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[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

Honestly, Pull Field is just my anti-Husk. Every time there are Husks on a mission, I bring a squad mate who can strip their armor with one attack(Miranda, Mordin, Samara, and Thane can all do this), and when three or more Husks are down to just health, I use Pull Field. It's just so effective and so fun.

[Irzhen]

I never understood why pull field is so good. It's pretty much a wider singularity that doesn't stop enemies as long if they have defenses and can't be used to block narrow passages. I always play at insanity and maybe it's just me but when I get an enemy without defenses I just use singularity for a warp bomb to hit the others around him. Then, most of the times they are without defenses but too spread to make full use of pull field. Against husks I can see why it's so useful, but I never felt like I needed it to deal with them. Am I missing something here on pull field? Besides the fun factor of seeing enemies fly

[sinosleep]

Pull is not only a quicker projectile (try casting one after the other and check the travel time) but it's on a quicker cool down as well. When enemies have defenses I throw a singularity, if they are already defenseless then pull field is the better option. Not to mention that singularities last a LOT longer than people give them credit for. A good tactic that I see seldom used is to cast a singularity at one group and then pull field on another.

Modifié par sinosleep, 14 novembre 2010 - 09:10 .

[Irzhen]

I know that, what I was saying, although not exactly explicit (my bad), was why take the pull field instead of heavy pull. Like I said, I usually only have one enemy without defenses alive at a time. So pull field won't actually do much good. That's why I usually only take 1 or 2 levels on pull, it's enough for a warp explosion. I'm actually tempted to drop the heavy throw and give a try to pull field, but I just can't seem to find a good enough reason to stop throwing enemies at the walls

Modifié par Irzhen, 14 novembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[sinosleep]

I tend to go with pull field cause I find far more uses for it than I do for heavy throw. I very rarely if ever do pull/throw combos due to the combination of instinctively going to warp bombs and the fact that when indoors enemies manage to survive them all the time any way. Since I don't much care for throw, it inevitably leads me to max pull.

[Sparrow44]

Pull travels alot faster than Singularity does and has a shorter cooldown, granted each power has different uses. Singularity functions as a trap; you cast it at opponents and focus on any stragglers not caught in it, Pull (Field) and to some extent Throw allow faster options of dealing with enemies.



Comes down to preference really, Singularity and Warp is a potent combo but it does get a little repetitive, mixing it up with other powers creates a more diverse playstyle.

[Irzhen]

That makes sense. I take heavy throw mostly because I find it funny to throw enemies at walls, then while they are still getting up running to them and melee them, then when they start fighting back throw then again while punching them to death. It might not be very effective and end up with some deaths, but I find it pretty funny and a change of pace since I never take shotgun training. I will respec on my next mission to give pull field a try, maybe I will change my mind.

That tactic to use singularity on one group and pull field on the other I don't think I would use it a lot. My usual play stile is to focus on one enemy and kill him as fast as possible. It's very rare for me to have more than 2 enemies without defenses unless they are husks because with the warp explosions they ended dying of accumulated damage of different explosions. Thanks for your opinion, wasn't expecting such a fast reply xD

[Sparrow44]

sinosleep wrote...

I tend to go with pull field cause I find far more uses for it than I do for heavy throw. I very rarely if ever do pull/throw combos due to the combination of instinctively going to warp bombs and the fact that when indoors enemies manage to survive them all the time any way. Since I don't much care for throw, it inevitably leads me to max pull.

Yeah I can understand that Pull Field is chosen over Heavy Throw as Pull obviously exposes enemies and renders them helpless whereas Throw does the opposite so to speak, however arcing Throw on Pull'd enemies from underneath them usually sends 'em flying off the map. Useless in areas with corridors and ceilings so Warp is a better choice there.

Although Warp explosions are cool for the effects I guess...

[Bozorgmehr]

Pull Field has a great stagger ability, you can stagger multiple enemies for a short time; and Pull is on a fast cooldown - great utility. It's also very forgiving; it can be hard at times to target the right (unprotected) enemy when they are clustered; using Pull Field on a group (with at least one unprotected enemy) will guarantee the target will be pulled into the air.

