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[Onyx Jaguar]

We all know that the Human milkshake is better than theirs

[DOYOURLABS]

ME2 | 22. If the Disabled Collector Vessel was a trap by the Collectors, why would they leave behind a large cache of upgraded weapons for Shepard to pick from?



They were left over from the abducted colonists. A better question would be why Shepard couldn't take all of them.



ME2 | 26. Mordin told Shepard that they made covert drops of the modified genophage on Tuchanka's water supplies and hospitals. What about all the krogan in the rest of the galaxy?



He says he drops it on other krogan centers too. But after the krogan rebellions they probably don't have any major colonies anymore.



ME1 | 27. On Therum, if there were so many enemies (including underground), why didn't any of them use the mining laser first to get around the barrier?

Because they needed to hack it to work. The geth should have been able to do this though.



ME2 | 30. The Illusive Man said that an Alliance science team discovered the great rift on Klendagon, but it was a Cerberus team that traced the location of the Derelict Reaper. What happened to the Alliance science team?



They didn't discover the great rift, they just determined it was an impact crater. Most likely they didn't waste resources tracking the origin of the shot.



ME1 | 33. If hanar are allowed to roam on the Presidium, where is their Embassy and where is the Hanar Ambassador?

They might not have one, or it's in another section. Tali is allowed in but the quarians don't have an embassy.



ME1 | 37. Why did the Protheans disable the Keepers' reaction to open the Citadel relay instead of disabling the relay portion of the Citadel itself (both the Keepers and the Citadel are advanced technology, after all)?



Two different technologies. Plus they had no food or water so they probably only had time for one.



ME2 | 38. Why did the Collector Base only have one ship to defend itself when the Base itself is the size of a planet?



First, it wasn't the size of a planet. But they should have had more ships. It was probably a lack of a contingency plan because they didn't expect anyone to make it there. Same reason there is no internal security network.

[LorDC]

Makkovar wrote...
Either they can just fly in super-fast, making it all quite easy

I kinda see a leap of logic in this part.

Makkovar wrote...
What I don't really like in ME universe is how humanity is made to look so "special". We're new in the galaxy politics, we still should have a lot to learn, and the only reason we have a council seat is because the player's not allowed to choose his character's race in this game. So... yeah...

I think it was intentional.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

ME2 | 38. Why did the Collector Base only have one ship to defend itself when the Base itself is the size of a planet?



First, it wasn't the size of a planet. But they should have had more ships. It was probably a lack of a contingency plan because they didn't expect anyone to make it there. Same reason there is no internal security network.



I'd like to expand on this - the latter isn't a plot hole, it's just a little obfuscated in the scene - EDI fails to detect an internal security network, but Joker then points out that their sensors might have been knocked offline like the Normandy was when the Collector ship exploded.

[Makkovar]

LorDC wrote...
I think it was intentional.

What do you mean by that? Cause I don't see anything cool in that.

EDIT: Yeah, maybe it does.

I don't know what was BioWare's intent in doing so, but I guess you need an excuse to defeat the Reapers with a human...

Modifié par Makkovar, 17 juin 2010 - 04:57 .

[LorDC]

Makkovar wrote...
What do you mean by that? Cause I don't see anything cool in that.

I only mean that Bioware intended humanity to look uber-active in ME universe. I don't see anything cool in it but I don't see anything bad in it either. Personally I'd rather see it being more like 50 years because 26 leads to very cramped timeline. But 26 serves good enough for me.
That kinda goes off-topic don't you think?

Modifié par LorDC, 17 juin 2010 - 04:43 .

[ADLegend21]

ME1-During Emily Wong's second assignment in traffic control towers. Even though there are two C-sec officers right there, neither of them notice Shepard planting a scanning device on the keeper, or notice him planting a bug.



ME2-On the citadel the Galactic news Mentions no one knows what Commander shepard is doing or has been doing, but fails to mention that shepard has endorsed several stores on the Zakera ward or was invloved in the Joram Taleed incident.

[didymos1120]

ADLegend21 wrote...

ME1-During Emily Wong's second assignment in traffic control towers. Even though there are two C-sec officers right there, neither of them notice Shepard planting a scanning device on the keeper, or notice him planting a bug.

OK, first off, you don't plant anything on the Keeper.  You scan it.  Hence, the scanner.  That's the whole point, because physically messing with them is way obvious and liable to make them self-destruct.

As for the other: yes and no one cares if you go around blowing up fire extinguishers or run everywhere you go with your weapon drawn.  May as well complain that not being able to talk to every single person you see is a plot hole.  Or that NPCs will eternally wait in the exact same spot until you happen to feel like stopping by to do their sidequest.

ME2-On the citadel the Galactic news Mentions no one knows what Commander shepard is doing or has been doing, but fails to mention that shepard has endorsed several stores on the Zakera ward or was invloved in the Joram Taleed incident.

The endorsements are basically just for laughs, so who cares how illogical it is that no one notices?  That just makes it funnier. As to the latter: Bailey ain't talking, and he ain't keeping accurate records on that one either.  I imagine that those C-Sec subordinates involved aren't looking to ****** him off by going on the record about it, if they'd even consider doing so in the first place.   Mouse definitely ain't talking, and Taleed would probably have preferred getting shot to having to acknowledge that some human, much less the Cmdr. Shepard, had to save his leathery Turian backside from some total amateur Drell kid.  Doubt the mercs involved are looking to invite any scrutiny either, for any number of obvious reasons.  Kolyat?  Yeah, right.

No, the real issue there is Kelham: how in the hell does a guy like that, and what's more a human guy, not recognize Shepard immediately? He's obviously involved with some of the shadier aspects of Citadel politics, and has a clear pro-human bias.  Kind of hard to do that at all well if you're, you know, totally ignorant of current events, and Kelham is clearly not a total failure.  Cut-throat, criminal bastard, sure, but a fairly successful one (and he only failed here due to sheer bad luck and bad timing.  Kinda hard to factor resurrected Spectres into your plans, after all). Regardless of all that, he wouldn't talk to the press either.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 juin 2010 - 07:05 .

[InvaderErl]

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...

ME2 | 38. Why did the Collector Base only have one ship to defend itself when the Base itself is the size of a planet?

First, it wasn't the size of a planet. But they should have had more ships. It was probably a lack of a contingency plan because they didn't expect anyone to make it there. Same reason there is no internal security network.

I'd like to expand on this - the latter isn't a plot hole, it's just a little obfuscated in the scene - EDI fails to detect an internal security network, but Joker then points out that their sensors might have been knocked offline like the Normandy was when the Collector ship exploded.

The Collectors are not a fighting force, their sole task was to put together a Reaper from the selected race - therefore there's been no reason for them to maintain any sort of actual fleet or military.

[CroGamer002]

Here's new "plothole".

In Overlord DLC I took David with me( like anyone with soul) and my Shep said: "If Illusive Man doesn't like it, he can fire me."



My question is didn't I quit Cerberus? I mean I blow up Collector base before Overlord DLC was even announced.

[Onyx Jaguar]

That plot hole version is the same as the Wynne paradox. No matter what I do and when I talk to her it has been a year since I left the circle.

[LorDC]

That's just gameplay limitation. Not worth mentioning.

[troll]Even Paragon Shepard didn't quit Cerberus[/troll]

[cachx]

Dunno if it has been mentioned yet, but why not upgrade Joker with Heavy Bone Weave?

Probably he already has it, considering how much he moved on ME2

[Ecael]

Mesina2 wrote...

Here's new "plothole".
In Overlord DLC I took David with me( like anyone with soul) and my Shep said: "If Illusive Man doesn't like it, he can fire me."

My question is didn't I quit Cerberus? I mean I blow up Collector base before Overlord DLC was even announced.

"You can't fire me because I quit!"

Works every time. Maybe not as effective in real-life, however.

[tonnactus]

InvaderErl wrote...


The Collectors are not a fighting force, their sole task was to put together a Reaper from the selected race - therefore there's been no reason for them to maintain any sort of actual fleet or military.

Oh really...
Because squadmembers mentioned they would target the earth to fill all the pods.

[SpiderFan1217]

Fight for the plot?



I can't do that. Why? There is no need. The plot is solid. ME2 fights for itself, and it fights well. As for the people who spend hours gripping about the "plot-holes" I say to you: It's a ****ing video game. Catch the football and run with it jack***.

[didymos1120]

tonnactus wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...


The Collectors are not a fighting force, their sole task was to put together a Reaper from the selected race - therefore there's been no reason for them to maintain any sort of actual fleet or military.

Oh really...
Because squadmembers mentioned they would target the earth to fill all the pods.

And given that they couldn't possibly have counted all those pods or even made a remotely accurate estimate in those few seconds, we should care what they think why?

[smudboy]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Fight for the plot?

I can't do that. Why? There is no need. The plot is solid. ME2 fights for itself, and it fights well. As for the people who spend hours gripping about the "plot-holes" I say to you: It's a ****ing video game. Catch the football and run with it jack***.

Media has stories.

Hmm, just a video game?

Let me put this in a way you'd comprehend then: **** off.

[SpiderFan1217]

smudboy wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Fight for the plot?

I can't do that. Why? There is no need. The plot is solid. ME2 fights for itself, and it fights well. As for the people who spend hours gripping about the "plot-holes" I say to you: It's a ****ing video game. Catch the football and run with it jack***.

Media has stories.

Hmm, just a video game?

Let me put this in a way you'd comprehend then: **** off.

Why so angry?

[smudboy]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Fight for the plot?

I can't do that. Why? There is no need. The plot is solid. ME2 fights for itself, and it fights well. As for the people who spend hours gripping about the "plot-holes" I say to you: It's a ****ing video game. Catch the football and run with it jack***.

Media has stories.

Hmm, just a video game?

Let me put this in a way you'd comprehend then: **** off.

Why so angry?

I'm not.  I'm communicating in words and tone you can understand.

It's never "just a game."  Not to BioWare.  Not to us.  Well obviously to you.  Why you bother to spend time on "just a game" here is hilarious, but hey, people.

The plot of ME2 is a piece of flying garbage.  In case you weren't paying attention.  Of course not to you, its solid.

I had to go take a bathroom break to alleviate the giggles.

[SpiderFan1217]

smudboy wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Fight for the plot?

I can't do that. Why? There is no need. The plot is solid. ME2 fights for itself, and it fights well. As for the people who spend hours gripping about the "plot-holes" I say to you: It's a ****ing video game. Catch the football and run with it jack***.

Media has stories.

Hmm, just a video game?

Let me put this in a way you'd comprehend then: **** off.

Why so angry?

I'm not.  I'm communicating in words and tone you can understand.

It's never "just a game."  Not to BioWare.  Not to us.  Well obviously to you.  Why you bother to spend time on "just a game" here is hilarious, but hey, people.

The plot of ME2 is a piece of flying garbage.  In case you weren't paying attention.  Of course not to you, its solid.

I had to go take a bathroom break to alleviate the giggles.

I'm still getting an "angry" vibe from your posts. You should put some  in them, or people may think you are overly hostile. As for speaking to me, stick to plain English. I speak it well. Also, how can it be more the a video game? That's what it is. Don't get me wrong, It's a great video game, but it's still a video game. To assume I don't take ME seriously is a mistake on your part, and, for future reference, I don't need to be informed of your bathroom schedule.

EDIT: Typo.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 19 juin 2010 - 09:44 .

[InvaderErl]

smudboy wrote...



The plot of ME2 is a piece of flying garbage.

 



Laddie... don't you think you should "rephrase" that?

Modifié par InvaderErl, 19 juin 2010 - 09:50 .

[DOYOURLABS]

smudboy wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Fight for the plot?

I can't do that. Why? There is no need. The plot is solid. ME2 fights for itself, and it fights well. As for the people who spend hours gripping about the "plot-holes" I say to you: It's a ****ing video game. Catch the football and run with it jack***.

Media has stories.

Hmm, just a video game?

Let me put this in a way you'd comprehend then: **** off.

Why so angry?

I'm not.  I'm communicating in words and tone you can understand.

It's never "just a game."  Not to BioWare.  Not to us.  Well obviously to you.  Why you bother to spend time on "just a game" here is hilarious, but hey, people.

The plot of ME2 is a piece of flying garbage.  In case you weren't paying attention.  Of course not to you, its solid.

I had to go take a bathroom break to alleviate the giggles.

It has its holes, but "piece of flying garbage" is an exaggeration. I thought it had a pretty solid plot and its holes aren't that noticeable. No game is perfect. 

[EricHVela]

ME2 - So... if Miranda is with you when you blow the base, she basically tells TIM that she quits if you choose to go ahead and destroy it. So... WHAT HAPPENS TO HER SISTER THAT CERBERUS IS PROTECTING??? (The mission debrief on Miranda's loyalty quest says that keeping Oriana safe is a means to guarantee Miranda's loyalty.)

[smudboy]

InvaderErl wrote...

Laddie... don't you think you should "rephrase" that?

In excruciating detail.