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[termokanden]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

do you think theres some magical way to play an adept on insanity??? there no learning curve to play an adept on insanity. once you "understand" that biotics dont work, you stop using them. really, im not some dolphin here without opposable thumbs.

Biotics don't work? Or they don't work the way you want them to work? There's a big difference. I can accept if you have a different opinion, but saying they don't work at all is simply wrong.

[Waltzingbear]

That's right Adepts on Insanity are ineffective at best. The only way that you can MAYBE get through a mission is by using Concussive Shots and Overload.
edit: and melee:blink:

Modifié par Waltzingbear, 07 mai 2011 - 07:58 .

[mcsupersport]

The Spamming Troll wrote...



do you think theres some magical way to play an adept on insanity??? there no learning curve to play an adept on insanity. once you "understand" that biotics dont work, you stop using them. really, im not some dolphin here without opposable thumbs.

enemy protections still exist on lower difficulties.

Well they work for me, and for a bunch of others as well, so I am going to have to start questioning the thumbs part.  You want what you want, and don't see any point in adapting to how they work now, so you shout they don't work.  They can be VERY effective on all levels, with Veteran and below going so far as to be overpowered.  I use just as much biotics on Insanity level as I do on Veteran levels and below, I just have to add a bit of shooting or other squad members powers in.  Heck, I even did a no shooting Adept run on Hardcore just for kicks, and I guarantee you I didn't just stand around all fight activating medi-gel to keep my team alive so they can kill everything.  

We are telling you something you don't want to hear, because you want your "Biotic God" back so you can be a "Great Wind" and sweep everyone away like a...a great wind.  Sorry, but too many poeple and bunches in this thread all say the same thing, Adepts aren't gimped unless you play them to be, and then there is you and a very few others saying "Oh, they destroyed the Adept, I can't play it!!  It is so weak!!"  The same was said about Vanguards at higher levels many months ago, until people learned how to play, so I will tell you the same others had to be told, LEARN TO PLAY THE class AND IT IS FINE AT ALL LEVELS, AND EVEN VERY POWERFUL AT INSANITY LEVEL!!

[Bozorgmehr]

@ The Spamming Troll;

Could you please save your views on how you like biotic powers to work on Insanity for other threads.

This one is about what Adepts can do on Insanity (and below) - which is quite a lot. It's not about what they cannot do or what any of us would like them to do.

Thanks

[The Spamming Troll]

youve got to be kidding me.

[lolwut666]

I think I discovered my favorite Adept build in the game.

Warp 2
Heavy Throw
Singularity 3
Pull Field
Improved Shockwave
Nemesis
Barrier 1

Yeah, I know it sucks in theory, but it's just too damn fun.

Making enemies fly all over the place beats that old Warp explosion any day.

Indoors it becomes a little limited, but that can be easily dealt with by using the Avalanche to freeze enemies and then Heavy Throw for an insta-kill.

It rocks.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

mcsupersport wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...



do you think theres some magical way to play an adept on insanity??? there no learning curve to play an adept on insanity. once you "understand" that biotics dont work, you stop using them. really, im not some dolphin here without opposable thumbs.

enemy protections still exist on lower difficulties.

Well they work for me, and for a bunch of others as well, so I am going to have to start questioning the thumbs part. [/snip] 

Yeah, I mean, I just posted a page back that I pretty much just jumped from a Veteran Adept to an Insanity Adept with minimal learning curve. I've never played Insanity before this!

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 08 mai 2011 - 02:06 .

[ViolentCone]

My first insanity run was with an adept. Had a blast with it... never will understand the complaints about them on insanity *shrug*. Every class has to get through protections in one form or another.

Btw great guide OP

Modifié par ViolentCone, 08 mai 2011 - 07:11 .

[goofyomnivore]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Asari Shepard lost her mind! Going Vanguard? What the hell is she thinking?

No more Singularity, no more Warp and Throw. Vanguards are gimped Adepts with Charge at best ...

Let's ask Asari Shepard about her view on the matter: What's it gonna be, Adept or Vanguard?

Awesome video. I play my Vanguard similar. I don't like Stasis, so I like to use Reave, but you made Pull Field look incredibly fun , which I have had very little game time using. Since I usually evolve Reave to immitate the Warp niche, and that doesn't let me have Pull Field.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Another video that is awesome, thx for 2nd song title.
Adept or Vanguard? That's the question.(my another ME2 walkthrough). Nice Vanguard ownage indeed. Could you pm me how to reload trick the Claymore ? It's the only weapon I've never used in ME2 before.

