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[Onyx Jaguar]

That post is so damn... evil.

[Ecael]

Shinian2 wrote...

ME1: Why was it a choice between Kaiden or Ash on Virmire? Why not any of the random 'red-shirts' on the Normandy? Or one of the aliens?

Well, they're the two characters in Mass Effect 1 with the most dialogue (other than Shepard, of course).

I wonder if they always had that planned - I'm guessing the writers are just going to make them the squadmate version of a Sentinel MaleShep/Soldier FemShep in ME3 - slightly different lines and skills, but the same exact purpose.

ME2: I had the ship fully upgraded (Shields,armour, weapon) by the time the Collector ship mission came up. Why did Joker have to run away when we could have just destroyed it?

Probably something to do with the IFF - they didn't know what else they could have found in there, and destroying the ship would hinder their progress in finding the actual base.

[Ecael]

SuperMedbh wrote...

ME1:  Due to conservation of angular momentum, when the Citadel closes, objects towards the ends of the Citadel will experience a roughly .13 g acceleration perpendicular to the usual artificial "gravity".  That doesn't sound like much until you realize that your best china set will head for the walls at 1.27 m/s2.  Smash city!

For the three of you who care about the maths, let L=mvr where L equals angular momentum, v equals the rotational velocity (perpendicular to the radius of rotation) and r equals the radius of rotation.

I love learning about biology and chemistry, but physics and their equations?

[jackkel dragon]

SuperMedbh wrote...

Oh yes, ME2.  Boo the Space Hamster was onboard when EDI opened the ship to space (except for the engine room).  HOW DID HE SURVIVE?????  In a recent thread about this, it became clear that the ONLY way Boo could survive would be Reaper Tech.  Which brings up the obvious suspicion---

He went for the eyes. Didn't you see the souveniers (spelling?) in the hamster home? Collector eyes survive vaccums. He held a collector eye. The cage is bolted down, keeping him inside.

Can I have a raise now?

[Soverign 666]

ME1: How where there husks outside the elevator to the citadel in the final mission dosent it take a few hours for them to transform!



ME2: If reapers look like the species they were built from why did every reaper at the end look like soverign!

[Kaiser Shepard]

And once again, I am impressed. I'd ask you to marry me if there wasn't the chance that you're actually a guy with a Jentha avatar.



In any case, it's nice to have a centralized 'plothole' topic. I'll write down a few ones tomorrow, im too tired and somewhat drunk by now.

[Cain_Novaburn]

[quote]Ecael wrote...

This thread is to discuss plot holes apparent in Mass Effect 1 and 2 and to attempt to solve them as if they were puzzles the writers left behind.

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Thank you so much for doing this btw. I love to "Fight for the plot" Now I have a place to do so.


[quote]ME1 | 1. Why weren't there geth ships to guard both ends of the Mu Relay (to counter the Normandy's stealth), and how did Joker fly out once they were alerted to their presence?[/quote]There can be many answers to this. We'd have to know what Saren was thinking to actually know the truth but here's a guess. Saren probably wasn't concerned with defending his position because all he wanted to do was use the relay to get to the citadel. He most likely didn't expect Shepard to even be there in time and the fact that he probably knew the Normany had been forrbidden to go into the Terminus systems or maybe he even knew that it was forbidden to leave the Citadel at all.

As for Joker, he could have fought his way out or done any number of manuvers to get out of there. The story focused on Shepard during this point so we can only guess on how Joker made it through. Joke Answer: Because he's Seth Green.

[quote]ME2 | 2. Why didn't the Collectors try to abduct the Normandy SR-1 crew instead of destroy them?[/quote]Again, lot of possbile answers here. Perhaps they wanted Shepard to come to them and mistakingly thought they could handle him or maybe when the IFF went off they went to investigate, saw they could easily take the ship and decided to grab everyone because it benifits their plans more than destroying them (its like when you just drop your scanner on a planet and just so happen to get the reasource that want, you're going to take it because you need it and its a easy job). Or maybe they wanted to capture Shepard himself and didn't know he had jsut left. 

