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[didymos1120]

Catt128 wrote...


ME2 | 4. How DID Shepard's body remain intact during the descent into Alchera or his orbit around it?

It was not intact. In fact someone mentions in the comics that it was hard to tell if it was a man or a woman... :S

I think what was meant by "intact" is "not in approximately eleventy billion pieces scattered to hell and gone."  I.e., in one single, if somewhat mangled, piece.

[Mir5]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lastly, they did know for sure by then that the Collectors work for the Reapers.  You know, the fleet of sentient starships residing in dark space? One of whom owned the hell out of the Citadel forces without even really trying?  For all they knew, the Reapers would be here by the time Earth Invasion Day came along, and they would be the ones handling the pew pew pew stuff.

So it was on the disabled ship mission?

Anyways, I think that sentence could've been done better. "Shepard, these guys aren't even halfway done", or something in that general direction. "Shepard, they're definitely moving into bigger targets."
The problem is that earth's imho pretty irrelevant element at that point. What was again the ratio between humans on earth and off-earth?

[Mir5]

Why is the Kasumi's mission planet said to be one of the first human colonies, while it's basically next to the Citadel? The Asari or Salarians just haven't bothered to colonize it in the few thousand years before humans got around?

[Zulu_DFA]

Mir5 wrote...

Why is the Kasumi's mission planet said to be one of the first human colonies, while it's basically next to the Citadel? The Asari or Salarians just haven't bothered to colonize it in the few thousand years before humans got around?

Space cartography is not the strongest when it comes to ME2.

[Fishy]

Pacifien wrote...

cachx wrote...
Question: When trying to "solve" a plot-hole, can we use gameplay/design reasons or we only look at it from the story perspective?

ME1: Why didn't the Normandy just blasted Balak's ship out of the sky when he escaped?
ME2: Why didn't the Normandy just blasted Vido's ship out of the sky
when he escaped?

Weapons weren't calibrated.

That exactly my though . Hell you can look up at every day of your life and ask yourself
-Why i did that and not that?Why  turn right and not left?

Plus most of these *plothole* are gameplay related stuff.Kinda like ammo everywhere .. It's more for gameplay  purpose than story .Kinda like doing side mission or probing uranus

[Mir5]

Suprez30 wrote...

That exactly my though . Hell you can look up at every day of your life and ask yourself
-Why i did that and not that?Why  turn right and not left?

Plus most of these *plothole* are gameplay related stuff.Kinda like ammo everywhere .. It's more for gameplay  purpose than story .Kinda like doing side mission or probing uranus

I wouldn't go soft on it. I don't mind the stuff like ammo, hell I even accept the very thorough downgrading of  galaxy's small-arms during two years. But there are some things so wrong in Mass2's writing department that it wouldn't do that much more harm for immersion if they just added a blinking text: YOU ARE PLAYING A VIDEOGAME. Which is a real shame because the stuff that isn't broken is some of the most atmospheric stuff I've ever seen in a vid game.

Modifié par Mir5, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[Urazz]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Here are some more. Some minor, some major.

ME1.
- When you look at Earth from the moon, the surface of the planet is reversed?

ME2.
- If you talk to Jaroth on Omega about Archangel, he will tell you that nobody in his team knew his real identity. But when you warn Sidonis that Garrus is going to shoot him, he knows?

- Miranda can die during the suicide mission. Do this, then do Jacob’s loyalty mission. At the end of it, when you talk to the Illusive Man, she will show up during the cutscene. How come?

- Why didn’t Vasir destroy the datapad that shows the location of the SB?

- How come Vasir was capable to fight so good when she lost so much blood and was barely able to even walk?

- Vasir can use charge to move in light speed and jump on buildings! Why didn’t she use this power in order to escape from Shepard and Liara in the first place?

- How did Liara know that the yahg killed the original SB 60 years ago?

- Why didn’t Joker ever thank Shepard for saving his life at the beginning of ME2?

- Why was Feron wearing a nice leather outfit when being the Shadow Broker’s prisoner?

And on the mercs knowing who Garrus was as Archangel?  I thought it was more like they just found out who Sidonis was or who Garrus' squadmembers were not Garrus' Identity.

For doing Jacob's loyalty mission after the end of the game and getting Miranda killed?  The loyalty missions are basically meant to be done before the suicide mission and were designed for that.

On Vasir not destroying the datapad, I'm guessing she was more focused on getting away from Shepard's team and Liara.  That and maybe the Shadowbroker wanted to see the leaked information so he can find the leak that released that information so it wouldn't happen again.

On why Vasir couldn't just spam Charge to get away and was able to fight?  She was injured but probably had an adrenaline rush (or the asari equivalent) that enabled her to fight back and you can't spam charge fast enough to get away that fast.  Two, she can't use a single charge to get too far in distance and it's obvious, Shepard and Liara would be able to track her easily.

