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[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Either way you look at it, Marsh is not holding a grudge against humans unlike that Turian shopkeep for Rodam Expeditions if you chose to sacrifice the council.
The only thing I'm attempting to justify is that NOT every Batarian is necessarily a bad Batarian. You think otherwise, because you've seen them from BDtS and decided to hold that grudge against them in ME2.
You'd see otherwise if it weren't for your stubborn human pride!

I saved the damn Council, so that guy loves me. Humans did nothing wrong to Batarians. They commit all of these terrorist acts and cry how "no one likes them!" I wonder if they ever stopped to think why?

Plus, Human pride is a good thing. Its good to love your species. But its good to love others as well. Well, except for the Batarians, and the Vorcha. You know, I'd rather take the Vorcha than the Batarians!

You didn't save them the first time, and you proved my point. You hold grudges against them and don't consider any other option other than annihilation of the Batarians. Hell, I bet you even went as far as pinning the batarian as the Observer on Illium for Liara's quest to hunt down the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par Clone 071, 25 juin 2010 - 03:35 .

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Either way you look at it, Marsh is not holding a grudge against humans unlike that Turian shopkeep for Rodam Expeditions if you chose to sacrifice the council.
The only thing I'm attempting to justify is that NOT every Batarian is necessarily a bad Batarian. You think otherwise, because you've seen them from BDtS and decided to hold that grudge against them in ME2.
You'd see otherwise if it weren't for your stubborn human pride!

I saved the damn Council, so that guy loves me. Humans did nothing wrong to Batarians. They commit all of these terrorist acts and cry how "no one likes them!" I wonder if they ever stopped to think why?

Plus, Human pride is a good thing. Its good to love your species. But its good to love others as well. Well, except for the Batarians, and the Vorcha. You know, I'd rather take the Vorcha than the Batarians!

Proved my point. You hold grudges against them. Hell, I bet you even went as far as pinning the batarian as the Observer on Illium for Liara's quest to hunt down the Shadow Broker.

Actually, no. The first time, I thought it was someone else. The second time, I realized that none of those names fit. But you never know... he could have helped. 

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 03:36 .

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Either way you look at it, Marsh is not holding a grudge against humans unlike that Turian shopkeep for Rodam Expeditions if you chose to sacrifice the council.
The only thing I'm attempting to justify is that NOT every Batarian is necessarily a bad Batarian. You think otherwise, because you've seen them from BDtS and decided to hold that grudge against them in ME2.
You'd see otherwise if it weren't for your stubborn human pride!

I saved the damn Council, so that guy loves me. Humans did nothing wrong to Batarians. They commit all of these terrorist acts and cry how "no one likes them!" I wonder if they ever stopped to think why?

Plus, Human pride is a good thing. Its good to love your species. But its good to love others as well. Well, except for the Batarians, and the Vorcha. You know, I'd rather take the Vorcha than the Batarians!

Proved my point. You hold grudges against them. Hell, I bet you even went as far as pinning the batarian as the Observer on Illium for Liara's quest to hunt down the Shadow Broker.

Actually, no. The first time, I thought it was someone else. The second time, I realized that none of those names fit. But you never know... he could have done it.

Hah, only because I told you that none of them fit the description.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Either way you look at it, Marsh is not holding a grudge against humans unlike that Turian shopkeep for Rodam Expeditions if you chose to sacrifice the council.
The only thing I'm attempting to justify is that NOT every Batarian is necessarily a bad Batarian. You think otherwise, because you've seen them from BDtS and decided to hold that grudge against them in ME2.
You'd see otherwise if it weren't for your stubborn human pride!

I saved the damn Council, so that guy loves me. Humans did nothing wrong to Batarians. They commit all of these terrorist acts and cry how "no one likes them!" I wonder if they ever stopped to think why?

Plus, Human pride is a good thing. Its good to love your species. But its good to love others as well. Well, except for the Batarians, and the Vorcha. You know, I'd rather take the Vorcha than the Batarians!

Proved my point. You hold grudges against them. Hell, I bet you even went as far as pinning the batarian as the Observer on Illium for Liara's quest to hunt down the Shadow Broker.

Actually, no. The first time, I thought it was someone else. The second time, I realized that none of those names fit. But you never know... he could have done it.

Hah, only because I told you that none of them fit the description.

Dosen't shake my hatred and distrust of the monsterous race known as Batarians.

