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[belwin]

LorDC wrote...

HalfTangible wrote...
Perhaps it seemed irrelevant to them, or they never really noticed?

If they never noticed it means that they either tend to commit suicides from time to time or sometimes just fly away with no apparent reasons. Doesn't make much more sense. And if it seemed irrelevant to them it is even more strange considering how methodically they wipe out all traces of their activity.

they do move over the entire milky way killing life,
it seems highly improbable they would nit pick themselves out of existance,
i mean they left alot of prothean ruins, AND the beacons from the last time around.
you also find evidence of other civilizations if you check the planet blurbs exploring.

unless that states that they merely checked the galaxy every 50,000 years and if no one was ready to be harvested they simply left, which means that there could've been alot less harvests rather than exactly one every 50,000 years.

[LorDC]

belwin wrote...
i mean they left alot of prothean ruins, AND the beacons from the last time around.
you also find evidence of other civilizations if you check the planet blurbs exploring.

Exactly what you said. They left a lot of evidence about other civilizations but nothing about themselves. Everyone knows about Protheans but no one knows about Reapers(at the beginning of ME 1).

belwin wrote...
unless that states that they merely checked the galaxy every 50,000 years and if no one was ready to be harvested they simply left, which means that there could've been alot less harvests rather than exactly one every 50,000 years.

Well, current state of galaxy suggests that different races pop out pretty regularly. Doesn't really matter because logic suggests that they should have checked it first time. Also Reaper didn't just die of natural causes or some disaster. He was killed. And if someone used such weapon once I doubt Reapers could have missed it as the key of their plan is that organic races don't have superior technology.

[Mir5]

Just had a second run through this feast of gold and crap, and I am ready to declare that the ultimately worst line in the game belongs to EDI, because she explains the liquified human goo with the words: ESSENCE OF A SPECIES.
Seriously, the stupidest thing I've read or heard since the few random pages of Bible. Or was it quran? Doesn't matter. It just fights my logic so bad that I think it's actually starting to hurt.

Modifié par Mir5, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:01 .

[belwin]

LorDC wrote...
Exactly what you said. They left a lot of evidence about other civilizations but nothing about themselves. Everyone knows about Protheans but no one knows about Reapers(at the beginning of ME 1).

hmmm, this is true. at least, no one you meet does. the shadow brokers seems to know what is up since he helps you with Saren (Liara also brings up this during LotSB). There is a severe lack of info about them, but Shepard wouldn't be all that special if lots of other people knew about the reapers now would he?

LorDC wrote...
Well, current state of galaxy suggests that different races pop out pretty regularly. Doesn't really matter because logic suggests that they should have checked it first time. Also Reaper didn't just die of natural causes or some disaster. He was killed. And if someone used such weapon once I doubt Reapers could have missed it as the key of their plan is that organic races don't have superior technology.

well reapers do seem pretty arogant, which could attest to it. TiM also says that the weapon was defunct.
also, personally i see fear as the reapers biggest weapon. especially if they hit the heart of galactic governement first thing off a screw up the mass relays. would cause mass panic like that 1950s radio brodcast about war of the worlds.

[LorDC]

belwin wrote...
well reapers do seem pretty arogant, which could attest to it. TiM also says that the weapon was defunct.

But when Shepard killed one of their own they became very interested in him. Weapon being defunct doesn't change anything. If someone was able to produce weapon capable of one-shotting Reaper it means that they were much more advanced than planned. I just don't believe that Reapers could have kept cycle of extinction running for a few hundreds of millions years while ignoring any potential threats.

Side note: You can give an explanation to pretty much any plot hole. Question is just how plausible this explanation will be.

[Maestro975]

Big forum, recently discovered, so apologies if these questions were already asked/discussed:



ME1: Despite the fact that the asari-creeper hybrids are birthed from Thorian itself, on pretty much an impromptu basis, they are all wearing full armor. Shouldn't they be naked like the rest of the creepers?



ME2: Why bother trying to take out the Reaper larva? Once the base is destroyed or purged, it would be toast.

[LorDC]

Maestro975 wrote...