On Liara knowing about the Yahg killing the original SB, probably found some info that the the SB was replaced 60 years ago.  Not to mention if the SB has been around for a long time then it obviously can't be a single person unless the SB has been around for less than 1000 years.

And finally on Feron wearing a leather outfit, they just reused Thane's model for the standard drell.  They did the same for Thane's son as well.

Modifié par Urazz, 17 septembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[stewie1974]

ME2 | 2. Why didn't the Collectors try to abduct the Normandy SR-1 crew instead of destroy them?

I should have thought this was obvious... SR2 was disabled and incapable of "moving" do you know how hard it is to "board" a body in motion?

How was it disabled?... .Yep a virus uploaded from a dodgy IFF... the SR1 was still in motion half the crew abandoned ship before it was blown up....

"but they could have used a tractor beam to keep it still!!"
Is there any evidence of collector ships having tractor beams???


why didn't they do the same to the SR1 as they did with SR2.... ermmm  the set up was completely and utterly different that's why... 

This one, is not a plot hole. It's like asking why the collectors didn't try to board the ship when it was it crossed through the omega 4 relay and was shooting at them...... the collector ship is not very manouverable....it needs a stationary target to pull up along side and board..


If it's a "motivation question"......

Well at the time shepard was alive.... they just simply wanted to kill him.... when news of his body being recovered was brought to the light.... then they decided they didn't want to take any chances.... 

ME2 | 2. Why didn't the Collectors try to abduct the Normandy SR-1 crew instead of destroy them?  <- Not a plot hole...


ME2 | 42. Why didn't the diversion team (the one without the biotic barrier) get attacked by massive amounts of seeker swarms?    < Because they didn't go through that chamber .... they went the long way round... I thought this was explained in game??? Another not a plot hole... but a lazy listening exercise. And mordins antidote was enough for seekers in general... just not MILLIONS of em.

Modifié par stewie1974, 18 septembre 2010 - 06:06 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Spornicus wrote...

"OH WHY DOESNT SAREN JUST WALK IN OPEN THE RELAY."

It's simple - the story goes like this.

Before Eden Prime : Sovereign sends the signal to activate the citadel relay *nothing happens*

Sovereign : "now this is odd - Somebody must have interfered with the signal somehow, Now if it was one of the younger races i would have heard about it since i monitor their communications therefore it must have been the Protheans somehow since they were the last race we slaughtered*

Some moths later.

Sovereign : "Aha the humans have found a Prothean beacon on Eden prime, I will send Saren there and order him to melt with it - perhaps this will shed some light on why the Citadel refused to respond to my signal".

Events on Eden Prime.

Sovereign rummages though Sarens brain to look for clues. "I see, The beacon mentions something called the conduit that was places after the last purge - This must be some kind of trap, This HAS to be investigate before all else, I will not summon my kin and have them walk right into a trap and after all i have plenty enough time".

In short finding the out what the conduit was quickly became number one priority for sovereign and by the time they knew what it was Saren was no longer welcome on the citadel.

[amillian]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Here are some more. Some minor, some major.

ME1.
- When you look at Earth from the moon, the surface of the planet is reversed?

ME2.
- If you talk to Jaroth on Omega about Archangel, he will tell you that nobody in his team knew his real identity. But when you warn Sidonis that Garrus is going to shoot him, he knows?

- Miranda can die during the suicide mission. Do this, then do Jacob’s loyalty mission. At the end of it, when you talk to the Illusive Man, she will show up during the cutscene. How come?

- Why didn’t Vasir destroy the datapad that shows the location of the SB?

- How come Vasir was capable to fight so good when she lost so much blood and was barely able to even walk?

- Vasir can use charge to move in light speed and jump on buildings! Why didn’t she use this power in order to escape from Shepard and Liara in the first place?

- How did Liara know that the yahg killed the original SB 60 years ago?

- Why didn’t Joker ever thank Shepard for saving his life at the beginning of ME2?

- Why was Feron wearing a nice leather outfit when being the Shadow Broker’s prisoner?

First Sidonis lied to Jaroth about not knowing the ID, or he learned it after words.
Specter = bad er really tough
better question is why not use medegel.
Liara guessed she says as much.
For joker it was two years maybe he did not think to, or it happended off screen.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Urazz wrote...

And on the mercs knowing who Garrus was as Archangel?  I thought it was more like they just found out who Sidonis was or who Garrus' squadmembers were not Garrus' Identity.

What I mean is, Jaroth tells you that nobody in Archangel’s team knew that he was Garrus. But when you mention Garrus (not Archangel) to Sidonis, then Sidonis knows that he was Archangel.

Yes? Sidonis was on Archangel's team. Of course he'd know Garrus' real name, since we know Garrus only became known as archangel after he started attacking the mercs.

The question is why the mercs didn't ask Sidonis for Archangel's identity when they were blackmailing/threatening him, but then, it's rather obvious from the dialog (esp with Jaroth) that the mercs don't really care who Archangel is, they just want him dead.

