 03:16 .

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.

In a way, I can see that. Unless you intimidate him for a discount (he gets a little ticked off for insulting his goods), he's another "nice" Batarian.

He dosen't count. He only wants your darn money!

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.

In a way, I can see that. Unless you intimidate him for a discount (he gets a little ticked off for insulting his goods), he's another "nice" Batarian.

He dosen't count. He only wants your darn money!

As does every other shopkeep does, especially Ken.

Modifié par Clone 071, 25 juin 2010 - 03:14 .

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.

In a way, I can see that. Unless you intimidate him for a discount (he gets a little ticked off for insulting his goods), he's another "nice" Batarian.

He dosen't count. He only wants your darn money!

As does every other shopkeep does, especially Ken.

This is different. The Quarians have done me no wrong. Ken was in a bad situation. I understand what he is going through. The Batarians on the other hand...

[IccaRa]

Clone 071 wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.

In a way, I can see that. Unless you intimidate him for a discount (he gets a little ticked off for insulting his goods), he's another "nice" Batarian.

He was one of the first batarians my Shepard spoke with, and I always like talking to him. He's not a sleaze, he's just doing his job and trying to get by.

I've never intimate-persuaded him before, but I know very few merchants who wouldn't be insulted along with their goods.

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.

In a way, I can see that. Unless you intimidate him for a discount (he gets a little ticked off for insulting his goods), he's another "nice" Batarian.

He dosen't count. He only wants your darn money!

As does every other shopkeep does, especially Ken.

This is different. The Quarians have done me no wrong. Ken was in a bad situation. I understand what he is going through. The Batarians on the other hand...

Yeah, like dragging you to Migrant Fleet to defend a squadmate from "treason" because of BS politics.

Modifié par Clone 071, 25 juin 2010 - 03:19 .

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Nobody ever mentions Marsh. He's the batarian shopkeep down in Omega. He's really cool and never once acts like a douche.

In a way, I can see that. Unless you intimidate him for a discount (he gets a little ticked off for insulting his goods), he's another "nice" Batarian.

He dosen't count. He only wants your darn money!

As does every other shopkeep does, especially Ken.

This is different. The Quarians have done me no wrong. Ken was in a bad situation. I understand what he is going through. The Batarians on the other hand...

Yeah, like dragging you to Migrant Fleet to defend a squadmate from "treason" because of BS politics.

Better than shooting at me, enslaving Humans, and blowing up colonies. You aren't trying to justify that are you? I know you, Clone. You wouldn't justify this!

[Clone 071]

Either way you look at it, Marsh is not holding a grudge against humans unlike that Turian shopkeep for Rodam Expeditions if you chose to sacrifice the council.
The only thing I'm attempting to justify is that NOT every Batarian is necessarily a bad Batarian. You think otherwise, because you've seen them from BDtS and decided to hold that grudge against them in ME2.
You'd see otherwise if it weren't for your stubborn human pride!

Modifié par Clone 071, 25 juin 2010 - 03:23 .

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

Either way you look at it, Marsh is not holding a grudge against humans unlike that Turian shopkeep for Rodam Expeditions if you chose to sacrifice the council.
The only thing I'm attempting to justify is that NOT every Batarian is necessarily a bad Batarian. You think otherwise, because you've seen them from BDtS and decided to hold that grudge against them in ME2.
You'd see otherwise if it weren't for your stubborn human pride!

I saved the damn Council, so that guy loves me. Humans did nothing wrong to Batarians. They commit all of these terrorist acts and cry how "no one likes them!" I wonder if they ever stopped to think why?

Plus, Human pride is a good thing. Its good to love your species. But its good to love others as well. Well, except for the Batarians, and the Vorcha. You know, I'd rather take the Vorcha than the Batarians!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 03:27 .