Big forum, recently discovered, so apologies if these questions were already asked/discussed:

ME1: Despite the fact that the asari-creeper hybrids are birthed from Thorian itself, on pretty much an impromptu basis, they are all wearing full armor. Shouldn't they be naked like the rest of the creepers?

ME2: Why bother trying to take out the Reaper larva? Once the base is destroyed or purged, it would be toast.

1) It's not a plothole. Just lazy design/age restrictions. I'd like to see naked asari too, but that's not gonna happen=(

2) Most probably it just prevented Shepard from escaping somehow. Kinda hard to get away with that thing dragon-breathing on you.

[HalfTangible]

Mir5 wrote...

Just had a second run through this feast of gold and crap, and I am ready to declare that the ultimately worst line in the game belongs to EDI, because she explains the liquified human goo with the words: ESSENCE OF A SPECIES.
Seriously, the stupidest thing I've read or heard since the few random pages of Bible. Or was it quran? Doesn't matter. It just fights my logic so bad that I think it's actually starting to hurt.

Essence is, in <horriblepun> everything a creature is: it's body, mind, soul, etc... Why NOT use it?

Also: calling religions stupid for no apparent reason is a very easy way to tick quite a few people off. Seriously, why even bother putting that in there? Especially if right after you add 'doesn't matter'.

[supakillaii]

Mir5 wrote...

Just had a second run through this feast of gold and crap, and I am ready to declare that the ultimately worst line in the game belongs to EDI, because she explains the liquified human goo with the words: ESSENCE OF A SPECIES.
Seriously, the stupidest thing I've read or heard since the few random pages of Bible. Or was it quran? Doesn't matter. It just fights my logic so bad that I think it's actually starting to hurt.

Pure genetic goo thing.

[Vaenier]

HalfTangible wrote...

Mir5 wrote...

Just had a second run through this feast of gold and crap, and I am ready to declare that the ultimately worst line in the game belongs to EDI, because she explains the liquified human goo with the words: ESSENCE OF A SPECIES.
Seriously, the stupidest thing I've read or heard since the few random pages of Bible. Or was it quran? Doesn't matter. It just fights my logic so bad that I think it's actually starting to hurt.

Essence is, in everything a creature is: it's body, mind, soul, etc... Why NOT use it?

Because there is no mind or sole or soul. to presever the mind, the brain must stay intact in its current configuration. if you rip apart the neurons, there is no mind left. Also there is no souls except your feet, but you liquified them to so they no longer exist either. What you are left with is a puddle of useless biomass. If you wanted dna, all you would need is a single piece of hair, a skin cell, a drop of blood, not an entire person of biomass.

[Domiusr]

ME1 | 39. If Turian husks (Saren) have more reach and flexibility than human husks, why didn't Sovereign just convert all the Turians he found?



You're talking about the second turn of the final fight? Well, I think Saren wasn't just husk. His transformation was different and I believe that it was Sovereign controlling him (like Harbinger can control Collectors).

Plus Sovereign attacked human colony first (Eden Prime) and generally there weren't many turians on his way.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The new 7-page preview for the comic Evolution already threw three pretty massive plotholes at us:

> How did TIM and his partner know those were called "turians"?
> How do they understand each other's languages and this is the first time the two species have ever met?
> State-of-the-art ME2 weaponry, and this comic is supposed to take place some 50 years in the past.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 31 décembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Iakus]

38 years. But who's counting?

I'm a little concerned about the future of the stroyline now

Modifié par iakus, 31 décembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm a little concerned Walters doesn't seem to know what a plothole is and how much pain it can cause.

[Zulu_DFA]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The new 7-page preview for the comic Evolution already threw three pretty massive plotholes at us:

> How did TIM and his partner know those were called "turians"?
> How do they understand each other's languages and this is the first time the two species have ever met?
> State-of-the-art ME2 weaponry, and this comic is supposed to takes place some 50 years in the past.

First off, we have to cut much slack to the comics, that are a medium that is inherently unable to go into details.

But:

> it's clear that the warfare has been going on for some time already, and "Know Your Foe" maxim has been on the first page of any tactic and strategy textbook since before there were textbooks.