So it's a plot hole.

It's more like an extremely unlikely event that most players will never encounter, hence why bioware didn't bother coding for it. Much like how they didn't bother recording any dialog for grunt if you hacked the game to take him on his own recruitment mission.

Then why didn’t she give it to one of the SB’s soldiers while she was fighting Shepard? During the fight with Shepard she charges up the building and stays there for a few minutes while you fight off a wave of enemies. Why doesn’t she give the datapad to one of the soldiers then? Or why doesn’t she escape then?

I'd imagine that by that time, things have gotten personal for her. I mean, she was just heavily wounded, and Shepard and Liara just whacked her with a table. Both Shepard and Liara have been seriously pissing her off. She's a badass asari spectre - she's not used to being inconvenienced, and she's obviously arrogant enough to think she could beat Shepard and Liara. She'd probably gotten pretty tired of the chase by then.

As for how she was able to fight, her suit probably dispensed medigel to stabilize her.

On Liara knowing about the Yahg killing the original SB, probably found some info that the the SB was replaced 60 years ago.  Not to mention if the SB has been around for a long time then it obviously can't be a single person unless the SB has been around for less than 1000 years

And just where did she get that information? Not even the SB’s agents and private army were aware that the yahg killed the original SB 60 years ago. And we also don't know for how long the SB existed.

...If you talk to her afterwards, you can ask her this very question and she basically says "I didn't know. I made an educated guess that turned out to be right." She had no idea the yahg had killed the original SB - she noted that the ship was older than sixty years (not sure how, perhaps from scans or when she downloaded the schematics), and then she realized that the yahg were only discovered sixty years ago, hence the original SB couldn't have been the current yahg one.

So it's a plot hole.

Plot holes have to be actual holes in the plot, not holes in the artwork. If you really need an explanation, just assume the Shadow Broker wanted Feron to keep his clothes as a memory of the life he had before his captivity, like waving a steak in front of a starving man.

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 18 septembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[Midnight_Thirty]

TelexFerra wrote...

ME1: Why didn't Saren just walk onto the Citadel when no one suspected him or anything and activate the Reaper relay program?

 