[Clone 071]

Sure, shift the blame back to the Batarians yet again. You're almost backed into your corner with little place to hide, so you'll falsely blame everything you can find on the Batarians. You're acting like a Vorcha grubbing in the mud. So you going to hide in your corner, Vorcha?

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

Sure, shift the blame back to the Batarians yet again. You're almost backed into your corner with little place to hide, so you'll falsely blame everything you can find on the Batarians. You're acting like a Vorcha grubbing in the mud. So you going to hide in your corner, Vorcha?

I AM KROGAN!!!

You still haven't given' me a reason to trust them. Your just playing politics, just like the Admriality Board. Leave your political bull**** out of this discussion!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 04:04 .

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Sure, shift the blame back to the Batarians yet again. You're almost backed into your corner with little place to hide, so you'll falsely blame everything you can find on the Batarians. You're acting like a Vorcha grubbing in the mud. So you going to hide in your corner, Vorcha?

I AM KROGAN!!!

You still haven't given' me a reason to trust them. Your just playing politics, just like the Admriality Board. Leave this discussion of your political bull****! 

How many times do I have to say that I am not trying to persuade you that all Batarians are good-hearted in nature and should be trusted? I am simply stating the FACT that NOT all Batarians are pure-damn evil and that there are some that are good. At least tolerable.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Sure, shift the blame back to the Batarians yet again. You're almost backed into your corner with little place to hide, so you'll falsely blame everything you can find on the Batarians. You're acting like a Vorcha grubbing in the mud. So you going to hide in your corner, Vorcha?

I AM KROGAN!!!

You still haven't given' me a reason to trust them. Your just playing politics, just like the Admriality Board. Leave this discussion of your political bull****! 

How many times do I have to say that I am not trying to persuade you that all Batarians are good-hearted in nature and should be trusted? I am simply stating the FACT that NOT all Batarians are pure-damn evil and that there are some that are good. At least tolerable.

See my sig.

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Sure, shift the blame back to the Batarians yet again. You're almost backed into your corner with little place to hide, so you'll falsely blame everything you can find on the Batarians. You're acting like a Vorcha grubbing in the mud. So you going to hide in your corner, Vorcha?

I AM KROGAN!!!

You still haven't given' me a reason to trust them. Your just playing politics, just like the Admriality Board. Leave this discussion of your political bull****! 

How many times do I have to say that I am not trying to persuade you that all Batarians are good-hearted in nature and should be trusted? I am simply stating the FACT that NOT all Batarians are pure-damn evil and that there are some that are good. At least tolerable.

See my sig.

Then you didn't finish reading my post with TOLERABLE Batarians. You can deny good all you want.
BTW, nice way to hide behind a viewpoint. That's the coward's way out.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Sure, shift the blame back to the Batarians yet again. You're almost backed into your corner with little place to hide, so you'll falsely blame everything you can find on the Batarians. You're acting like a Vorcha grubbing in the mud. So you going to hide in your corner, Vorcha?

I AM KROGAN!!!

You still haven't given' me a reason to trust them. Your just playing politics, just like the Admriality Board. Leave this discussion of your political bull****! 

How many times do I have to say that I am not trying to persuade you that all Batarians are good-hearted in nature and should be trusted? I am simply stating the FACT that NOT all Batarians are pure-damn evil and that there are some that are good. At least tolerable.

See my sig.

Then you didn't finish reading my post with TOLERABLE Batarians. You can deny good all you want.
BTW, nice way to hide behind a viewpoint. That's the coward's way out.

Are you not hiding behind yours? Batarians aren't good. They can't be trusted. Did they save the Citadel? No. Did they save the Council? No.  Do they commit terrorist acts? Yes. Do they believe slavery is justified? Yes.  Do they take Humans and make them slaves? Yes.

Do you see any good in there?

[Clone 071]

No, I do not. But yet again, you post what they are infamous for and stereotype them because that's all you see in them. You don't bother telling about the ones that Shepard deals with because you fear that that's how you'll be taken down in this discussion.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

No, I do not. But yet again, you post what they are infamous for and stereotype them because that's all you see in them. You don't bother telling about the ones that Shepard deals with because you fear that that's how you'll be taken down in this discussion.

The one's whom Shepard deals with? You mean like the ones that I "dealt with" on Asteroid X-57?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 04:36 .

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

No, I do not. But yet again, you post what they are infamous for and stereotype them because that's all you see in them. You don't bother telling about the ones that Shepard deals with because you fear that that's how you'll be taken down in this discussion.