[JaegerBane]

ViolentCone wrote...

My first insanity run was with an adept. Had a blast with it... never will understand the complaints about them on insanity *shrug*. Every class has to get through protections in one form or another.

Btw great guide OP

The complaints are easy enough to understand, really - mostly based around the situation that the telekinesis-like powers play significantly less part in the gameplay of the Adept and that it generally shifts to a more ME1 Vanguard-style method. Sure, every class needs to break through protections, but not every class derives so much of it's gameplay from using powers that only function once defences are down. Just try Shockwave on Insanity, that will pretty much tell you everything you need to know.

'Course, there are people on here who take it to a new level and effectively claim that the Adept only plays as a 'gimped soldier' or words to that effect, so it can be difficult to figure out what specifically some of the complainers are putting forward. As far as I'm concerned, any doubts I had about how well the Adept played on Insanity were answered by the video in my sig.

[JaegerBane]

termokanden wrote...

Unfortunately if they allowed biotics to be as strong as they are against unprotected enemies, but always, then the adept class would be completely overpowered. You'd have to tone down biotics otherwise. Might make them a bit boring.

Not saying they got it completely right, but there is a problem here. If you get jedi powers that can suck a whole room full of enemies into a singularity, then where is the challenge?

There is the argument that they did this with the Soldier, however, so it's a little difficult to understand why they felt they needed to be so careful with the Adept's abilities when the Soldier basically has a 3-sec cooldown god mode. If they're going to concern themselves with balance, they should really do so across all the classes.

But yeah, the challenge is a big issue. I once tried to playthrough an Adept with the coalesced.ini set to allow biotics to work through protections, and it totally warped the balance of thr Adept to the point where it became just as much a one-trick-pony as the Vanguard. Singularity had virtually no purpose. There's no doubt in my mind that the current method provides far better gameplay.

[Waltzingbear]

Pippi Shepard is a very special girl, she does everything upside down. Clumsy girl, she just refuses to act like normal girls at her class; wielding a shotgun, closing up with enemies, running into her own Singularity… oh my, oh my.

Please help the poor gal, she just doesn’t understand.

Look!

[RedCaesar97]

Waltzingbear wrote...

Pippi Shepard is a very special girl, she does everything upside down. Clumsy girl, she just refuses to act like normal girls at her class; wielding a shotgun, closing up with enemies, running into her own Singularity… oh my, oh my.

Please help the poor gal, she just doesn’t understand.

Look!

Nice! I'm still surprised you made it out alive in that list bit.

[AK404]

I'm not a really good player when it comes to biotics. Just starting off as an adept, really, but I've watched the vids, considered the powers, and have seen the possibilities of what they can do.

One of the ideas I'm glad I carried away from playing an infiltrator is that your class-specific ability shouldn't be spammed. Once I noticed that adepts have a crazy low cooldown with pull and throw, my immediate thought was that these were going to be my adept's bread-and-butter moves, not singularity. Singularity is nice, sure, but it has to be used carefully.

What annoys me somewhat is that biotics are useless against the last boss, but you can't have everything.

[The Spamming Troll]

Waltzingbear wrote...

Pippi Shepard is a very special girl, she does everything upside down. Clumsy girl, she just refuses to act like normal girls at her class; wielding a shotgun, closing up with enemies, running into her own Singularity… oh my, oh my.

Please help the poor gal, she just doesn’t understand.

Look!

my understanding is youve played ME2 alot. your weapon reticle lead every corner for every enemy. i dont think that has alot to do with the adpet so much as you getting bored with ME2.

its cool at 1:42 you can see melee working better then using heavy throw! your better off simply running up to an enemy and meleeing them instead of using a maxxed ability thats only purpose is CC. that is funny, to me.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 13 mai 2011 - 12:39 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^Them be fightin' words! Scrap!!  

[Ahglock]

The Spamming Troll wrote...


my understanding is youve played ME2 alot. your weapon reticle lead every corner for every enemy. i dont think that has alot to do with the adpet so much as you getting bored with ME2.

its cool at 1:42 you can see melee working better then using heavy throw! your better off simply running up to an enemy and meleeing them instead of using a maxxed ability thats only purpose is CC. that is funny, to me.

Yeah, I notice the same thing.  Still not sure if that means melee is too good, or the "stagger" from CC attacks is too weak, but it does seem a bit off to me.  

[Bozorgmehr]

Waltzingbear wrote...

Pippi Shepard is a very special girl, she does everything upside down. Clumsy girl, she just refuses to act like normal girls at her class; wielding a shotgun, closing up with enemies, running into her own Singularity… oh my, oh my.

Please help the poor gal, she just doesn’t understand.

Look!

Haha, very nice! Ponytail Pippi did rather well though I'm not sure her elevator-ambush was a good idea

Awesome video, excellent play and one of the coolest missions too (added to the OP), oh and good point about running into your own Singularity. That's really shotgun-unfriendly - a crime reallly - nothing should interfere with good-old-point-blank-hit-em-in-the-face stuff.

I vote for the option to go dancing in ones own Singularity in ME3  Biotic-Breakdancing FTW!

[Waltzingbear]

Oh sorry I made you mess up the color scheme.

Heh, I've been toying with a few shotgun builds lately, specifically Claymore Soldier, and I've found that having a squaddy who uses Pull or Throw to momentarily stagger enemies when I close up on them could be effective, especially Samara or Jack due to shorter cooldown. So I thought: how would it be if I was to provide those staggers; hence the shotgun only Adept.
It doesn't synergize as well, mainly because when a Soldier sprints the stagger lasts twice as long, and it could be very hard to achieve and brutal, but it's fun to goof around with.

Thought I should share if someone's looking for an unconventional play style.

Modifié par Waltzingbear, 13 mai 2011 - 11:48 .

[Bozorgmehr]

Waltzingbear wrote...

Oh sorry I made you mess up the color scheme.

Don't ask All I say about this is that it's been the first and last time I tried to change the OP using another computer.

BSN formatting AARRGGG

Heh, I've been toying with a few shotgun builds lately, specifically Claymore Soldier, and I've found that having a squaddy who uses Pull or Throw to momentarily stagger enemies when I close up on them could be effective, especially Samara or Jack due to shorter cooldown. So I thought: how would it be if I was to provide those staggers; hence the shotgun only Adept.
It doesn't synergize as well, mainly because when a Soldier sprints the stagger lasts twice as long, and it could be very hard to achieve and brutal, but it's fun to goof around with.

Thought I should share if someone's looking for an unconventional play style.

Yeah, good points. I tried something similar with my latest Vanguard run. Pull Field and Improved Shockwave are excellent staggers which can be used to run up to an enemy without taking much damage. Good thing about the Vanguard is you can always use Charge whenever things don't go as planned. Kudos to you for doing this with an Adept!

Never tried it on a Claymore Soldier, NS might be a nice bonus power to stagger enemies - I really hate not being able to reload while in ARush though, that really screws the Claymore. Staggers might be a good alternative and ARush is always nice to have when facing Elites and the like who cannot be OSOK ed outside ARush.

Who'd have though those 'clumsy' biotic staggers could be of use to a Soldier?

[jwalker]

Waltzingbear wrote...

Pippi Shepard is a very special girl, she does everything upside down. Clumsy girl, she just refuses to act like normal girls at her class; wielding a shotgun, closing up with enemies, running into her own Singularity… oh my, oh my.

Please help the poor gal, she just doesn’t understand.

Look!

Very nice vid !!
And I loved the music. Didn't heard those in while

[Sparrow44]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

UEFA can't stop that - if you'd like to pay me 5 mln a year for posting here at the BSN, you can - no law can stop you doing something like that. You wouldn't hear me complaining if you did

From another thread...

So that's why you make those Adept vids Boz, clearly a record signing for BioWare

On-topic: Oh and very nice Adept video WaltzingBear, Eviscerator destroys ragdolled targets with one shot especially the charging krogan. Good Job

[Bozorgmehr]

LOL - unfortunately I'm not the striker BW is looking for atm I'm the one who's paying (a tiny bit of) their bills. Of course BW can PM me any day ...

[Waltzingbear]

Just so you won't say this only works on krogans, here's one with humans, asari and one big fat yahg.
www.youtube.com/watch

Disclaimer- the effects of what content is shown in the video were not tested on bunnies, kittens or unicorns in any way... yet. I will try it tomorrow and report my results.