[quote]ME1 | 3. Couldn't the Turian Councilor accuse Shepard and Tali of pre-recording Saren's voiceprint during the "trial" and modifying it to say what they want (like in Kasumi's DLC)?[/quote]This did cross my mind but Tali grabbed it from a Geth's data core. I'm sure she could provide enough evidance to prove thats how she got it. Also the Quarians created the Geth and it would be hard to dispute the claims of one who really has no incentive to fake it.

[quote]ME2 | 6. Why are there dog tags in intact crates on Alchera? Did crew members think that hiding in crates would help them survive?[/quote]Could have ended up under them or the force of the crash could have caused this.

[quote]ME1 | 7. In Bring Down the Sky, why didn't Balak just set the bomb charges off while Shepard was disabling it to kill two birds with one stone?[/quote][quote]mss2 wrote...
Because then the Normandy would immediately go after Balak.  (This assumes that Balak communicated a threat to blow Shepard up to the Normandy.  Also that he could get to the mass relay, or at least get enough of a head start that the Normandy couldn't catch up, in the time it took for Shepard to disable the charges.)
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[quote]ME2 | 8. Why wasn't Shepard and Jacob more suspicious of the fact that Wilson was in a room by himself with human corpses and a wounded leg?[/quote]Probably thought Mechs did it. Also Jacob knows he worked on Shepard so it wouldn't make sense as to why one of the cheif scientists who brought him back to life would try and kill him. As for Shepard one of the convo options is to say you don't trust either of them so Shepard only trusts him if you want.

[quote]ME2 | 12. Why didn't Warden Kuril in Purgatory wait until Shepard and squad stepped INSIDE the cell before closing it on them?[/quote]It was outprocessing. When Shepard opens the door and sees an empty cell and and dead end he would know hes been set up so Warden Kell was probably trying to force him to do something he knew he would not do willingly. 


[quote]ME1 | 13. Why couldn't the geth or Saren just attach explosives to all the elevators in Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos and the Citadel to get rid of Shepard?[/quote]Because then they would being do us a favor. In honesty this one of those things that happens when you read too much into things. If we had to play through all the stuff that Saren would do if this was RL the game would never end and we'd constantly be running into traps and stupid things all the time, making the game less fun.

[quote]ME2 | 14. If Garrus knew how to take down a gunship in one shot, why didn't he do that the second time instead of shooting at all the offloaded mercs?[/quote]You mean during his recruitment? In that one the gunship got the drop on him first so there is no way he could get a clear shot.

[quote]ME1 | 15. If the Mako's jets only work for a few seconds, how does it get back to the Normandy without forcing the Normandy to land?[/quote]This one is probably an oversight on their part but still it could be to save fuel/power or maybe even to keep it from overheating. Using it/taking that risk to get to the Normandy is probably worth it. Example: Conserving power or fuel to make sure you can actually do a long burn and make it back to the Normandy at all.


[quote]ME1 | 17. If the Mako can't fire upwards and has limited mobility, why didn't combat drones just hover over the Mako and fire at it from above?[/quote]They did sometimes to me. I had to drive away to get a better angle.



[quote]ME2 | 20. Why does Maelon mention "Reaper indoctrination" specifically when referring to Mordin's past research when no one knew about it before then?[/quote]Its been two years since Shepard and Mordin probably heard rumors about it, even if the council denied it, and decided to persure his own reaserch. Just like Liara put the pieces together to noticed something came after the Protheans to write clean the evidence.


[quote]ME1 | 21. If Shepard chose to go to the AA Tower, why didn't Saren and the geth just eliminate whoever stayed back at the bomb site and either disable or take the bomb out of the facility?[/quote]They tired, but you stop them when you go back.

[quote]ME2 | 22. If the Disabled Collector Vessel was a trap by the Collectors, why would they leave behind a large cache of upgraded weapons for Shepard to pick from?[/quote]Because it WAS a trap and they expected to kill him. They didn't expect him to live and thus didn't police their gear.


[quote]ME1 | 23. Opold in Noveria asks you to smuggle weaponry because they check everyone's belongings and shipments for weapons - except Spectres. How was Matriarch Benezia able to carry all that cargo with her when the weapons can be detected (even though the inactive geth can't)?[/quote]Could have gotten weapons once the the Geth were though or even bribed the scanning guards. Also Geth are tech that nobody knows so the scanners probably don't know what a Geth is.