Saren had to hand over controls directly to Sovereign in order to activate the relay.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Ecael wrote...
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[quote]ME1 | 1. Why weren't there geth ships to guard both ends of the Mu Relay (to counter the Normandy's stealth), and how did Joker fly out once they were alerted to their presence?[/quote]I'd assume all the geth ships were needed for the invasion of the citadel. Possibly because Saren didn't know anything about the Normandy's stealth systems.
[quote]ME2 | 2. Why didn't the Collectors try to abduct the Normandy SR-1 crew instead of destroy them?[/quote]The Normandy would have undoubtedly been operating as part of a floatilla, with the Normandy seeking out "geth" activity and then calling in a heavier group of ships to stop it, since the Normandy is just a stealth frigate without any significant firepower. I believe this is even mentioned somewhere, possibly the codex, but even if not, it makes plenty of sense. The Collectors didn't abduct anyone or try to retrieve Shepard's body because the rest of the ships Normandy was operating with would have received the distress call and shown up quickly.
[quote]ME1 | 3. Couldn't the Turian Councilor accuse Shepard and Tali of pre-recording Saren's voiceprint during the "trial" and modifying it to say what they want (like in Kasumi's DLC)?[/quote]Yes, he could of. I imagine either the Shadow Broker provided info to corroborate it (since he wanted Saren disbarred), or there was some sort of watermark in the geth memory core that proves it's geth and not just a clever forgery. I'm kinda reaching here.
[quote]ME2 | 4. How DID Shepard's body remain intact during the descent into Alchera or his orbit around it?[/quote]Dumb luck and snazzy armor? Heck, maybe it didn't and the Shadow Broker had to piece together Shepard's body before trying to hand it over to the Collectors.
[quote]ME1 | 5. If recording was that simple, why didn't they use it during their conversations with Saren, Sovereign and Vigil? After all, a soldier from Ashley's team was able to send helmet recordings of Sovereign in the middle of battle (why didn't they use that too?)[/quote]Legitimate plot hole. Possibly handwaved in ME3 if you come up with real proof of the reapers and you get more airquotes anyway.
[quote]ME2 | 6. Why are there dog tags in intact crates on Alchera? Did crew members think that hiding in crates would help them survive?[/quote]Obviously a matter of gameplay and story seperation, much like how you can't use a pheonix down on Aeris, or how sometimes ammo magazines appear from nowhere after you pick them up in certain boss fights.
[quote]ME1 | 7. In Bring Down the Sky, why didn't Balak just set the bomb charges off while Shepard was disabling it to kill two birds with one stone?[/quote]I dunno, perhaps the bombs were timed instead of remote detonation, and Balak was just bluffing? I'm reaching here. Maybe Shepard was able to jam the signals when he was within X feet of them.
[quote]ME2 | 8. Why wasn't Shepard and Jacob more suspicious of the fact that Wilson was in a room by himself with human corpses and a wounded leg?[/quote]Shepard was probably disoriented by coming back from the dead, and Jacob worked with Winston for years, never thinking he'd betray Cerb. Somewhat thin, but yeah. Jacob is also not the brightest tool in the shed.
[quote]ME1 | 9. Why wasn't Shepard suspicious enough to ask Ian Newstead how he managed to get past all the geth in the Feros tunnels? Is the Thorian allied with the geth or something?[/quote]Legitimate plothole.
[quote]ME2 | 10. If Garrus wasn't recruited in ME1, why does he still act like he's known Shepard personally through all the "old times"?[/quote]I'd say that's a programming bug, sorta like how Conrad thinks you shoved a gun in his face even if you didn't. Or a writing oversight.
[quote]ME1 | 11. If you let Fist live, why didn't the Shadow Broker hire anyone to go after Fist again, or to go after Wrex for betraying him like Fist did?[/quote]Plothole. Maybe somewhat excused by both Fist and Wrex either being more useful in Wrex's case, or small potatoes in Fist's case. 
[quote]ME2 | 12. Why didn't Warden Kuril in Purgatory wait until Shepard and squad stepped INSIDE the cell before closing it on them?[/quote]Because Shepard wouldn't have stepped into an empty room with no exits. "Oh, outprocessing is just through that solid wall" wouldn't have worked. 
[quote]ME1 | 13. Why couldn't the geth or Saren just attach explosives to all the elevators in Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos and the Citadel to get rid of Shepard?[/quote]Time was of the essence? Or perhaps they just didn't have enough explosives on hand.
[quote]ME2 | 14. If Garrus knew how to take down a gunship in one shot, why didn't he do that the second time instead of shooting at all the offloaded mercs?[/quote]Because otherwise there'd be no bossfight, duh. More seriously, Tarak probably learned from his mistakes and never gave Garrus the right angle he needed to shoot that one vital weak spot (for massive damage).
[quote]ME1 | 15. If the Mako's jets only work for a few seconds, how does it get back to the Normandy without forcing the Normandy to land?[/quote]Uh... Legitimate plot hole, but I guess you could explain it as the Mako overcharging its jets and depleting all the Mako's fuel/energy reserves to get back up to a height where it can be picked up.
[quote]ME2 | 16. If Haestrom's sun destroys all shields and Quarian technology - including Legion (but not Grunt's armor) - why are the other geth unaffected?[/quote]The other Geth probably modified their shields to resist Haestrom's sun. They've been operating in the system for years now and they may be responsible for it being like it is to begin with. (Really because a bunch of unshielded enemies would be lame to fight.)
[quote]ME1 | 17. If the Mako can't fire upwards and has limited mobility, why didn't combat drones just hover over the Mako and fire at it from above?[/quote]Obviously because combat drones are too stupid to try innovative tactics like that.
[quote]ME2 | 18. If Haestrom's radiation prevents all off-world communication, how does EDI immediately contact Shepard after?[/quote]I'd guess that EDI/Normandy was still close enough at that point to communicate with the ground team. Or the Normandy has a rediculously powerful comms array.
[quote]ME1 | 19. Why didn't Saren destroy the second beacon on Virmire after using it to prevent Shepard from doing the same?[/quote]Saren by that point was rapidly losing his own initiative due to indoctrination. It's likely that without Sov actually telling him to, he wouldn't even think about it. OR he just had bigger things on his mind, like how to resist Sov's indoctrination.
[quote]ME2 | 20. Why does Maelon mention "Reaper indoctrination" specifically when referring to Mordin's past research when no one knew about it before then?[/quote]I don't remember that line, but I'd imagine Mordin did that research in between ME1 and ME2 - we know from his SB dossier that he even published a classified study on indoctrination.
[quote]ME1 | 21. If Shepard chose to go to the AA Tower, why didn't Saren and the geth just eliminate whoever stayed back at the bomb site and either disable or take the bomb out of the facility?[/quote]Well, it was an enormous and not very easily moved bomb, and I'm pretty sure the Salarians made sure it was tamper proof, or so they said. Of course, that very logic is why I find it extremely difficult to save Kaidan. Main objective is to make sure the bomb goes off. Letting Saren work whatever reaper mumbo-jumbo he has might interfere with that.
[quote]ME2 | 22. If the Disabled Collector Vessel was a trap by the Collectors, why would they leave behind a large cache of upgraded weapons for Shepard to pick from?[/quote]Laziness on part of those lovable bugs. We know that they left the bodies in a huge pile too, so it's not like they care about cleanliness. They probably just left the guns in that pile during the initial sorting and then forgot about them. It's not like Collectors are individually intelligent after all. A bigger question is why a human colony would have weapons like the Widow, weapons that human beings can't use. Then again, perhaps those weapons have been there for awhile, from when they abducted small samples of other races, like krogan.
[quote]ME1 | 23. Opold in Noveria asks you to smuggle weaponry because they check everyone's belongings and shipments for weapons - except Spectres. How was Matriarch Benezia able to carry all that cargo with her when the weapons can be detected (even though the inactive geth can't)?[/quote]Maybe they sent the weapons in pieces and assembled them on site. A bit of a plot hole though, yeah. I'd assume Benezia just bribed the guards to give the geth-crates a quick scan and then not crack them open.
[quote]ME2 | 24. How did they know the Derelict Reaper was 37 million years old, if the Council was incapable of testing any of Sovereign's parts?[/quote]Probably calculating from when it took its fatal shot. It was at least 37 million years old, if I recall.
[quote]ME1 | 25. If you go to Virmire with Wrex but haven't recruited Garrus or Liara yet, Wrex will automatically agree with you to destroy the genophage regardless of what you say to him. Why?[/quote]Uh... Plot hole? Programming error?
[quote]ME2 | 26. Mordin told Shepard that they made covert drops of the modified genophage on Tuchanka's water supplies and hospitals. What about all the krogan in the rest of the galaxy?[/quote]There are few/no Krogan females in the rest of the galaxy, so you just need to nail them on Tchuchanka and there you go. It doesn't matter if you don't get the males if you do get the females.
[quote]ME1 | 27. On Therum, if there were so many enemies (including underground), why didn't any of them use the mining laser first to get around the barrier?[/quote]Because none of them are smart like Shepard is. Seriously, a bunch of heretic geth and a krogan. Not exactly a brain trust there.
[quote]ME2 | 28. Why are there mechs and heat sinks in Aeia when Ronald Taylor and crew were stranded there 10 years ago? (commonly asked question)[/quote]Probably a matter of gameplay and story seperation again - it'd be awfully terrible to run out of ammo after the first firefight because there weren't any thermal clips around.
[quote]ME1 | 29. Why did the Thorian attach itself above a seemingly bottomless pit to fall down in?[/quote]Maybe it wasn't by choice. Maybe it's lower body is sensitive and it doesn't like rubbing up against concrete.
[quote]ME2 | 30. The Illusive Man said that an Alliance science team discovered the great rift on Klendagon, but it was a Cerberus team that traced the location of the Derelict Reaper. What happened to the Alliance science team?[/quote]Obviously Cerberus killed them all to preserve the secret.
[quote]ME1 | 31. If either Ashley or Kaidan are left behind by themselves in the Virmire multi-squad mission and two other squadmates are with Shepard, what are the other two doing?[/quote]Watching the Mako. Can't have those geth stealing it after all.
[quote]ME2 | 32. Was Legion saying that Shepard talked to Sovereign on Ilos writer oversight or did the geth really make a mistake?[/quote]Probably just a writer oversight.
[quote]ME1 | 33. If hanar are allowed to roam on the Presidium, where is their Embassy and where is the Hanar Ambassador?[/quote]Obviously in one of the many parts of the Presidium we can't actually visit ingame, much like how we can't visit anywhere in the Presidium except Anderson's office in ME2.
[quote]ME2 | 34. Why didn't the crew test the Reaper IFF near the Citadel fleet? Was there supposed to be some kind of actual multi-squad mission they needed to do?[/quote]Well, the ship is still a Cerberus vessel. Getting close to the citadel fleet wouldn't have been very smart because then they could have arrested the Normandy and her crew instead of the SR2 hiding in the citadel's normal traffic like they do whenever they visit the citadel. The "where did the shuttle go???" question is valid one, but I'd just say that it's a matter of Shepard going to a normal mission and then turning right around when he gets Joker's distress call.
[quote]ME1 | 35. Why didn't the Normandy SR-1 just use its Reaper-slaying cannons instead of the Mako in the Ilos ruins the moment they saw Saren walk in?[/quote]Same reason the SR2 never uses those delicious thanix cannons to fry, say, Vido. Or Hock. Or the collector cruiser as it lifts off from Horizon. If I had to speculate, it's probably a matter of firing angles combined with the assumption that the door is shielded in this particular case.
[quote]ME2 | 36. After the Mass Effect core was destroyed in the Derelict Reaper and they floated over to the Normandy (suggesting the Reaper no longer has its own gravity), why didn't they immediately start falling into Mnemosyne instead?[/quote]Uh, maybe Normandy's own grav field extends slightly outside the hull.
[quote]ME1 | 37. Why did the Protheans disable the Keepers' reaction to open the Citadel relay instead of disabling the relay portion of the Citadel itself (both the Keepers and the Citadel are advanced technology, after all)?[/quote]Obviously it wasn't possible. Relays are a lot more complex than keepers, I guess.
[quote]ME2 | 38. Why did the Collector Base only have one ship to defend itself when the Base itself is the size of a planet?[/quote]It isn't the size of a planet. It's huge, but it doesn't seem much bigger than, say, the Citadel. Also, when we look at the base, the docking port for the cruiser is huge and takes up a pretty big portion of it. I kinda get the impression that the collectors only had one ship too. Which is something of a strategic error on the reapers' parts. But then, how many ships do you need to covertly abduct people? 
[quote]ME1 | 39. If Turian husks (Saren) have more reach and flexibility than human husks, why didn't Sovereign just convert all the Turians he found?[/quote]Obviously Turians aren't that much better.
[quote]ME2 | 40. Why does Grunt die as Second Fire Team Leader because his shields went down (he has armor, not shields)?[/quote]Obviously his armor went down too. Blame collectors. 
[quote]ME1 | 41. How does the Citadel Rapid Transit shuttle manage to get into enclosed spaces like the hallway in Chora's Den?[/quote]I assume you took the shutle to the next shuttle dock and then walked to the fast transit station. As a gameplay concession.
[quote]ME2 | 42. Why didn't the diversion team (the one without the biotic barrier) get attacked by massive amounts of seeker swarms?[/quote]Because they used a path without any seeker swarms guarding it.
[quote]ME1 | 43. If Shepard eliminates the Council and replaces it with a new, all-human Council, why can't Udina and Anderson both be on it?[/quote]Because then it'd just be an endless repetition of "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!" "I REFUSE TO LET THIS WHITEWASH CONTINUE!" "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"
[quote]ME2 | 44. Why were we forced into joining Cerberus? I wanted to side with the Shadow Broker.[/quote]Because the SB wasn't particularly inclined to help you defeat the collectors.
[quote]ME1 | 45. Why were we forced into joining the Council Spectres? I wanted to side with Saren.[/quote]Saren haets humans and wouldn't let you join him.
[quote]ME2 | 46. Why are Tali and Garrus (and all the aliens on the ship) more trusting of Shepard working with Cerberus than Ashley and Kaidan?

If I had to guess, it'd be because Tali and Garrus actually got a chance to meet the crew rather than just dismissing the notion of Cerberus not being evil. Ash: "Ah yes, "Cerberus benevolence." I have dismissed those claims, Shepard." Shep: "But..." Ash: "No buts, I just gave you the airquotes." Shep: 
[/quote]

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 18 septembre 2010 - 02:28 .

[stewie1974]

Biggest plot hole from both games.

Why three person teams?

Seriously?...... yeah it's a gameplay thing, but it still makes absolute zero sense..
Why isn't "Dr Mordin" actually any good as a battle medic?.....

Team build wise, you have a few different classes of warriors or engineers, but no medic other than your magic medigel suit....why does everyone else have "medical stations" yet your squad is the only squad in the galaxy to have discovered "linked medigel suits"........

Yeah these are gameplay related plot holes... but then so are half a dozen.... why do people throw thermal clips when they die? ... why do bodies only linger a while and then "become one with the force ala obi wan"... .again a gameplay related plot hole, like "nearly" all of these so called plot holes.

"Why can't I join badguy X" is a gameplay issue not a plothole issue.... a plothole would mean it makes no sense of the current plot ..... it's like saying "Luke not joining vader" is a plot hole because I wanted him to..... as much choice as you have in the game...its still pretty linear...as it aways arrives at the same physical destination and climatic battle... the journey varries a little...but thats about it.

Modifié par stewie1974, 18 septembre 2010 - 06:05 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Why three person teams?

Why can you only have 4 chars in DA, or 6 in BG? You have to draw the line somewhere, so I don't think this counts.
Why do you have to take 2 henchmen, i.e. a full squad, at any one time? Because it would be reckless for Shepard to fight Geth/Collectors alone whilst the squad offers helpful advice over radio.

Edited to add:

ME2: If the Reapers can simply fly to the Galaxy, and do it in a
reasonable time-frame (get there in time for ME3), then why didn't they
fly to the galaxy a thousand years ago when their initial plot was
foiled in the Rachni war, or then again a few hundred years ago instead
of an overly-elaborate plot to get Saren and the Geth to directly
confront the Citadel?

AFAIK it is never stated that the Reapers will get to a mass relay connected to Citadel space in such a time-frame. I'd say that it might easily take them a few hundred years.
WMG: Maybe Shepard dicovers an entangled-quantum comm link and uploads a self-destruct virus to the Reaper fleet. Or, failing that, Liara becomes the main character of ME3 (she's the only squadmember guaranteed to be alive at the end of ME2, after all).

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 19 septembre 2010 - 10:17 .

[mxw10000]

On the OP's #15:



if you activate the EDI box down on lv 4 of the Normandy SR-2, (the one right by the window over-looking the shuttle/hammerhead bay), Shep and EDI have dialog that answers this q good enough for me.



Shep "why do we even have a shuttle? My last ship didn't need one."



EDI "This ship is almost twice the mass of the original Normandy. It is more difficult to land this ship on high gravity worlds."