> The comic was justabout to dwelve into that, when the previw ended: TIM and his Turian prisoner discuss that communicator device.

> Not 50 years, less than 30 actually. And remember: AK-47(where 47 means the year) is still in use. M1 "Abrams" MBT was developed in 1970s. So even the "Mako" there can be some advanced prototype, lacking some of the fancy stuffing it would get by 2183... Let's just hope the thermal clips have been kept out of this comic.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

First off, we have to cut much slack to the comics, that are a medium that is inherently unable to go into details.

That's what I thought. They kind of have to stay away from details since there is essentially no room for them in a comic.

> it's clear that the warfare has been going on for some time already, and "Know Your Foe" maxim has been on the first page of any tactic and strategy textbook since before there were textbooks.

Does this mean that's not the first time humans have met with turians? If that's the case, I think it's totally understandable then.

The other points make sense to me, though.

[ADLegend21]

Well that was just 7 pages.

[Iakus]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

> it's clear that the warfare has been going on for some time already, and "Know Your Foe" maxim has been on the first page of any tactic and strategy textbook since before there were textbooks.

Does this mean that's not the first time humans have met with turians? If that's the case, I think it's totally understandable then.

The other points make sense to me, though.

The First Contact War was quite literally first contact for humanity.  According to the wiki, at first some wondered if they were fighting Protheans

Shanxi was occupied for about one month before the Second Fleet kicked the turians out.

How all this applies to the comic, I dunno..  But it is clear that humanity went into the fight knowing absolutely nothing about turians.  And at the pooint the comic takes place, they only had a few weeks to a couple of months total to acclimate themselves.

[Fiery Phoenix]

True. Hopefully the full comic sheds some light on the whole thing.

@Iakus: But humanity KNEW there was this race called turians?

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 31 décembre 2010 - 06:45 .

[Iakus]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

True. Hopefully the full comic sheds some light on the whole thing.

@Iakus: But humanity KNEW there was this race called turians?

Unknown.  Doesn't say when humanity definitively learned that the race they were fighting was called "turians"  Just that they had no contact with any intelligent life before the Relay 314 Incident.  Before then, the Protheans were the only other race they knew about at all.

[Zulu_DFA]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Does this mean that's not the first time humans have met with turians?

In the Prologue of Revelation it is said that a force launched from Shanxi managed to destroy the Turian patrol that initianly engaged us at the "Relay 456" (or whatever it's called). And Evolution opens up at the point where the Turians have already retaliated, and are mopping up pockets of resistance on the ground. So there could have been prisoners on both sides for several days at least. Now push the "Sci-Fi" button, and Bob's your uncle.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Does this mean that's not the first time humans have met with turians?

In the Prologue of Revelation it is said that a force launched from Shanxi managed to destroy the Turian patrol that initianly engaged us at the "Relay 456" (or whatever it's called). And Evolution opens up at the point where the Turians have already retaliated, and are mopping up pockets of resistance on the ground. So there could have been prisoners on both sides for several days at least. Now push the "Sci-Fi" button, and Bob's your uncle.

 I guess that explains it, then.

[Da_Lion_Man]

So... I know this is not really the point of the topic but what are some of the biggest plotholes? Ones that are unexplainable or contradict the storyline?

[didymos1120]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

So... I know this is not really the point of the topic but what are some of the biggest plotholes? Ones that are unexplainable or contradict the storyline?

Oh, you mean stuff that's actually a plothole and not stuff people didn't like or couldn't be bothered to figure out themselves from the existing information and just declared a "plothole"?  Good question.  Don't have an answer handy at the moment.

Modifié par didymos1120, 03 janvier 2011 - 06:54 .

[Praetor Knight]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

So... I know this is not really the point of the topic but what are some of the biggest plotholes? Ones that are unexplainable or contradict the storyline?

There's only one really nitpicky one that I've come up with.

In Biotics, eezo using an electrical current to work without a proton in the nucleus
(but there could be something with an electromagnetic field creating some sort of magnetic force or electrostatic repulsion, maybe even some sort of ionizing effect).



Here's my original post, where I provide a definition I felt comfortable with, to explain what a plot hole is, at least IMHO.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 03 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .