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[thetruefreemo]

didymos1120 wrote...

thetruefreemo wrote...

ME1: Why don't other alliance armors say N1 or N2? They are existing ranks.

They aren't ranks. They're vocational codes.  'N' means special forces. The number indicates proficiency rating, with 7 being the best. And why not? Well,  we don't know for certain that they don't. We only know we haven't seen them.  Still, as a guess, I'd say it's an informal rule that ended up getting formalized: only those with 7 ratings are authorized to display the insignia on their armor. That sort of thing is fairly common in militaries past and present. 

ME2: On Thane's trust mission, why does the Anti-Human Politician have a Blood Pack body guard when the codex says that blood pack is illegal in council space?

How did you determine that they're Blood Pack? Because according to the codex,the Blood Pack doesn't take bodyguard/security jobs. In any case, the codex also says that they just bribe people at spaceports, so you can find them just about anywhere, Citadel law or no. 

Thanks for clearing some of that up. All I can tell on the Blood pack thing is that it was a cheap way for bioware to put a bodyguard in there that you could more easily follow to complete the mission. 

[thetruefreemo]

ME1: Opening scene, it looks like the normandy's thrusters change position before using the relay. Why does it never do anything similar after that?



ME2: On horizon, Ashly/Kaiden gets frozen in the opening cutscene. How did they manage to get unfrozen, not get abducted by the collectors, then magically appear at the end of the mission to make farewells to Shepard?

[Pacifien]

thetruefreemo wrote...
ME2: On horizon, Ashly/Kaiden gets frozen in the opening cutscene. How did they manage to get unfrozen, not get abducted by the collectors, then magically appear at the end of the mission to make farewells to Shepard?

Some have mentioned Kaidan's biotics, but that doesn't explain Ashley's escape. The Collectors only took about a third to half the colonists, but I'm sure all the colonists had been frozen. Ashley/Kaidan simply were one of the lucky ones not to be taken.

As for how they were unfrozen, I assume whatever nanites the seeker swarms injected into the colonists lost their effect once the Collectors cut short their abduction playtime. Which likely happened the moment EDI got the defense tower online and started firing on the ship. So if Ashley/Kaidan unfroze at that point, noticed the defense tower they could never calibrate was suddenly working, then I'm sure their first thought was to run to the defense tower.

[didymos1120]

thetruefreemo wrote...

ME1: Opening scene, it looks like the normandy's thrusters change position before using the relay. Why does it never do anything similar after that?

Watch the SR-1 die: you'll see similar movement in that cutscene.  It happens again here and there, but it's infrequent.  Why does this matter though?

ME2: On horizon, Ashly/Kaiden gets frozen in the opening cutscene. How did they manage to get unfrozen, not get abducted by the collectors, then magically appear at the end of the mission to make farewells to Shepard?

1. Not everyone was taken. You interrupted the process.
2. You see frozen people all over who haven't been crated yet.
3. Right next to them, you'll see filled containers. I.e., it's not a matter of "These ones in Quadrant XJ-50 go first, then those guys in Quadrant XJ-52, then..."
4.The seeker swarm is what's paralyzing people. 
5. It's clearly some kind of stasis field.  I.e., it must be actively maintained
6.  When the Collectors leave, so do the seekers

So, they weren't taken simply because the Collectors hadn't put them or a bunch of others in a box yet, and they unfroze because the swarm was gone.  Besides, the Collectors didn't actually care about Kaiden/Ash.  They just figured they might catch Sheps attention and hoped he would show. If not, they'd get another colony. 

And it also doesn't matter that Shep "cared more" about them or whatever. No matter what, Shep would still take the opportunity to board the ship or anything similar should it arise.  I mean, the whole point was saving human colonists and finding intel on the Collectors.  They knew that he was hunting for them. No need to resort to what would have been, esssentially, "Bring us ONE BILLION DOLLARS or the marine gets it! Mwahahahah!"  

And of course, if Shep did show up on Horizon, great!  Maybe we can capture him.  Maybe even alive, but whatever.

[didymos1120]

thetruefreemo wrote...

All I can tell on the Blood pack thing is that it was a cheap way for bioware to put a bodyguard in there that you could more easily follow to complete the mission. 

I don't think it's cheap.  Krogan are well-established as pretty much the most popular choice for bodyguards,  for obvious reasons. And it often pays quite well.  Just ask Wrex.  Besides, it's not like the dude would have been really hard to follow without the Krogan tagging along.  It also wouldn't have made sense, because he was a Turian politician talking a lot of sh!t  about humans and stirring up resentment to get votes.  That's liable to make you a target...which is exactly what happened. 'Course, those Krogan turned out to suck at bodyguarding....

[Ecael]

didymos1120 wrote...

thetruefreemo wrote...

All I can tell on the Blood pack thing is that it was a cheap way for bioware to put a bodyguard in there that you could more easily follow to complete the mission. 

I don't think it's cheap.  Krogan are well-established as pretty much the most popular choice for bodyguards,  for obvious reasons. And it often pays quite well.  Just ask Wrex.  Besides, it's not like the dude would have been really hard to follow without the Krogan tagging along.  It also wouldn't have made sense, because he was a Turian politician talking a lot of sh!t  about humans and stirring up resentment to get votes.  That's liable to make you a target...which is exactly what happened. 'Course, those Krogan turned out to suck at bodyguarding....

The Blood Pack logo on the Krogan's suit was probably just a disconnect between the writers and the artists since they reused some of the textures and models. It's like how people don't know you're with Cerberus even though their main logo is plastered everywhere on the Normandy - and even in the Cerberus operations buildings that went rogue.

[Fiery Phoenix]

This is most definitely not a plothole, but those Avengers during certain cutscenes? Ugh....

[NephilimNexus]

ME1: The story begins with Saren using the Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime.  When used on Shepard it
imparts to him/her the Prothean distress signal and then explodes because he/she doesn't have the Cipher (Saren does, and we can presume that is why it didn't explode when he used it). 

Much later  we find another intact Prothean Beacon on Vermire which does not explode because now Shepard has the Cipher.  This second Prothean Beacon gives Shepard the even more information as the first one,
but it is more clear now because he/she has the Cipher.  Specifically, it gives Shepard information about the location of Illos.

So if the Vermire Beacon already contained the information about Illos then what the heck did Saren need with the Eden Prime beacon in the first place?  He had the Cipher, he had the beacon with the location of Illos on it, and he had a working krogan breeding facility & a geth armada all before the attack on Eden Prime.

Saren should have just skipped Eden Prime and beelined right for the Conduit right then & there.

Now one could say that he had only recently discovered the Virmire beacon right before Shepard showed up to
attack his base there.  However, even then he had already accessed the Eden Prime beacon.  Vigil implied that all the Prothean Becons were sending identical messages (any reason why they wouldn't be?) so there is no reason to believe that the Eden Prime beacon contained any more information than the Vermire becaon did, and again Saren already had the Cipher by the time he arrived on Eden Prime (as evidenced by his using the beacon there with no ill effects)

The only two ways I can see to fill this plot hole would be if the Vermire beacon was somehow defective and was lacking the information about Illos and only the beacon on Eden Prime had it  -OR- The Eden Prime beacon was lacking the location of Illos, the Vermire beacon did have it and he had only found the Vermire beacon just hours before Shepard arrived to blow up his base.  Neither of these options leaves me satisfied.

Modifié par NephilimNexus, 24 juin 2010 - 07:45 .

[didymos1120]

Ecael wrote...

The Blood Pack logo on the Krogan's suit was probably just a disconnect between the writers and the artists since they reused some of the textures and models.

OK, that's the info I was looking for: I never even noticed the logo.  Mainly because watching them wasn't that interesting.  I paid more attention to the walking Keeper and what I could see of the shops. Yeah, art error then.  

It's like how people don't know you're with Cerberus even though their main logo is plastered everywhere on the Normandy - and even in the Cerberus operations buildings that went rogue.

Well, not everyone who fails to comment on the logo can be expected to even know what it means. Also, it's pretty clear at this point that Cerberus is sort of past hiding  its existence. That can of thresher maws was opened a while ago.  They seem to be more of an open secret/pretend-they-don't-exist thing than anything else now.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 juin 2010 - 08:36 .

[didymos1120]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

This is most definitely not a plothole, but those Avengers during certain cutscenes? Ugh....

That's simply being lazy with cutscenes.  Easier to just use the same animations and guns no matter who's in the squad.  It happened all the time in ME1 too.  Sometimes though, Shep would randomly whip out a different weapon.  There's one where during the dialogue, you'll get the shotgun out. You can end up in if combat, and then you have another conversation after winning, only now you're doing the Dirty Harry routine with a pistol. After it's over, Shep can then run around with the pistol drawn, but not be in the combat stance.    At least in ME2, the cutscenes don't actually make characters switch weapons.  HIghly annoying when Liara tries to use an assault rifle and decides not to acknowledge orders to change back to the pistol . 

[Fiery Phoenix]

didymos1120 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

This is most definitely not a plothole, but those Avengers during certain cutscenes? Ugh....

That's simply being lazy with cutscenes.  Easier to just use the same animations and guns no matter who's in the squad.  It happened all the time in ME1 too.  Sometimes though, Shep would randomly whip out a different weapon.  There's one where during the dialogue, you'll get the shotgun out. You can end up in if combat, and then you have another conversation after winning, only now you're doing the Dirty Harry routine with a pistol. After it's over, Shep can then run around with the pistol drawn, but not be in the combat stance.    At least in ME2, the cutscenes don't actually make characters switch weapons.  HIghly annoying when Liara tries to use an assault rifle and decides not to acknowledge orders to change back to the pistol . 

But in ME1, no matter what weapons were drawn in a cutscene, you actually HAD those weapons attached to your back. In ME2, the Avengers AREN'T there in the first place, making it much less believable.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 24 juin 2010 - 08:47 .

[didymos1120]

NephilimNexus wrote...
The only two ways I can see to fill this plot hole would be if the Vermire beacon was somehow defective and was lacking the information about Illos and only the beacon on Eden Prime had it  -OR- The Eden Prime beacon was lacking the location of Illos, the Vermire beacon did have it and he had only found the Vermire beacon just hours before Shepard arrived to blow up his base.  Neither of these options leaves me satisfied.

Umm they were really old.  Each could have had some information partially or fully corrupted,  and the rest perfectly preserved, but different for each one. Since they basically play back thoughts, sensations and memories, and not a set of Google Maps directions, I can see how that could really mess up all the cues that would lead a Prothean to go "Of course!  Ilos!  I want to go to there..." 

[NocturnalStillness]

NephilimNexus wrote...

ME1: The story begins with Saren using the Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime.  When used on Shepard it
imparts to him/her the Prothean distress signal and then explodes because he/she doesn't have the Cipher (Saren does, and we can presume that is why it didn't explode when he used it). 

Much later  we find another intact Prothean Beacon on Vermire which does not explode because now Shepard has the Cipher.  This second Prothean Beacon gives Shepard the even more information as the first one,
but it is more clear now because he/she has the Cipher.  Specifically, it gives Shepard information about the location of Illos.

So if the Vermire Beacon already contained the information about Illos then what the heck did Saren need with the Eden Prime beacon in the first place?  He had the Cipher, he had the beacon with the location of Illos on it, and he had a working krogan breeding facility & a geth armada all before the attack on Eden Prime.

Saren should have just skipped Eden Prime and beelined right for the Conduit right then & there.

Now one could say that he had only recently discovered the Virmire beacon right before Shepard showed up to
attack his base there.  However, even then he had already accessed the Eden Prime beacon.  Vigil implied that all the Prothean Becons were sending identical messages (any reason why they wouldn't be?) so there is no reason to believe that the Eden Prime beacon contained any more information than the Vermire becaon did, and again Saren already had the Cipher by the time he arrived on Eden Prime (as evidenced by his using the beacon there with no ill effects)

The only two ways I can see to fill this plot hole would be if the Vermire beacon was somehow defective and was lacking the information about Illos and only the beacon on Eden Prime had it  -OR- The Eden Prime beacon was lacking the location of Illos, the Vermire beacon did have it and he had only found the Vermire beacon just hours before Shepard arrived to blow up his base.  Neither of these options leaves me satisfied.

I've always assumed that the Eden prime beacon blows up due to a malfunction. Saren didn't have the cipher at Eden Prime he gets it after (remember the attack on Feros occurs after Eden Prime).

As the reason for it exploding is never explained ingame there are several possible reasons for it to happen.

a malfunction with the beacon itself, could happen because of three different reasons a) due to it being buried for such a long time, accidental damage during the excavation or c) it overloads due to the fact that its Kaiden/Ashley who activate it and is knocked out of the way for a brief few seconds there is two minds available to the beacon which could be enough to cause it to destroy.

[Pacifien]

NephilimNexus wrote...
So if the Vermire Beacon already contained the information about Illos then what the heck did Saren need with the Eden Prime beacon in the first place?  He had the Cipher, he had the beacon with the location of Illos on it, and he had a working krogan breeding facility & a geth armada all before the attack on Eden Prime.

Saren should have just skipped Eden Prime and beelined right for the Conduit right then & there.

The beacons contained the same message, but they were damaged to the point where each message was incomplete. You needed both visions to get the markers indicating Ilos as the location of the Conduit.

However, even though Shepard has the information in his head about where to go, he still needs Liara to interpret it for him. The images mean nothing to him because he's not an expert on the protheans. He knew Saren needed the location of the Mu Relay, but Matriarch Benezia never told him why.

As for how Saren knew about Ilos, he's been working for Sovereign for twenty years. He either became an expert on the Protheans himself to figure it out or he imployed other experts about the Protheans to figure it out for him. They'd have needed to view his visions like Liara did for Shepard, though.

As for why the Cipher didn't have the location of Ilos, Vigil said the Conduit project was done in secret. The Cipher might have given Saren and Shepard the knowledge to interpret the visions, but it wouldn't have contained any information about Ilos.

ETA: Oh right, and as for why the beacon exploded... This was Saren's second beacon. He knew how to control it. It might have been more damaged than the one on Virmire, so if you didn't know what you were doing, and Shepard certainly didn't, one wrong step would cause it to shatter. Though the unstable scientist you find at Eden Prime seems to have some knowledge contained in the beacon.

Modifié par Pacifien, 24 juin 2010 - 02:56 .

[MobiusTyr]

Why are there dog tags in intact crates on
Alchera? Did crew members think that hiding in crates would help them
survive?

RE: It's a game-play thing. Had nothing to do with the story, it was the BioWare way of making you look around the map.

ME2 | 12. Why didn't Warden Kuril in
Purgatory wait until Shepard and squad stepped INSIDE the cell before
closing it on them?

RE: I highly doubt Shepard would of stepped in that room. When the door opened he seemed puzzled.

ME2 | 14. If Garrus knew how to take down a
gunship in one shot, why didn't he do that the second time instead of
shooting at all the offloaded mercs?

RE: The MERCs were shooting at him? You kill the supressor before you kill the transport (I'm not sure RPG players understand military aspects)

ME2 | 16. If Haestrom's sun destroys all
shields and Quarian technology - including Legion (but not Grunt's
armor) - why are the other geth unaffected?