To me this simply means the ship came down low to the planet for pickups. Much like how your squad and Nhilus were dropped off on the planet in the very beginning of ME1.



I don't think this is at all a plot hole. Just my opinion though. Take it for what you will.

[Reaper27]

[quote]ME2 | 2. Why didn't the Collectors try to abduct the Normandy SR-1 crew instead of destroy them?[/quote]It was unlikely they would be able to disable the ship, board it and carry away the crew before the Normandy had sent off a distress signal. Why would they take such a massive risk just to kidnap a crew of around 20-30 people?

[quote]ME1 | 3. Couldn't the Turian Councilor accuse Shepard and Tali of pre-recording Saren's voiceprint during the "trial" and modifying it to say what they want (like in Kasumi's DLC)?[/quote]C-Sec probably checked it for authenticity before it was presented to the Council.

[quote]ME2 | 4. How DID Shepard's body remain intact during the descent into Alchera or his orbit around it?[/quote]His helmet and chestplate can both be found and are relatively undamaged. As long as his armour stayed attatched to his body until impact it would have been held intact (or at least it would have minimised the distance it would have been spread across the planet).

[quote]ME1 | 7. In Bring Down the Sky, why didn't Balak just set the bomb charges off while Shepard was disabling it to kill two birds with one stone?[/quote]When Shepard said that Balak could leave he also meant that he would not be pursued as his ship departed the planet. If Balak had decided to detonate the bombs and kill Shepard, the Normandy would have chased his ship and destroyed it.

[quote]ME1 | 9. Why wasn't Shepard suspicious enough to ask Ian Newstead how he managed to get past all the geth in the Feros tunnels? Is the Thorian allied with the geth or something?[/quote]The Thorian had been controlling the colonists for a long time. Ian had probably been down there since before the Geth arrived, as Fai Dan is aware he is down there if asked.

[quote]ME1 | 11. If you let Fist live, why didn't the Shadow Broker hire anyone to go after Fist again, or to go after Wrex for betraying him like Fist did?[/quote]Bounty hunters are freelance, so Wrex not killing Fist is not really a "betrayal". Besides, it would be suicide for some mercenary to go to Tuchanka and try to kill Wrex when he is surrounded by hundreds of Krogans. Fist is probably paying Aria to protect him and the Shadow Broker isn't going to waste time or resources to kill someone who is no longer a threat.

[quote]ME2 | 12. Why didn't Warden Kuril in Purgatory wait until Shepard and squad stepped INSIDE the cell before closing it on them?[/quote]Why would Shepard and his squad casually walk into an empty cell? Did they think it was an elevator?

[quote]ME2 | 16. If Haestrom's sun destroys all shields and Quarian technology - including Legion (but not Grunt's armor) - why are the other geth unaffected?[/quote]More advanced shields I guess. Maybe based on Reaper technology.

[quote]ME1 | 17. If the Mako can't fire upwards and has limited mobility, why didn't combat drones just hover over the Mako and fire at it from above?[/quote]Combat drones aren't programmed to strategise.

[quote]ME1 | 21. If Shepard chose to go to the AA Tower, why didn't Saren and the geth just eliminate whoever stayed back at the bomb site and either disable or take the bomb out of the facility?[/quote]They thought that the distraction team was the main attack. By the time they realised about the nuke it was already armed and assumingly could not be disarmed (Kaiden/Ash says they're making sure the nuke goes off no matter what). By then it was only minutes away from detonation and there was no time to load it onto a ship and transport it away.


[quote]ME1 | 23. Opold in Noveria asks you to smuggle weaponry because they check everyone's belongings and shipments for weapons - except Spectres. How was Matriarch Benezia able to carry all that cargo with her when the weapons can be detected (even though the inactive geth can't)?[/quote]Highly likely that exceptions are made for people who own a lot of stock in the company, especially as Anoloeis was completely corrupt. Alternatively, Anoloeis hadn't been informed that Saren's spectre status had been revoked and Saren authorised Benezia to transport weapons.

[quote]ME2 | 26. Mordin told Shepard that they made covert drops of the modified genophage on Tuchanka's water supplies and hospitals. What about all the krogan in the rest of the galaxy?[/quote]Those Krogan had left their homeworld and never intended to return. They were highly unlikely to breed as the fertile females all stay on Tuchanka.

[quote]ME1 | 27. On Therum, if there were so many enemies (including underground), why didn't any of them use the mining laser first to get around the barrier?[/quote]Because they didn't want the entire excavation site to collapse on top of them and Liara (who they were supposed to be capturing alive).

[quote]ME2 | 28. Why are there mechs and heat sinks in Aeia when Ronald Taylor and crew were stranded there 10 years ago? (commonly asked question)[/quote]Plot hole. If an explanation is really needed, maybe a newer ship crash landed and they looted it.