[quote]ME2 | 26. Mordin told Shepard that they made covert drops of the modified genophage on Tuchanka's water supplies and hospitals. What about all the krogan in the rest of the galaxy?[/quote]Do what you can with what you have. Hit the largest population center, its logical. Its also a numbers game. Mordin would have accounted for the number of Krogan outside of Tuchanka and altered the genophage to affect the population there to bring the overall number into accetable limits.

[quote]ME1 | 27. On Therum, if there were so many enemies (including underground), why didn't any of them use the mining laser first to get around the barrier?[/quote]Didn't think about it?


[quote]ME1 | 29. Why did the Thorian attach itself above a seemingly bottomless pit to fall down in?[/quote]Personal preferance. Who knows how they like to "sit down". For instance, why sit on a couch when its easy for someone just to push you off?


[quote]ME2 | 30. The Illusive Man said that an Alliance science team discovered the great rift on Klendagon, but it was a Cerberus team that traced the location of the Derelict Reaper. What happened to the Alliance science team?[/quote]I laughed when I heard this and this is what Immediatly though "and they're all dead" . TiM probably killed them all.


[quote]ME2 | 34. Why didn't the crew test the Reaper IFF near the Citadel fleet? Was there supposed to be some kind of actual multi-squad mission they needed to do?[/quote]Yes, lets test enemy IFF technology around a bunch of automated defense stations and see what happens. Why would Cerberus do anything near the Citadel Fleet? Besides if they thought they would set off a homeing device in the first place they would have been ready for what happened.


[quote]ME1 | 35. Why didn't the Normandy SR-1 just use its Reaper-slaying cannons instead of the Mako in the Ilos ruins the moment they saw Saren walk in?[/quote]Because someone else, maybe the Geth, would continue whatever it was the Saren was up too. Useing small scale weapons allows Shepard to kill him and still be able to see what he was doing or to follow him until he knows and then kill him.


[quote]ME2 | 36. After the Mass Effect core was destroyed in the Derelict Reaper and they floated over to the Normandy (suggesting the Reaper no longer has its own gravity), why didn't they immediately start falling into Mnemosyne instead?[/quote]Normandy's Mass Effect Field would have effected them at that close range.


[quote]ME1 | 37. Why did the Protheans disable the Keepers' reaction to open the Citadel relay instead of disabling the relay portion of the Citadel itself (both the Keepers and the Citadel are advanced technology, after all)?[/quote]Probably did what they could with what they had. They didn't biuld the Citadel after all, the Reapers did, they might not even know how to.


[quote]ME1 | 39. If Turian husks (Saren) have more reach and flexibility than human husks, why didn't Sovereign just convert all the Turians he found?[/quote]"Because the Turian's don't biuld colonies on the edge of the terminus systems". Also he felt he was saying the galaxy, why kill your own people when you don't have too. He's thinking "Lets use the race that I hate". Not only that but not being a council race it makes it easy to beat up on them and if he was to hit more than one race it would cause that race to team up against him too.


[quote]ME1 | 43. If Shepard eliminates the Council and replaces it with a new, all-human Council, why can't Udina and Anderson both be on it?[/quote]"Human lead council" not all Human. Each race only gets one rep and the Alien's would not stand for even more Human dominance.


[quote]ME2 | 44. Why were we forced into joining Cerberus? I wanted to side with the Shadow Broker.[/quote]You might want to but Shepard would not. Lets face it this isn't the RPG of "I do what I want". Its one where you take on the persona of Shepard. We get to add our own personal touch but he is still his own person, and we have to make compromises. Shepard will do what it takes to save humanity, and joining Cerberus will help him do that. Also, how you going to do anything? You're at a Cerberus base with no ship but Cerberus is all like "If you join us, you get the Normany and if you say yes right now we'll throw in Joker for free".


[quote]ME1 | 45. Why were we forced into joining the Council Spectres? I wanted to side with Saren.[/quote]Because then that Reapers destroy all live and you die. Sounds like a fun game to me!


[quote]ME2 | 46. Why are Tali and Garrus (and all the aliens on the ship) more trusting of Shepard working with Cerberus than Ashley and Kaidan?[/quote]Because Cerberus and the Alliance do not get along. Also Cerberus is best known as being a terrorist organization by Humans because they have to deal with their **** all the time. A lot of Alien's probably don't see Cerberus a lot and only go by what they hear. When Garrus and Tali first show up they are actually very suspicious of Cerberus but then Cerberus is like "its cool we want you Aliens to help us out" and the fact that they trust Shepard's Judgement. As fot Ash and Kaiden they servered in the Alliance with Shepard and now he's in Cerberus. Trying serving in the military and tell me how you would react when a squadmate joins the Taliban and says "no its cool, this is for the good of America!".

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[adam_grif]

For Sovereign, all of those plans are heavy risk. Although I kind of like the indoctrinating scientists part.



They should have indoctrinated the Council first - or maybe they already have...

I'm not so sure about it being a heavy risk. Or at least, not as heavy a risk as what Sovereign ended up doing anyway. It's only "risky" if they somehow know that Sovereign is a threat and try to destroy it. When Saren first discovered Sovereign, it was decades prior to the events of ME1. If he had never attacked Eden Prime, nobody ever would have known his motives were less than benign, since he was the Council's star-Spectre.



Anybody who comes aboard is going to get indoctrinated, since none of them know about that. Ergo, anybody sent to study it is going to give it the all-clear, and since it's an "amazing prothean ship", lots and lots of influential people are going to want to get on board to see it. But really, all that needs to happen is for it to dock with the Citadel. The council may be very willing to let this happen, given their blind-trust of Prothean technology (they refuse to even study the keepers!).



****, Sovereign can even talk to people directly if he wants to. Nobody is going to know he's evil unless he starts blowing things up, Well, he might want to use a less intimidating voice than the one he uses in Mass Effect, but still...



He could even feed them a line about how if they let him dock with the Citadel and upload a file onto the Citadel for him, he'll open the gate to where the Protheans went to, so they can be put into contact with them. I'm sure they'd be very interested in that.



The point is, there's basically no need for the ridiculous lengths he went to in the ME games. The Reapers would have easily been here by now had Sovereign decided to take a subtler route, as opposed to freakin' invading places and blowing up colonies. He already had access to the Citadel via Saren!!

I thought it was just a trap that Cerberus passed on?

The distress call was a trap. but the ships really were there. You can even see them in the cutscene where you approach the derilict ship.

[Darth Drago]

ME1 | 35. Why didn't the Normandy SR-1 just use its Reaper-slaying cannons instead of the Mako in the Ilos ruins the moment they saw Saren walk in?

-Simple actually. They only probably had the one shot to do either, drop the Mako or shoot before Geth ships would likely be on the scene. In the case of shooting at them, what if you missed and ended up completely burying the entrance with Saren inside? End of the galaxy. By dropping the Mako you had the best chance to stop Saren. During this scene Joker only had seconds to make any kind of call and since the original plan was to do a Mako drop that is what they went with. Keep in mind by the way, Shepard is in the Mako during this drop run and probably didn’t either see Saren until the last few moment or there wasn’t enough time to change the plan.


ME2 | 28. Why are there mechs and heat sinks in Aeia when Ronald Taylor and crew were stranded there 10 years ago? (commonly asked question)

-Well, I would like an answer to the thermal clip part for sure.

-The mechs however is rather easy since there is no real manufacturing date on when all his mech models were first made. So its possible the ship had some in storage. I just wish they didn’t look like all the other ones we’ve seen in the game.

-Fix: It wouldn’t have killed BioWare to do a simple recolor pallet swap on them? Give them a different color than all the rest we’ve seen would have likely fixed this issue. Maybe even a rusted or worn look. Not have a poorly thought out ammo system in the first place.


ME1 | 21. If Shepard chose to go to the AA Tower, why didn't Saren and the geth just eliminate whoever stayed back at the bomb site and either disable or take the bomb out of the facility?

-Saren admitted that he believed the AA gun group was the main assault and likely didn’t even know about the bomb to consider going after it. However even if he did know why bother anyways? His base is already known about at this point so staying wouldn’t make any sense at all. After Sovereign had its talk with you, it likely told Saren to wrap things up and wait to be picked up. Something that is evident in your fight against him when he is ordered back to Sovereign and suddenly leaves without finishing you off.

-Fix: Having a scene showing that Saren used the beacon there and now knows about Ilos and adding a dialog even with him saying that his research and this base has served its purpose. You see this before the cut scene of your group (shadow) heading off to battle.

[Ecael]

Lots of good posts to read. I'll respond in full to some of them tomorrow once I've managed to get some sleep.

[Alphyn]

So, we can't ask any more questions? I've got a pretty good one...

[Fiery Phoenix]

Incredible thread, Ecael. The pictures in the original post cracked me up, lol!



I'm sure I'll get around to sharing my thoughts soon, though. And let's hope Drew reads this. He does lurk around the forums every now and then.

[Bore u 2 death]

@ Soverign 666



Question 1 - This is probably just a design oversight. Frankly I don't know how else they could be there unless Saren and his Geth brought a bunch of husks still on Dragon's Teeth(maybe staying on the spikes helps preserve them longer) with them to the Citadel. It's not a very good answer, but it's about the best one I can come up with.



Question 2 - If you look carefully you can see subtle differences between them. What is likely the case is that when the skeletal structure is made of the species they are basing the reaper off of, they likely form a sort of carapace based around that structure as a sort of protective layer, and of course add the claw/tentacle things. This would make all the reapers look roughly the same as each other, but none of them look the exact same on the outside.

[Hyper Cutter]

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[quote]ME1 | 9. Why wasn't Shepard suspicious enough to ask Ian Newstead how he managed to get past all the geth in the Feros tunnels? Is the Thorian allied with the geth or something?[/quote]The geth were initially allied with the thorian, iirc. Probably he went down there before they started attacking or something.
[quote]ME1 | 11. If you let Fist live, why didn't the Shadow Broker hire anyone to go after Fist again, or to go after Wrex for betraying him like Fist did?[/quote]Possibly Fist got someone (most likely Harkin) to make him "disappear" before fleeing to Omega.

[quote]ME2 | 16. If Haestrom's sun destroys all shields and Quarian technology - including Legion (but not Grunt's armor) - why are the other geth unaffected?[/quote]Maybe the geth stationed on Haestrom have their shields and other technology tuned to compensate for the effects of Haestrom's sun, while Legion's aren't.
[quote]ME1 | 17. If the Mako can't fire upwards and has limited mobility, why didn't combat drones just hover over the Mako and fire at it from above?[/quote]They pretty much do that, actually. It's real annoying, you have to back up to be able to hit them.

[quote]ME1 | 19. Why didn't Saren destroy the second beacon on Virmire after using it to prevent Shepard from doing the same?[/quote]He probably found it before Eden Prime's, and since he had it ensconced in his secret lab he didn't expect Shepard to ever find it. He probably would have done that during the attack on the base, if he'd realized what Shepard was doing (the dialog implies he doesn't until later)
[quote]ME2 | 20. Why does Maelon mention "Reaper indoctrination" specifically when referring to Mordin's past research when no one knew about it before then?[/quote]I think Reaper indoctrination might be known, just not as such. Garrus refers to the Husks you find in that one mission in ME1 as "machine cultists" (I believe Tali says something similar), which implies those people weren't the first to dig up old Reaper tech and get indoctrinated by it. Maelon could have dug up enough information (via STG resources?) to put those pieces together.

[quote]ME2 | 22. If the Disabled Collector Vessel was a trap by the Collectors, why would they leave behind a large cache of upgraded weapons for Shepard to pick from?[/quote]I imagine they simply overlooked it. The Collectors don't seem to be very smart, and Harbinger probably wouldn't notice or care about a pile of discarded weapons. Presumably they were stripped from people like the soldiers in the corpse pile up the tunnel and left there before the trap was set.
[quote]ME1 | 23. Opold in Noveria asks you to smuggle weaponry because they check everyone's belongings and shipments for weapons - except Spectres. How was Matriarch Benezia able to carry all that cargo with her when the weapons can be detected (even though the inactive geth can't)?[/quote]I assume either she bought weapons on Noveria or simply paid the security to look the other way.
[quote]ME2 | 24. How did they know the Derelict Reaper was 37 million years old, if the Council was incapable of testing any of Sovereign's parts?[/quote]They probably dated either the gun or the Great Rift.

[quote]ME2 | 26. Mordin told Shepard that they made covert drops of the modified genophage on Tuchanka's water supplies and hospitals. What about all the krogan in the rest of the galaxy?[/quote]Since most, if not all, of the krogan women are on Tuchanka, not only would you infect them but any male krogan who come back to attempt to breed. And that's assuming the genophage can't spread between krogan, which it might be able to
[quote]ME1 | 29. Why did the Thorian attach itself above a seemingly bottomless pit to fall down in?[/quote][quote]ME2 | 30. The Illusive Man said that an Alliance science team discovered the great rift on Klendagon, but it was a Cerberus team that traced the location of the Derelict Reaper. What happened to the Alliance science team?[/quote]Nothing, the Great Rift was discovered and described but not investigated much beyond that, and then later a Cerberus team investigated it and traced it to both source and target
[quote]ME1 | 33. If hanar are allowed to roam on the Presidium, where is their Embassy and where is the Hanar Ambassador?[/quote]Probably a little ways up or down the Presidium, with the embassies for the other species (among them presumably the offices of the Councillors, as the human embassy is for Anderson/Udina)

Modifié par Hyper Cutter, 10 juin 2010 - 07:40 .

[Bluko]

Great thread as always Ecael.

Optimism seems to be somewhat lacking around these parts. That's usually a bad sign as I'm a certified Pessimist myself. Anyways staying on topic...


ME1: Why did Saren kill Nihlus? The whole thing kind of blew his cover. Saren could have easily lied saying he was tracking the Geth, etc and just stuck with that being a Spectre.

Explanation: Saren didn't know Shepard would've been there to find out, much less defeat all his Geth. Killing Nihlus at the time seemed like a good way to cover his tracks since Nihlus likely would have been suspicious.

ME2: How does everyone have Shepard's email address?

Explanation: Maybe it's really simple like CmdrShepard@cerberus.com. Or more likely the ExtraNet acts as a phonebook when it comes to email addresses so perhaps people can just look it up?

(Yes I answered my own questions.)

[yuncas]

Pacifien wrote...

Funniest fukin thing ever.

[Ecael]

[quote]Alphyn wrote...

So, we can't ask any more questions? I've got a pretty good one... [/quote]
You can, it's just that it's going to get harder and harder to keep track of all of them from this point on...



[quote]Cain_Novaburn wrote...
[quote]ME1 | 1. Why weren't there geth ships to guard both ends of the Mu Relay (to counter the Normandy's stealth), and how did Joker fly out once they were alerted to their presence?[/quote]There can be many answers to this. We'd have to know what Saren was thinking to actually know the truth but here's a guess. Saren probably wasn't concerned with defending his position because all he wanted to do was use the relay to get to the citadel. He most likely didn't expect Shepard to even be there in time and the fact that he probably knew the Normany had been forrbidden to go into the Terminus systems or maybe he even knew that it was forbidden to leave the Citadel at all.[/quote]
Maybe. I suppose Saren was rather careless (otherwise, the Reapers might have won!). He didn't make much use of his geth armada.

[quote][quote]ME2 | 2. Why didn't the Collectors try to abduct the Normandy SR-1 crew instead of destroy them?[/quote]Or maybe they wanted to capture Shepard himself and didn't know he had jsut left. [/quote]
That's true. They already tried to set up a trap for Shepard the first time, it's not beyond belief that they'd do it again by capitalizing on the Reaper IFF virus.

[quote][quote]ME1 | 3. Couldn't the Turian Councilor accuse Shepard and Tali of pre-recording Saren's voiceprint during the "trial" and modifying it to say what they want (like in Kasumi's DLC)?[/quote]This did cross my mind but Tali grabbed it from a Geth's data core. I'm sure she could provide enough evidance to prove thats how she got it. Also the Quarians created the Geth and it would be hard to dispute the claims of one who really has no incentive to fake it.[/quote]
If I were on the Council, I wouldn't trust a Quarian.