RE: Because the dumb AI would of beat the mission for you by just chilling in the sun light while you waited for half of them to die. (game play mechanic)


ME1 | 19. Why didn't Saren
destroy the second beacon on Virmire after using it to prevent Shepard
from doing the same?


RE: He was planting nukes and he had no idea shepard was there. He thought he was in the clear.

ME2 | 22. If the Disabled Collector Vessel
was a trap by the Collectors, why would they leave behind a large cache
of upgraded weapons for Shepard to pick from?

RE: Yet again, game play thing such as the dog tags. Trying to make a hallway interesting.


ME1 | 25. If you go to Virmire
with Wrex but haven't recruited Garrus or Liara yet, Wrex will
automatically agree with you to destroy the genophage regardless of what
you say to him. Why?

RE: You can't be serious on this one... In Mass Effect you can't run around with 1 teammate it's not the way the game is coded. Kaiden or Ashley had to go with Kirahea. You can do better than that man...

ME1 | 33. If hanar are allowed
to roam on the Presidium, where is their Embassy and where is the Hanar
Ambassador?

RE: Who cares? That'd be extra programing/memory which the dumb consoles haven't fully optimized at the time.

ME2 | 38. Why did the Collector Base only
have one ship to defend itself when the Base itself is the size of a
planet?

RE: It's because they only had one ship? They weren't ever expecting an army to pour through the Omega 4 relay (because that'd be stupid if they didn't have the IFF)

ME1 | 39. If Turian husks
(Saren) have more reach and flexibility than human husks, why didn't
Sovereign just convert all the Turians he found?

RE: he hates humans

ME2 | 44. Why
were we forced into joining Cerberus? I wanted to side with the Shadow
Broker.

ME1 | 45. Why were we forced into
joining the Council Spectres? I wanted to side with Saren.

RE: It's Shepards story, not yours.




The rest are really good points, these here are easily explained and just caused due to lack of deep thinking of the subject on your part. In the end ITS A GAME.

[Pacifien]

MobiusTyr wrote...
*snip*
The rest are really good points, these here are easily explained and just caused due to lack of deep thinking of the subject on your part. In the end ITS A GAME.

I think you've missed the point of the thread.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yup, you're definitely missing the point here, Mobius.

[Izhalezan]

Ecael wrote...


[*]

MEbattle 1 | 5. If recording was that simple, why didn't they use it during their conversations with Saren, Sovereign and Vigil? After all, a soldier from Ashley's team was able to send helmet recordings of Sovereign in the middle of (why didn't they use that too?)

[*]This was a big one for me, today pretty much anyone with a cell phone can record some amazing event that happens.... or a squirrel climbing a tree.... yet in the future, cameras seem non-existant outside the news reporter.

[Izhalezan]

MobiusTyr wrote...



RE: You can't be serious on this one... In Mass Effect you can't run around with 1 teammate it's not the way the game is coded. Kaiden or Ashley had to go with Kirahea. You can do better than that man...

Wrex and Tali?

[LorDC]

Izhalezan wrote...

MEbattle 1 | 5. If recording was that simple, why didn't they use it during their conversations with Saren, Sovereign and Vigil? After all, a soldier from Ashley's team was able to send helmet recordings of Sovereign in the middle of (why didn't they use that too?)

This was a big one for me, today pretty much anyone with a cell phone can record some amazing event that happens.... or a squirrel climbing a tree.... yet in the future, cameras seem non-existant outside the news reporter.

It was written somewhere in the thread that given Council attitude they would have said that Sovereign is VI and all stuff Saren said is just fairy tale to keep Geth on his side and Shepard distracted.

Modifié par LorDC, 24 juin 2010 - 06:22 .

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Ok, I have a big one: since Asari live up to 1000 years, and the Reapers come every 50,000 years, that means the Asari had around 50 generations since the last time, so how in the world did they manage to do so much, even going as far as being the first ones to find the Citadel this cycle. That just seems... impossible.