Remember that you can only have one Singularity active; and since they can last pretty long, you don't want to use it again (the one in place will be gone instantly). Powers like Pull and Throw should be used in between Singularities. If one's active and holding enemies or blocking a strategic position it's best to leave it there before casting a Singularity again.

Personally I prefer Heavy Throw and only one point in Pull (that's something bad about Pull; one point is great and ten points are great, but everything in between isn't worth it); I use squadmate's Pull Field primarily. Using one to insta-strip defenses; followed by Pull Field will get 2-3 enemies into the air consistently; ready to be finished by Shep's Warp, Throw or gunfire.

[Sparrow44]

Irzhen wrote...

That makes sense. I take heavy throw mostly because I find it funny to throw enemies at walls, then while they are still getting up running to them and melee them, then when they start fighting back throw then again while punching them to death. It might not be very effective and end up with some deaths, but I find it pretty funny and a change of pace since I never take shotgun training. I will respec on my next mission to give pull field a try, maybe I will change my mind.

Yeah Throw is funny when used on Krogan just watching them being flung around while they roar helplessly is a sight. Shame Heavy Throw doesn't do serious damage to enemies slammed against walls though, perhaps makes it overpowered I guess but then thats what Warp is for.

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

I actually don't have a single point in Throw at all. I have Pull Field, Unstable Warp, Wide Singularity, Squad Warp Ammo, Nemesis, and my one leftover point goes to Shockwave, because I occasionally use it to knock enemies out of cover long enough to shoot them in the head.



What does Singularity do to enemies who are protected? I heard that it roots them in place...is that true?

[Sparrow44]

Singularity will hold them in place, stops certain enemies from using powers (Harbinger & Scions...) and gradually wear down defenses I think, only really noticed the defense stripping on lower tiered enemies though and sometimes enemies are able to walk out of it or Singularity ends alot sooner.

Question to Boz or anyone who can answer, does biotic damage upgrades factor into Singularity's defense stripping or does it not count?

Modifié par Sparroww, 14 novembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

Sparroww wrote...

stops certain enemies from using powers (Harbinger & Scions...)

...well, now, that's a rather big deal, isn't it?

[Sparrow44]

Miss Yuna of Atlanta wrote...

Sparroww wrote...

stops certain enemies from using powers (Harbinger & Scions...)

...well, now, that's a rather big deal, isn't it?

Two annoying enemies and you can shut them down while still being able to hurt them?

I'd say its a big deal indeed.

[Irzhen]

Singularity, from what I can tell, doesn't exactly root enemies in place when they have protection. It does keep them in place if they are small (regular mercs, mechs etc), but against heavier enemies like krogan it just slows them down, that's because when enemies have protection singularity have the same effect of pull on protected enemies, it will "stun" them for a second or two, then they can move again, but unlike pull, singularity will stay there, so that will happen again until they are out of the radius of singularity. Usually they don't have time to shoot when on a singularity, but I noticed krogan can usually take one shot before getting "stunned" again. I got killed sometimes because of that, I though that as long singularity could hold them in place they wouldn't shoot. Also heavy singularity will do a lot of damage to shield if the enemy stays there for the whole duration (almost enough to strip a normal merc from their shields without needing any help). For more protected enemies, the damage will still be there but you will notice it less since it's basically a DoT and they need to remain inside the singularity, the kind of thing more powerful enemies aren't likely to do.

I think the biotic damage does count for damage for singularity but that's just imo.

And pull field it's actually funny too, and more safe I will keep it for a few more missions to have a more extensive comparion to see which one I prefer

[Sparrow44]

I think Singularity constantly 'stunlocks' protected foes which is how they remain trapped, or at least its a similar animation to being repeatedly hit by throw on defenses. And yeah enemies can still shoot whilst in Singularity with protection, learned that by trying to rush krogan with shotguns whilst its up and almost got them to health then shotgunned in the face myself.

[mcsupersport]

Miss Yuna of Atlanta wrote...

Sparroww wrote...

stops certain enemies from using powers (Harbinger & Scions...)

...well, now, that's a rather big deal, isn't it?

Especially on higher levels those enemies will tear through a wide singularity almost as fast as you cast it.  I have gotten much better results using the Heavy version to hold more and longer.  Many don't like the tight area it effects but for holding bosses, it makes a world of difference.  Also as an anti-husk device, heavy singularity is almost unmatched.

Drop a heavy on the floor, move behind it with squad also behind shooting husks as they come.  Just strip the armor off, and let the singularity lift and insta kill them.  If the singularity dies or they start getting past move back and repeat.  The abandoned mine with all the husks in it, was completely cleared with this tactic, and having Jacob and Grunt for teammates.  Yes it takes awhile but they will eventually stop spawning.

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

That's an interesting strategy. I'll be sure to give it a try and see what I think.

Do players here prefer Heavy Warp or Unstable Warp? I can't really decide, but I'm leaning towards Unstable Warp, because the more I play, the more I'm thinking that against single enemies or ones that have been separated from the group, a Pull seems best followed with a barrage of weapon fire, usually from my Locust. Warp detonations are mostly good for crowd control as far as I can tell, and if the goal is to hit as many enemies as possible, I might as well use the evolution with the largest area of effect, right?

Modifié par Miss Yuna of Atlanta, 17 novembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

Heavy singularity is better on armored enemies but i find wide singularity better against husks or if you stripped enemies defenses since you trap more enemies and get a wider explosion when you detonate it.

Heavy warp is better against single enemies since it does 40 more damage but since enemies tend to come in groups unstable warp might be more useful in those situations but it depends largely on biotic combinations, squadmates (you should atleast have one who have overload so you can focus on your biotics instead of stripping away shields) and how you prefer to play. (Unstable and Heavy warp have the same cooldown for Shepard).

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 17 novembre 2010 - 09:27 .

[Kaylord]

Miss Yuna of Atlanta wrote...

That's an interesting strategy. I'll be sure to give it a try and see what I think.

Do players here prefer Heavy Warp or Unstable Warp? I can't really decide, but I'm leaning towards Unstable Warp, because the more I play, the more I'm thinking that against single enemies or ones that have been separated from the group, a Pull seems best followed with a barrage of weapon fire, usually from my Locust. Warp detonations are mostly good for crowd control as far as I can tell, and if the goal is to hit as many enemies as possible, I might as well use the evolution with the largest area of effect, right?

I always played with wide singularity so far, but I see the point in using the heavy version. As concerning Warp, I would always recommend Heavy Warp. Shepard can cast the fastest heavy warp compared to squadmates. And a combination of an instant pull field done by a squadmate and then your own fast-cooldown heavy warp is absolutely deadly.

On use of Pull Field is a very long disabling of defenseless enemies. This might sound trivial, since people tend to think that enemies down to health are no problem. Well, they are when you are swarmed. Instead of killing them, a fast pull field leaves time to deal with the other enemies which still have defenses.

The other use of Pull Field is the absolutely deadly effect of warp ammo. Use pull field and your squad mates almost instantly kill them. You are free to go for the more dangeous enemies which still have defenses on.

In comparison, I see only were situation specific uses for Throw. If you have ledges, platforms and chasms about, then Throw is an even quicker ´finishing move´ than Pull. One point in Throw is sometimes not enough to throw them far enough to fall down the platform, but putting more points is nevertheless no priority.

[Bozorgmehr]

Wide Singularity is counter productive; the larger radius looks nice, but actually severely limits its usefulness. More trapped enemies reduce its duration (significantly) and since the Wide version doesn't last particularly long this can (and will) cause problems. It's also important to remember Singularities will dissolve instantly when you step into its AoE; the extra radius makes this happen more likely especially for SG Adepts who need to get close to their targets.

I never use Wide because of the above and the Heavy radius is good enough; there are not that many occasions you actually need the extra radius. Try to target doors and other spam points; small corridors; and well fortified positions (usually occupied by multiple enemies). Try to arc your Singularity. Casting it directly towards enemies behind cover usually results in the Singularity hitting an obstacle instead of an enemy; to be effective Singularities must 'hit' the target.

Also remember that playing on Insanity difficulty means you receive a 20% durations penalty (all powers), this isn't a big problem using Heavy, but the Wide simply doesn't last long enough (even with the 20+20% duration bonus from research and passive). One of the most effective ways to use Singularities is to trap/hold (or at least slow down) protected enemies; giving you time to remove defenses; ragdoll the enemy/enemies; and Warp 'm. It's pretty annoying to watch your (Wide) Singularity disappear right after you fired a Warp.

Sparroww wrote...

Question to Boz or anyone who can answer, does biotic damage upgrades factor into Singularity's defense stripping or does it not count?

Yes I'm quite certain biotic upgrades do increase Singularity's damage (I'm not sure if Nemesis and Bastion have the same effect; Bastion increases duration; Nemesis power damage). Heavy Singularity does reasonable damage; I've seen Heavy Singularity (6/6 upgrades) remove shield/barrier/armor entirely (no additional damage; only Singularity) in one go; plus those enemies were caught/ragdolled once defenses were down and I could warp detonate them. This however doesn't happen very often. Overall, Singularity is a rather eratic power; usually it works as intended, but sometimes enemies break free or the Singularity dissolves way too soon, or they just walk straight through unharmed.

Guess this must be the common power bug (same thing happens with many other powers)

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Heavy singularity is better on armored enemies but i find wide singularity better against husks or if you stripped enemies defenses since you trap more enemies and get a wider explosion when you detonate it.

I prefer Heavy against husks. Heavy can hold more enemies (6 vs Wide's 4) and it'll hold them longer. Once defenses are down, it's better to use Pull or Throw (Field preferably); they're on a shorter cooldown and they reach target faster (Pull and Throw projectiles travel faster than Singularity).

Warp explosion's detonation radius is determined only by Warp (Singularity doesn't have any influence)

Miss Yuna of Atlanta wrote...

Do players here prefer Heavy Warp or Unstable Warp? I can't really decide, but I'm leaning towards Unstable Warp, because the more I play, the more I'm thinking that against single enemies or ones that have been separated from the group, a Pull seems best followed with a barrage of weapon fire, usually from my Locust. Warp detonations are mostly good for crowd control as far as I can tell, and if the goal is to hit as many enemies as possible, I might as well use the evolution with the largest area of effect, right?

Squadies should always use Unstable Warp due to its 9 instead of 12 s cooldown (NG+ is a different story though). For Shep it doesn't matter, both versions will do great damage. Personaly I prefer Heavy because the 5 m radius is huge already (there are hardly situations you'll actually need Unstable Warp's extra 2 m radius). The only thing about Warp I care about is the ability to instantly strip (normal) enemies' defenses; this can be done with rank 3 Warp. Remember you can use squadmate's (Unstable) Warp if the extra radius matters and use Shep's Heavy Warp to inflict maximum damage.

Modifié par Bozorgmehr, 17 novembre 2010 - 06:47 .

[NICKjnp]

Quick little thing about wide singularity. An adept with an assault rifle and stasis doesn't need heavy singularity. Wide singularity can act as pull field and stasis can take care of large threats that would dissolve the singularity too quickly. This frees up points to put into shockwave (which at level three can come in handy at points...even on insanity). I completely agree with the need to use heavy when you have a shotgun adept and using heavy barrier...but assault rifle adepts with stasis don't need heavy singularity.

[The Spamming Troll]

shockwave will never be handy on insanity. its a waste of a cooldown. its a waste of 3 points. its fun as hell on casual tho!

[kstarler]

NICKjnp wrote...

Quick little thing about wide singularity. An adept with an assault rifle and stasis doesn't need heavy singularity. Wide singularity can act as pull field and stasis can take care of large threats that would dissolve the singularity too quickly. This frees up points to put into shockwave (which at level three can come in handy at points...even on insanity). I completely agree with the need to use heavy when you have a shotgun adept and using heavy barrier...but assault rifle adepts with stasis don't need heavy singularity.

I actually still find Heavy useful, especially for collector missions because Harby can't be put in Stasis. But with AR it becomes more about preference and less about necessity. I always use Heavy versions over Area versions (excluding Pull and Reave) just because I find that the majority of uses I get out my powers are against single or paired foes, and it seems less common that I get a cluster that is tight enough to justify it. Still, when you do see 6 guys fly in different directions from an unstable warp, it can be pretty satifying.

[sinosleep]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

shockwave will never be handy on insanity. its a waste of a cooldown. its a waste of 3 points. its fun as hell on casual tho!

Gotta agree with this. Shockwave is an AWFUL ability. One of the absolute worst in the game.