"You Councilors are all racist!"

[quote][quote]ME2 | 6. Why are there dog tags in intact crates on Alchera? Did crew members think that hiding in crates would help them survive?[/quote]Could have ended up under them or the force of the crash could have caused this.[/quote]
Still, those are some tough crates.



[quote][quote]ME2 | 8. Why wasn't Shepard and Jacob more suspicious of the fact that Wilson was in a room by himself with human corpses and a wounded leg?[/quote]Probably thought Mechs did it. Also Jacob knows he worked on Shepard so it wouldn't make sense as to why one of the cheif scientists who brought him back to life would try and kill him. As for Shepard one of the convo options is to say you don't trust either of them so Shepard only trusts him if you want.[/quote]
True. I wish they'd have explained why Wilson would betray Cerberus and Shepard so quickly after working on bringing him back to life for two years.

[quote][quote]ME1 | 13. Why couldn't the geth or Saren just attach explosives to all the elevators in Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos and the Citadel to get rid of Shepard?[/quote]Because then they would being do us a favor. In honesty this one of those things that happens when you read too much into things. If we had to play through all the stuff that Saren would do if this was RL the game would never end and we'd constantly be running into traps and stupid things all the time, making the game less fun.[/quote]
I know, nitpicking at its finest. The best Sovereign could do was shut down the elevator, though!

[quote][quote]ME1 | 15. If the Mako's jets only work for a few seconds, how does it get back to the Normandy without forcing the Normandy to land?[/quote]This one is probably an oversight on their part but still it could be to save fuel/power or maybe even to keep it from overheating. Using it/taking that risk to get to the Normandy is probably worth it. Example: Conserving power or fuel to make sure you can actually do a long burn and make it back to the Normandy at all.[/quote]
Fuel Depots for the Mako... eeek. That's still better than a loading screen, I suppose.

[quote][quote]ME2 | 20. Why does Maelon mention "Reaper indoctrination" specifically when referring to Mordin's past research when no one knew about it before then?[/quote]Its been two years since Shepard and Mordin probably heard rumors about it, even if the council denied it, and decided to persure his own reaserch. Just like Liara put the pieces together to noticed something came after the Protheans to write clean the evidence.[/quote]
True, the writers didn't give a specific time-frame as to when Mordin started and ended their work on the genophage modification (probably on purpose, too!)

[quote][quote]ME1 | 21. If Shepard chose to go to the AA Tower, why didn't Saren and the geth just eliminate whoever stayed back at the bomb site and either disable or take the bomb out of the facility?[/quote]They tired, but you stop them when you go back.[/quote]
They leave immediately after they're done with AA Tower, however. Otherwise, they would have been able to rescue Kaidan/Ashley (whichever one was guarding the nuke).

[quote][quote]ME1 | 23. Opold in Noveria asks you to smuggle weaponry because they check everyone's belongings and shipments for weapons - except Spectres. How was Matriarch Benezia able to carry all that cargo with her when the weapons can be detected (even though the inactive geth can't)?[/quote]Could have gotten weapons once the the Geth were though or even bribed the scanning guards. Also Geth are tech that nobody knows so the scanners probably don't know what a Geth is.[/quote]
Now that I think about it, I wonder how the feral hunters on Jacob's loyalty mission managed to get their hands on so many weapons...

[quote][quote]ME1 | 29. Why did the Thorian attach itself above a seemingly bottomless pit to fall down in?[/quote]Personal preferance. Who knows how they like to "sit down". For instance, why sit on a couch when its easy for someone just to push you off?[/quote]
The Thorian is one heck of a couch potato, then.



[quote][quote]ME2 | 30. The Illusive Man said that an Alliance science team discovered the great rift on Klendagon, but it was a Cerberus team that traced the location of the Derelict Reaper. What happened to the Alliance science team?[/quote]I laughed when I heard this and this is what Immediatly though "and they're all dead" . TiM probably killed them all.[/quote]
Unless Cerberus is still part of the Alliance, in which case the Alliance would leave it to Cerberus to engage in this high-risk mission! *dun dun dun*

[quote][quote]ME2 | 36. After the Mass Effect core was destroyed in the Derelict Reaper and they floated over to the Normandy (suggesting the Reaper no longer has its own gravity), why didn't they immediately start falling into Mnemosyne instead?[/quote]Normandy's Mass Effect Field would have effected them at that close range.[/quote]
Mass Effect fields?!?