[quote]ME1 | 29. Why did the Thorian attach itself above a seemingly bottomless pit to fall down in?[/quote]The thing had tentacles spreading out for miles (ask the VI in Exogeni about the Thorian). It was hanging at the point where all of them converged, which just happened to be above a bottomless pit. I doubt it expected some human to come along and drop it into the pit.

[quote]ME2 | 30. The Illusive Man said that an Alliance science team discovered the great rift on Klendagon, but it was a Cerberus team that traced the location of the Derelict Reaper. What happened to the Alliance science team?[/quote]Nothing happened to them. They just discovered the rift, which Cerberus then heard about, probably from spies that had infiltrated the Alliance, and decided to investigate what caused it.

[quote]ME2 | 32. Was Legion saying that Shepard talked to Sovereign on Ilos writer oversight or did the geth really make a mistake?[/quote]Blunder by Bioware.

[quote]ME2 | 34. Why didn't the crew test the Reaper IFF near the Citadel fleet? Was there supposed to be some kind of actual multi-squad mission they needed to do?[/quote]The Council was already angry at Shepard for being with Cerberus and had told him to restrict his operations to the Terminus systems. Experimenting with Reaper technology next to the Destiny Ascension would not have been wise.

[quote]ME1 | 35. Why didn't the Normandy SR-1 just use its Reaper-slaying cannons instead of the Mako in the Ilos ruins the moment they saw Saren walk in?[/quote]If Saren had survived, he would have walked straight to the Conduit while Shepard would have just destroyed his only entrance to the ruins.

[quote]ME1 | 37. Why did the Protheans disable the Keepers' reaction to open the Citadel relay instead of disabling the relay portion of the Citadel itself (both the Keepers and the Citadel are advanced technology, after all)?[/quote]The Citadel is huge and nobody has any idea how it works. There is no way they could even hope to find whatever part of the Citadel activates the Relay.

[quote]ME1 | 39. If Turian husks (Saren) have more reach and flexibility than human husks, why didn't Sovereign just convert all the Turians he found?[/quote]Saren wasn't a husk, he was still alive when Sovereign finished implanting him, while a husk is just a walking corpse. A human implanted with Reaper technology proved just as formiddable in Mass Effect Retribution.

[quote]ME2 | 40. Why does Grunt die as Second Fire Team Leader because his shields went down (he has armor, not shields)?[/quote]Blunder by Bioware.

[quote]ME2 | 44. Why were we forced into joining Cerberus? I wanted to side with the Shadow Broker.[/quote]The Shadow Broker was allied with the Collectors. He's not going to help Shepard destroy them.

[quote]ME1 | 45. Why were we forced into joining the Council Spectres? I wanted to side with Saren.[/quote]Because voluntarily helping Sovereign destroy all sentient life would make no sense.

[quote]ME2 | 46. Why are Tali and Garrus (and all the aliens on the ship) more trusting of Shepard working with Cerberus than Ashley and Kaidan?[/quote]If Kaidan or Ash decied to join Shepard in Cerberus after, they would have been branded traitors, discharged from the Alliance and would effectively be sacrificing everything they had achieved in their lives. None of the aliens on the ship are affiliated with any particular military organisation so they have less to lose if they find that their trust is misplaced (assuming that Cerberus doesn't dissect them or something anyway).

Modifié par Reaper27, 20 septembre 2010 - 12:46 .

[AlexMBrennan]

ME2 | 40. Why does Grunt die as Second Fire Team Leader because his shields went down (he has armor, not shields)?

His special power is an ability to fortify his armour with non-Newtonian fluids. Once his kinetic barriers are down it is only a matter of time until something important gets hit irrespective of the strength of his body armour. The effect (+X% max shield stength) is simply due to a technical limitation of the game.
I think I'm wrong about this (according to the wiki he is using armour exclusively).

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:26 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

ME2 | 40. Why does Grunt die as Second Fire Team Leader because his shields went down (he has armor, not shields)?

Grunt has a barrier/energy shield not just raw armor.  He may have referred to that as shields and technically it would be.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 20 septembre 2010 - 04:56 .

[AlexMBrennan]

I agree. However, if you take him to Haestrom he will be unaffected by the sun.

[Breakdown Boy]

ME2 | 44. Why were we forced into joining Cerberus? I wanted to side with the Shadow Broker.



And let the SB send you of to become a collector smoothy? That is a dumb question!



ME1 | 45. Why were we forced into joining the Council Spectres? I wanted to side with Saren.



Because that's the plot! Why join Saren, wow let's destroy the galaxy, great one genius!





ME2 | 46. Why are Tali and Garrus (and all the aliens on the ship) more trusting of Shepard working with Cerberus than Ashley and Kaidan?



Because they are stuck up ass holes, wh ocan't get over the fact that one of the got killed off in ME1, or the ybot hhave survivor guilt and can't face Shepard who is MOVING ON WITH HIS LIFE!!!!





No 44 and 45 are idiot questions!