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[Ecael]

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

And then destroy them with logic, reason and evidence.  While they retreat to emotion and ad homs.
And if I don't destroy them, they simply can't understand.

Logic, reason and evidence don't typically involve swearing in an attempt to "enhance" your argument. You certainly won't find much of it in an educational setting, even if the arguments are provocative.

I use it when:
1) I've already presented all arguments and evidence.
2) It's all your opponents understand.

This is usually because they use enthusiasm and personal opinion.  I dare not combine reason, logic and evidence with swearing.  Unless I'm just goofing around at that point, which is the equivalent of talking to a wall.

You've only presented one side of the argument - in fact, that's really all you've ever done here.

If you would be so kind as to ask me what you wanted to know.

A critical plot analysis of Mass Effect 1, perhaps?

[smudboy]

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

And then destroy them with logic, reason and evidence.  While they retreat to emotion and ad homs.
And if I don't destroy them, they simply can't understand.

Logic, reason and evidence don't typically involve swearing in an attempt to "enhance" your argument. You certainly won't find much of it in an educational setting, even if the arguments are provocative.

I use it when:
1) I've already presented all arguments and evidence.
2) It's all your opponents understand.

This is usually because they use enthusiasm and personal opinion.  I dare not combine reason, logic and evidence with swearing.  Unless I'm just goofing around at that point, which is the equivalent of talking to a wall.

You've only presented one side of the argument - in fact, that's really all you've ever done here.

If you would be so kind as to ask me what you wanted to know.

A critical plot analysis of Mass Effect 1, perhaps?

Why?  You wrote I only presented one side of the argument. (Whatever exactly that means.)  How is analyzing ME1's plot have anything to do with that?  Or is this simply a request completely unrelated to wtf you're talking about?

[Ecael]

smudboy wrote...

Why?  You wrote I only presented one side of the argument. (Whatever exactly that means.)  How is analyzing ME1's plot have anything to do with that?  Or is this simply a request completely unrelated to wtf you're talking about?

You've done nothing but whine about Mass Effect 2, so do the same for Mass Effect 1.

By the time you are finished, you'd at least see that it isn't worth it to whine in the first place.

[smudboy]

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Why?  You wrote I only presented one side of the argument. (Whatever exactly that means.)  How is analyzing ME1's plot have anything to do with that?  Or is this simply a request completely unrelated to wtf you're talking about?

You've done nothing but whine about Mass Effect 2, so do the same for Mass Effect 1.

By the time you are finished, you'd at least see that it isn't worth it to whine in the first place.

Critical analysis is not whining.

Oh, I can't wait to learn my lesson after I do a critical analysis of ME1.  I'll discover my whining critical analysis is totally useless.

Listen, I have opinions and argumens about things that concern me.  You don't like it, that's your opinion.  But having to make a critical analysis of some other title just because you think it'll teach me something?

You're no teacher.  You're just a rose-tinted uber-fan who has nothing better to do then ramble on about being a wanna-be game designer in Photoshop, constantly reminding me all my efforts won't change anything.  Good for you/me.

Now do you have a point?  I'm still waiting for you to write something reasonably intelligent in regards to why I should bother analyzing ME1, or how that relates to "another side of the argument."  Cause right now you're just rambling.

[Ecael]

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Why?  You wrote I only presented one side of the argument. (Whatever exactly that means.)  How is analyzing ME1's plot have anything to do with that?  Or is this simply a request completely unrelated to wtf you're talking about?

You've done nothing but whine about Mass Effect 2, so do the same for Mass Effect 1.

By the time you are finished, you'd at least see that it isn't worth it to whine in the first place.

Critical analysis is not whining.

Oh, I can't wait to learn my lesson after I do a critical analysis of ME1.  I'll discover my whining critical analysis is totally useless.

Listen, I have opinions and argumens about things that concern me.  You don't like it, that's your opinion.  But having to make a critical analysis of some other title just because you think it'll teach me something?