In all seriousness, I pointed that out because it seems inconsistent with the "Shepard dies" cutscene during the final mission. Shepard apparently loses the ability to jump during that scene.

[quote][quote]ME1 | 39. If Turian husks (Saren) have more reach and flexibility than human husks, why didn't Sovereign just convert all the Turians he found?[/quote]"Because the Turian's don't biuld colonies on the edge of the terminus systems". Also he felt he was saying the galaxy, why kill your own people when you don't have too. He's thinking "Lets use the race that I hate". Not only that but not being a council race it makes it easy to beat up on them and if he was to hit more than one race it would cause that race to team up against him too.[/quote]
Makes sense. Nihlus-husk would still be awesome!

[quote][quote]ME1 | 43. If Shepard eliminates the Council and replaces it with a new, all-human Council, why can't Udina and Anderson both be on it?[/quote]"Human lead council" not all Human. Each race only gets one rep and the Alien's would not stand for even more Human dominance.[/quote]
I think that's only if you let the Council die as Paragon. If you let the Council die as Renegade, Udina will suggest a fully Human Council.

[quote][quote]ME1 | 45. Why were we forced into joining the Council Spectres? I wanted to side with Saren.[/quote]Because then that Reapers destroy all live and you die. Sounds like a fun game to me![/quote]
I think it would be pretty fun.

[CroGamer002]

ME2 plothole

With that speed won't Reapers need few thousands years to get to galaxy?



ME1 plothole

Why Geth navy were attacking Destiny Ascension instead of protecting Sovereing? Or at least some ships because I only saw one Geth ship around Sovereing.

[BlackyBlack]

ME1 plot hole:

Near the middle of the game, Ashley asks you to celebrate Armistice Day and later when the Normandy gets locked down Charles Saracino in Citadel: Our Own Worst Enemy says Armistice Day is coming soon

[Khayness]

Call me thick, but I've never pondered on those things listed.

I only asked myself that why does Shepard complain about at the beginning that the gun doesn't have a heat sink when he was lucky enough to be dead and not to see them implemented, but thats all.

[Ecael]

BlackyBlack wrote...

ME1 plot hole:
Near the middle of the game, Ashley asks you to celebrate Armistice Day and later when the Normandy gets locked down Charles Saracino in Citadel: Our Own Worst Enemy says Armistice Day is coming soon

You forgot to include an ME2 plot hole.



I heard about that plot hole. I always thought they were celebrating two different dates relevant to Shanxi and the First Contact War.

[BlackyBlack]

Ok then, ME2 plot hole:

Who was Wilson working for? And was it really him that betrayed Shepard?

Modifié par BlackyBlack, 10 juin 2010 - 12:12 .

[CroGamer002]

ME1 plothole
Ashley's grandfather demoted for surrendering Shanxi after long time of guerrilla attacks on Turians.
And many say he got of easy.

That doesn't make any sense.
He should be called goddamn hero for heroism on Shanxi.

Did Alliance get back to being in 18th century?

Modifié par Mesina2, 10 juin 2010 - 03:02 .

[Mister Mida]

Mesina2 wrote...

ME1 plothole
Ashley's father demoted for surrendering Shanxi after long time of guerrilla attacks on Turians.
And many say he got of easy.

That doesn't make any sense.
He would called goddamn hero for heroism on Shanxi.

Did Alliance get back to being in 18th century?

You mean Ashley's grandfather.

[CroGamer002]

Mister Mida wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ME1 plothole
Ashley's father demoted for surrendering Shanxi after long time of guerrilla attacks on Turians.
And many say he got of easy.

That doesn't make any sense.
He would called goddamn hero for heroism on Shanxi.

Did Alliance get back to being in 18th century?

You mean Ashley's grandfather.

How did I forget "grand"?