[eers89]

 ME1: Saren is shown to sit in the Sovereign with Matriach Benezia. Why would a sentient machine need to have hollow interiors and a captain's chair? (Also shown in ME2 in the Decreleit Reaper)

The Reapers were originally an AI with an organic staff similar to EDI and the Normandy. This is why they have such intense unfounded hatred towards organics and yet ironically they still need organic help like that of the Keepers of the Citadel and the Collectors.

Or Sovereign just has the ability to instantaneously change its interior.

ME2: Why does the Human-Reaper seem soo different from other Reapers? Sovereign... Decreleit Reaper... end of Mass Effect 2

The Reapers have never encountered a civilisation that has disrupted their cycle of harvesting organic beings until the Protheans. They started by studying the Protheans trying to turn them into a Reaper to activate the Citadel but failed and instead turned them into Collectors that they use as a military force. The Reapers have been seen to use organic beings in the past like the Citadel Keepers. The Collectors had to collect genetically strange organic beings to check for genetic diversity to form a Reaper and activate the Citadel but have not been able to. This was Plan A.

When Saren discovered Sovereign (in the book). Sovereign and the Rest of the Reapers decide change plan to make a push for the Citadel with the Geth. This was Plan B

When Plan B failed they took notice of the human race and coincidentally they are genetically diverse enough to form a Reaper. They went with the idea and formed a Reaper more advanced and more powerful to activate the Citadel than Sovereign. Also maybe they did have million of humans but had not liquified all of them yet. They liquified the colonists and the Normady crew first out of spite! The Normandy pissed them off one too many times... The colonists blasted at them with defence towers.

A lot of this made my brain hurt... but somehow this makes sense...

[eers89]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Ok, I have a big one: since Asari live up to 1000 years, and the Reapers come every 50,000 years, that means the Asari had around 50 generations since the last time, so how in the world did they manage to do so much, even going as far as being the first ones to find the Citadel this cycle. That just seems... impossible.

The current generation of asari live for 1000 years. That does not meant that previous generations lived that long.

In our Earth (real life). A generation is defined as 30 years that's because that was the average life expectancy of people in the some age (40 was like old! we were like Salarians), i think it was the Victorian age don't quote me though but I am sure of this fact. In today's society people can live till a hundred that's 3 times our previous life expectancy so the Asari could be the same. Also if you are a human genius you live maybe at most for 100 years. If you are an asari genius you live for 1000 years.. hence more productivity. That's what I think anyway.

[Siansonea]

Also if you are a human genius you live maybe at most for 100 years. If you are an asari genius you live for 1000 years.. hence more productivity. That's what I think anyway.

How does being smart equate to longevity? Physical health is the most salient characteristic of long-lived individuals, not intellect. Plenty of stupid people live to a ripe old age, and plenty of geniuses die of age-related conditions.

[Ecael]

Siansonea II wrote...

Also if you are a human genius you live maybe at most for 100 years. If you are an asari genius you live for 1000 years.. hence more productivity. That's what I think anyway.

How does being smart equate to longevity? Physical health is the most salient characteristic of long-lived individuals, not intellect. Plenty of stupid people live to a ripe old age, and plenty of geniuses die of age-related conditions.

I think he meant that being smart and having longevity leads to a more productive life.

If the greatest scientists and inventors lived to be thousands of years old, we might have solved much of the world's problems already!

eers89 wrote...

In our Earth (real life). A generation is defined as 30 years that's because that was the average life expectancy of people in the some age (40 was like old! we were like Salarians), i think it was the Victorian age don't quote me though but I am sure of this fact.

The life expectancy in the Victorian Age was skewed because many children didn't make it to adolescence from the lack of modern medicine. Those that did survive often lived to be 70+ years old. Technically speaking, that made them more similar to krogan!

Charles Darwin lived to be 73, and his wife lived until 88 years of age.