The one's whom Shepard deals with? You mean like the ones that I "dealt with" on Asteroid X-57?

A noble point with 2 major flaws: 1) That's only in ME1 where all Batarians are labeled as terrorists when the only real terrorist is Balak himself. If it wasn't for him, X-57 would NOT have been on a crash collision course with Terra Nova. 2) You don't even bother talking about every damn Batarian that Shepard encounters in a cameo in ME2.

Sure, not every Batarian you encounter will welcome you, but I will make you acknowledge the fact that not every Batarian is a vile, evil thug.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

No, I do not. But yet again, you post what they are infamous for and stereotype them because that's all you see in them. You don't bother telling about the ones that Shepard deals with because you fear that that's how you'll be taken down in this discussion.

The one's whom Shepard deals with? You mean like the ones that I "dealt with" on Asteroid X-57?

A noble point with 2 major flaws: 1) That's only in ME1 where all Batarians are labeled as terrorists when the only real terrorist is Balak himself. If it wasn't for him, X-57 would NOT have been on a crash collision course with Terra Nova. 2) You don't even bother talking about every damn Batarian that Shepard encounters in a cameo in ME2.

Sure, not every Batarian you encounter will welcome you, but I will make you acknowledge the fact that not every Batarian is a vile, evil thug.

Are you supporting the racist Batarian Hegemony, you know, their government, whom supports terrorism and slavery? And what about the others? Even if they didn't plan on commiting terrorism, they were still comin' for a "quick slave grab". Do you think that those Batarians didn't have it coming? That even though they didn't want to commit terrorism that their purpose of "just a quick slave grab" wasn't wrong? Wasn't any better?

You can't expect me actually come out and trust them. They've been given chances. Plenty. But they still whine and commit acts of terror, and they expect people to heed their "cry for help"? Look at ME2s mission where you have to choose between the colony and the industrial sector that Batarians are about to destroy. Look at those guys threatening Mordin's assistant, blaming the plague on Humans when he only came to help them. Also, remember Jacob's game(he mentioned it in ME2 )where he thwarted a Batarian bioweapon attack on the Citadel Council while they were in discussions of peace! They tried to go the Pearl Harbor route: attack us while our back was turned. 
 
I believe in Zaeed's words, "Cheap labor he said, bunch of -you know what- terrorists I say." They haven't changed since their self imposed exile. Heck, they blame Humanity for that, too.  What don't they blame us for?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 04:55 .

[maddenking2010]

As the human equivalent of Saren (not the "I wanna be a reaper slave" Saren, just his ways of getting things done lol) and the Butcher of Torfan, I think ill just kill every batarian i see, terrorist pricks.

I hope in ME3 we get something like this:

EDI: Shepard, a Reaper strike over the Batarian homeworld is immenent, shall we intervene

Shepard: ehh..im good

[GreenDragon37]

maddenking2010 wrote...

As the human equivalent of Saren (not the "I wanna be a reaper slave" Saren, just his ways of getting things done lol) and the Butcher of Torfan, I think ill just kill every batarian i see, terrorist pricks.
I hope in ME3 we get something like this:
EDI: Shepard, a Reaper strike over the Batarian homeworld is immenent, shall we intervene
Shepard: ehh..im good

Yeah, I'm hopin' for that too. Batarians have had it comin' for so long now...
Heck, who's up for a bombing run and/or glassing of Khar'Shan!?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2010 - 05:14 .

[maddenking2010]

"Heck, who's up for a bombing run and/or glassing of Khar'Shan!?"



I agree. I wouldnt mind an N7 mission in ME3, where you have the option of going to a major batarian terrorist hide out, and laucnh a little suprise attack.

Paragon: Take Prisnors where possible, capture the leader alive and return him to the alliance

Renegade: Kill anything that moves. Execute the Terroist leader just before destroying the compound. Justice is served.

References to your service history in dialogue would be cool too.

I'll be taking the latter option. 2 eyes good, 4 eyes bad lol

[Clone 071]

You're just dodging my points and always try to find some other point for me to present my case with...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Are you supporting the racist Batarian Hegemony, you know, their government, whom supports terrorism and slavery? And what about the others. Even if they didn't plan on commiting terrorism, they were still comin' for a "quick slave grab". Do you think that those Batarians didn't have it coming? That even though they didn't want to commit terrorism that their purpose of "just a quick slave grab" wasn't wrong? Wasn't any better?

First off, no, I do not support them, much less than I would ever support Terra Firma. Second, what you said is also inaccurate: "On Ilium one of the News Reports was of a Batarian legal challenge against the outlawing of slavery because Batarian culture and caste system was defined by slavery and was thus inextricable from it."
That says nothing about the Batarian Hegemony promoting terrorism. Unless you specifically find evidence that proves otherwise, the defense rests. And if you ever work up the guts to charm or intimidate Charn, you will find out that Shepard convinces him to stop his involvement with the slave trade. But no, you never him a chance to atone. All you think of is slave grab, and it's the end of the line for them!

You can't expect me actually come out and trust them. They've been given chances. Plenty. But they still whine and commit acts of terror, and they expect people to heed their "cry for help"? Look at ME2s mission where you have to choose between the colony and the industrial sector that Batarians are about to destroy. Look at those guys threatening Mordin's assistant, blaming the plague on Humans when he only came to help them. Also, remember Jacob's game(he mentioned it in ME2 )where he thwarted a Batarian bioweapon attack on the Citadel Council while they were in discussions of peace! They tried to go the Pearl Harbor route: attack us while our back was turned.

Again, you dodge the point of my discussion. I never expected you to trust them in the first place as not even I do; I'm just proving that NOT ALL Batarians are necessarily raging savages. I NEVER said they didn't commit horrible atrocities against humans and the Council or peace-loving hippies. As for for Mordin's assistant, David: who honestly in their right mind- besides humans- thinks that the Vorcha can manufacture a plague that infects every species except themselves and humans? After meeting the Vorcha in the Omega shopping area, I certainly wouldn't have guessed that, and I doubt you did either. The Batarians did their research: Vorcha are just dumbasses that grub in the mud. Those vaccine vials that David was carrying could have been easily mistaken for vials with the virus. And if it wasn't for the Collectors, the Vorcha wouldn't have had the necessary materials to manufacture the plague in the first place. Honestly, you act as if Batarians are the only terrorists out there. I got news for you: they're not. Humans have commited acts of terror as well, even against their own species. You know that for a fact!

[GreenDragon37]

maddenking2010 wrote...

"Heck, who's up for a bombing run and/or glassing of Khar'Shan!?"

I agree. I wouldnt mind an N7 mission in ME3, where you have the option of going to a major batarian terrorist hide out, and laucnh a little suprise attack.
Paragon: Take Prisnors where possible, capture the leader alive and return him to the alliance
Renegade: Kill anything that moves. Execute the Terroist leader just before destroying the compound. Justice is served.
References to your service history in dialogue would be cool too.
I'll be taking the latter option. 2 eyes good, 4 eyes bad lol

I'm all for the raid. But I'll have to think about taking prisoners or not. I hate Batarians, but I love to throw in their face "we won't stoop to your level". Makes 'em think while their rotting behind bars.

[Clone 071]

Don't get me mistaken- I have no problem killing Batarians that are part of a terrorist cell. In fact, they don't get to live if I find them. But if there's a chance to sway the minds of some Batarians, then I'll take that chance.

[maddenking2010]

I kinda whish there was a way to go up to that mad prophet on omega, and punch him the balls ( or the batarian equivalent) and then act like nothing happend, how epic would that be. the people standing around him, would just be like " ha, bout time'

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

You're just dodging my points and always try to find some other point for me to present my case with...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Are you supporting the racist Batarian Hegemony, you know, their government, whom supports terrorism and slavery? And what about the others. Even if they didn't plan on commiting terrorism, they were still comin' for a "quick slave grab". Do you think that those Batarians didn't have it coming? That even though they didn't want to commit terrorism that their purpose of "just a quick slave grab" wasn't wrong? Wasn't any better?

First off, no, I do not support them, much less than I would ever support Terra Firma. Second, what you said is also inaccurate: "On Ilium one of the News Reports was of a Batarian legal challenge against the outlawing of slavery because Batarian culture and caste system was defined by slavery and was thus inextricable from it."
That says nothing about the Batarian Hegemony promoting terrorism. Unless you specifically find evidence that proves otherwise, the defense rests. And if you ever work up the guts to charm or intimidate Charn, you will find out that Shepard convinces him to stop his involvement with the slave trade. But no, you never him a chance to atone. All you think of is slave grab, and it's the end of the line for them!

You can't expect me actually come out and trust them. They've been given chances. Plenty. But they still whine and commit acts of terror, and they expect people to heed their "cry for help"? Look at ME2s mission where you have to choose between the colony and the industrial sector that Batarians are about to destroy. Look at those guys threatening Mordin's assistant, blaming the plague on Humans when he only came to help them. Also, remember Jacob's game(he mentioned it in ME2 )where he thwarted a Batarian bioweapon attack on the Citadel Council while they were in discussions of peace! They tried to go the Pearl Harbor route: attack us while our back was turned.

Again, you dodge the point of my discussion. I never expected you to trust them in the first place as not even I do; I'm just proving that NOT ALL Batarians are necessarily raging savages. I NEVER said they didn't commit horrible atrocities against humans and the Council or peace-loving hippies. As for for Mordin's assistant, David: who honestly in their right mind- besides humans- thinks that the Vorcha can manufacture a plague that infects every species except themselves and humans? After meeting the Vorcha in the Omega shopping area, I certainly wouldn't have guessed that, and I doubt you did either. The Batarians did their research: Vorcha are just dumbasses that grub in the mud. Those vaccine vials that David was carrying could have been easily mistaken for vials with the virus. And if it wasn't for the Collectors, the Vorcha wouldn't have had the necessary materials to manufacture the plague in the first place. Honestly, you act as if Batarians are the only terrorists out there. I got news for you: they're not. Humans have commited acts of terror as well, even against their own species. You know that for a fact!

Like someone has said, "We are sinners and saints." The Batarians have proven to be "sinners and douchebags". And about David,  it's like my Shep said, why would he be walking around all willy-nilly in Vorcha territory, alone, with this so called "virus" that he "supposedly" had?  Even the Batarians admit that it dosen't make sense one you charm them. The Batarians were working off of their prejudice of Humanity, not facts. Just a decision based soley apon prejudice.

Also, you don't know for certain that Charn will quit. Just because he "said so". He could easily turn his back on his word, go underground. Heck, you don't know what he's been doing for the past 2 years since your death. He could have easily turned back to it. He's probably out there, doing slave grabs that won't put him on the radar like it did at X-57.  Not for me though, because I ended the problem.

At least I've seen the good in my species. All I've seen from Batarians is douchebagginess. And yes, the Hegemony DOES support slavery. It's a part of Batarian culture. If the Batarians want to use that stuff, fine, I deplore it, but I don't control them. Do it in your space, to your species, no one else! Leave everyone else out of it! But because they infringe apon Humans and plant control chips into people's brains (without anesthetic) and round 'em up on a slave raid,  I don't see the good and they need to be dealt with. They are a problem. It's time to stop ignoring it. If the Reapers don't take them out, heck, I'll lead the war against them once Humanity is back to its full strength with support from the Council. The time is coming to end this.

Like I said in a post before, "Who is up for a bombing run/glassing of Khar'Shan?!"

[GreenDragon37]

maddenking2010 wrote...

I kinda whish there was a way to go up to that mad prophet on omega, and punch him the balls ( or the batarian equivalent) and then act like nothing happend, how epic would that be. the people standing around him, would just be like " ha, bout time'

Your post is epic WIN!

[GreenDragon37]

Anyway, I'm tired. I'll continue this tommorow. See y'all!

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...At least I've seen the good in my species. All I've seen from Batarians is douchebagginess. And yes, the Hegemony DOES support slavery. It's a part of Batarian culture. If the Batarians want to use that stuff, fine, I deplore it, but I don't control them. Do it in your space, to your species, no one else! Leave everyone else out of it! But because they infringe apon Humans and plant control chips into people's brains (without anesthetic) and round 'em up on a slave raid,  I don't see the good and they need to be dealt with. They are a problem. It's time to stop ignoring it. If the Reapers don't take them out, heck, I'll lead the war against them once Humanity is back to its full strength with support from the Council. The time is coming to end this.

Once again, you completely ignore some of my points. I realize the Hegemony supports slavery, but NOT terrorism! Get that through your head. You don't see the good because you don't want to and never will want to because of your prejudiced belief against them. You'll only see "douchebagginess" from them because you hate Batarians and- if presented with the option- you'll kill them off one by one. If you treat them like deuchebags, big surprise, they'll retaliate and do the same. And the cycle will repeat itself.

Oh, and I made it "perfectly clear" to Charn that I'd kill him on sight should I ever catch him in another human slave grab.

Modifié par Clone 071, 25 juin 2010 - 06:26 .