You're no teacher.  You're just a rose-tinted uber-fan who has nothing better to do then ramble on about being a wanna-be game designer in Photoshop, constantly reminding me all my efforts won't change anything.  Good for you/me.

Now do you have a point?  I'm still waiting for you to write something reasonably intelligent in regards to why I should bother analyzing ME1, or how that relates to "another side of the argument."  Cause right now you're just rambling.

Your posts are the ones getting more verbose, actually. Also, you're not using the word "rose-tinted" correctly either in meaning or in context.

It's funny how you think being an armchair critic is worthwhile and "reasonably intelligent". It doesn't require much intelligence to complain all the time.

[smudboy]

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Why?  You wrote I only presented one side of the argument. (Whatever exactly that means.)  How is analyzing ME1's plot have anything to do with that?  Or is this simply a request completely unrelated to wtf you're talking about?

You've done nothing but whine about Mass Effect 2, so do the same for Mass Effect 1.

By the time you are finished, you'd at least see that it isn't worth it to whine in the first place.

Critical analysis is not whining.

Oh, I can't wait to learn my lesson after I do a critical analysis of ME1.  I'll discover my whining critical analysis is totally useless.

Listen, I have opinions and argumens about things that concern me.  You don't like it, that's your opinion.  But having to make a critical analysis of some other title just because you think it'll teach me something?

You're no teacher.  You're just a rose-tinted uber-fan who has nothing better to do then ramble on about being a wanna-be game designer in Photoshop, constantly reminding me all my efforts won't change anything.  Good for you/me.

Now do you have a point?  I'm still waiting for you to write something reasonably intelligent in regards to why I should bother analyzing ME1, or how that relates to "another side of the argument."  Cause right now you're just rambling.

Your posts are the ones getting more verbose, actually. Also, you're not using the word "rose-tinted" correctly either in meaning or in context.

It's funny how you think being an armchair critic is worthwhile and "reasonably intelligent". It doesn't require much intelligence to complain all the time.

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

[NICKjnp]

Personally Smudboy... I think you need a time out. All you seem to be doing is whining and complaining.

[CroGamer002]

Hey smudboy!

Just because you blocked me from Youtube that doesn't mean that I won't make videos to debunk your analysis!

And by blocking me you just proven to yourself that you are a douche.

[smudboy]

NICKjnp wrote...

Personally Smudboy... I think you need a time out. All you seem to be doing is whining and complaining.

I'm being pretty rational here.  Takes a while to get a point from these people.

The people whom I'm addressing either don't know how to argue, are blinded by enthusiasm, or can't even tell me what they want to know (e.g. "only one side of the argument.")  It's as if they think I have some pre-conceived personal bias against ME2.

[CroGamer002]

smudboy wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Personally Smudboy... I think you need a time out. All you seem to be doing is whining and complaining.

I'm being pretty rational here.  Takes a while to get a point from these people.

The people whom I'm addressing either don't know how to argue, are blinded by enthusiasm, or can't even tell me what they want to know (e.g. "only one side of the argument.")  It's as if they think I have some pre-conceived personal bias against ME2.

And by being rational you block me on Youtube when I told your analysis is retarded and I will debunk it.
Already done video 1. Just need to upload it.

[smudboy]

Mesina2 wrote...

Hey smudboy!
Just because you blocked me from Youtube that doesn't mean that I won't make videos to debunk your analysis!
And by blocking me you just proven to yourself that you are a douche.

Case in point.

Got an argument?  Make it.  No one's stopping you from doing whatever you want.  (Well, aside from posting crap on my video comments.)

I'm so sorry you think I'm a douche.  Heartbreaking really.  I kind of like people who have actual points and arguments to make.  That opening line by me was more of a joke, and also a subjective comment due to my lack of video game knowledge, and strong disappointment considering it has Mass Effect in the title. That doesn't negate any other point made in the videos, however.

I strongly encourage you to make any media you like.  Even an Ecael video game design #203.  God those are awesome.

[smudboy]

Mesina2 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Personally Smudboy... I think you need a time out. All you seem to be doing is whining and complaining.

I'm being pretty rational here.  Takes a while to get a point from these people.

The people whom I'm addressing either don't know how to argue, are blinded by enthusiasm, or can't even tell me what they want to know (e.g. "only one side of the argument.")  It's as if they think I have some pre-conceived personal bias against ME2.

And by being rational you block me on Youtube when I told your analysis is retarded and I will debunk it.
Already done video 1. Just need to upload it.

Hmm?  I blocked a user calling me retarded?  Totally irrational on my part...

Can't wait for that video of yours.

[Clover Rider]

You know smudboy you make me think of the monsters of the week on Super Sentai don't know why you just do.

[Ecael]

smudboy wrote...

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

Congratulations, you're biased.

:happy:

[CroGamer002]

smudboy wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Personally Smudboy... I think you need a time out. All you seem to be doing is whining and complaining.

I'm being pretty rational here.  Takes a while to get a point from these people.

The people whom I'm addressing either don't know how to argue, are blinded by enthusiasm, or can't even tell me what they want to know (e.g. "only one side of the argument.")  It's as if they think I have some pre-conceived personal bias against ME2.

And by being rational you block me on Youtube when I told your analysis is retarded and I will debunk it.
Already done video 1. Just need to upload it.

Hmm?  I blocked a user calling me retarded?  Totally irrational on my part...

Can't wait for that video of yours.

I said YOUR ANALYSIS IS RETARDED not you, but you just proved yourself you are.

[MaaZeus]

smudboy wrote...

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

I think Ecaels point was that do you think ME1 was perfect, compared to ME2? ME1 is definetly superior in writing and I think majority of us know that ME2 has its problems. You do have sharp eye and pick up faults quickly I give you that, but you are not the first one to bring them up on this forum. And are the faults of ME2 so bad compared to ME1 that it warrants such cold hate?

Modifié par MaaZeus, 22 juin 2010 - 06:04 .

[smudboy]

Mesina2 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Personally Smudboy... I think you need a time out. All you seem to be doing is whining and complaining.

I'm being pretty rational here.  Takes a while to get a point from these people.

The people whom I'm addressing either don't know how to argue, are blinded by enthusiasm, or can't even tell me what they want to know (e.g. "only one side of the argument.")  It's as if they think I have some pre-conceived personal bias against ME2.

And by being rational you block me on Youtube when I told your analysis is retarded and I will debunk it.
Already done video 1. Just need to upload it.

Hmm?  I blocked a user calling me retarded?  Totally irrational on my part...

Can't wait for that video of yours.

I said YOUR ANALYSIS IS RETARDED not you, but you just proved yourself you are.

My mistake.

And no, that does not prove I'm retarded.  (aside: But here's a perfectly explanable and reasonable understanding as to why I swear at those on here: because it's all they understand.)

[smudboy]

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

Congratulations, you're biased.

:happy:

And what is my bias?

[CroGamer002]

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

Congratulations, you're biased.

:happy:

And what is my bias?

a typo for blased

[smudboy]

MaaZeus wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

I think Ecaels point was that do you think ME1 was perfect, compared to ME2? ME1 is definetly superior in writing and I think majority of us know that ME2 has its problems. You do have sharp eye and pick up faults quickly I give you that, but you are not the first one to bring them up on this forum. And are the faults of ME2 so bad compared to ME1 that it warrants such cold hate?

Ecael's point was a question?  He/she/it certainly has a roundabout/other person-way of asking it, considering they made a comment regarding the "other side of the arugment", whatever that still means.

Who says I possess cold hate toward ME2?  My first forum post was basically Tali-mancing.

I do however possess Unbridled Passion © toward ME2's plot.  Like, Hulk on vanilla milkshake head-freeze, that destroys my bowels sort of passion.  Every day.

[Ecael]

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

Congratulations, you're biased.

:happy:

And what is my bias?

there's no reason in reviewing ME1

You compare Mass Effect 2 to some unreachable standard of yours, yet you fail to adequately compare it to other games. I'm not even sure that you enjoy gaming.

[smudboy]

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Oh boo hoo.

Funny.  I have a lot to express when I'm influenced a lot.  In this case, by stupid.

Still waiting on a point.  You gonna keep going?  Cause there's no reason in reviewing ME1.  Was there something in particular you wanted, you know, to your original idea?  That I'm not showing the "other side" of some "other" argument?  No?  Cause you're still rambling regardless of quantity, whereas I'm staying on topic, asking you yet again, still, for what you want.

Congratulations, you're biased.

:happy:

And what is my bias?

there's no reason in reviewing ME1

You compare Mass Effect 2 to some unreachable standard of yours, yet you fail to adequately compare it to other games. I'm not even sure that you enjoy gaming.

No I didn't.  I simply pointed out its flaws.  In the plot.  'cause it's a Plot Analysis.  Obviously you don't agree with it: please be specific.

I am not particulariy comparing the game.  I have analyzed the plot.  You do not need to compare one plot to another plot.  You could, however, look at things like thematics, or literary techniques, or settings, and understand how and why those are used (by looking at other stories, and I guess you could shout examples and call that a comparison, like other space operas.)  But I don't really even do that.  (I have a few comments from ST and B5 of how to deal with certain issues, but that's it.)

[Ecael]

smudboy wrote...

No I didn't.  I simply pointed out its flaws.  In the plot.  'cause it's a Plot Analysis.  Obviously you don't agree with it: please be specific.

I am not particulariy comparing the game.  I have analyzed the plot.  You do not need to compare one plot to another plot.  You could, however, look at things like thematics, or literary techniques, or settings, and understand how and why those are used (by looking at other stories, and I guess you could shout examples and call that a comparison, like other space operas.)  But I don't really even do that.  (I have a few comments from ST and B5 of how to deal with certain issues, but that's it.)

You do need to compare one plot to another plot if there are continuous storylines carrying over from the first game.

Mass Effect 2 isn't a standalone saga in itself.

[MaaZeus]

smudboy wrote...

Ecael's point was a question?  He/she/it certainly has a roundabout/other person-way of asking it, considering they made a comment regarding the "other side of the arugment", whatever that still means.

Who says I possess cold hate toward ME2?  My first forum post was basically Tali-mancing.

I do however possess Unbridled Passion © toward ME2's plot.  Like, Hulk on vanilla milkshake head-freeze, that destroys my bowels sort of passion.  Every day.

Then I have understood your motives wrong. Sorry about that. But then again since there is a borderline flamewar going on, black and white impressions are easy to get.


But I still agree with Ecael. I think some comparisons would be good. Would give a great insight on why you do have that Unbridled Passion © with ME2's plot when you (or atleast seem to) love ME1. Im curious.

[smudboy]

Ecael wrote...

smudboy wrote...

No I didn't.  I simply pointed out its flaws.  In the plot.  'cause it's a Plot Analysis.  Obviously you don't agree with it: please be specific.

I am not particulariy comparing the game.  I have analyzed the plot.  You do not need to compare one plot to another plot.  You could, however, look at things like thematics, or literary techniques, or settings, and understand how and why those are used (by looking at other stories, and I guess you could shout examples and call that a comparison, like other space operas.)  But I don't really even do that.  (I have a few comments from ST and B5 of how to deal with certain issues, but that's it.)

You do need to compare one plot to another plot if there are continuous storylines carrying over from the first game.

Mass Effect 2 isn't a standalone saga in itself.

I comment on that in the second video
"...what the hell happened to the Reaper plot from the first game?" 
And how ME2 did nothing with that.  I don't need to analyze the entire thing to show all the multiple threads that have references or exposition in ME2, because they have nothing to do with the plot of ME2.  That'd be like talking about how Shiala/Gianna/Rachni asari chick/etc. have a cameo/emails.  So?  That's not a ME2 plot analysis.  That's listing things that have nothing to do with what I'm analyzing.