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[adam_grif]

Michio Kaku classifies time travel as a class II Physical Impossibility - the same as faster-than-light travel.

Unfortunately, Michio Kaku Being Right is a class III physical impossibility.

[Ecael]

ReconTeam wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Weak analogy. Especially with the blatant anachronism.

Michio Kaku classifies time travel as a class II Physical Impossibility - the same as faster-than-light travel.

Thus, technically speaking, being able to go back in time, kidnap cowboys and bring them to the prehistoric era to teach them how to ride dinosaurs is just as likely as finding alien technology on Mars and using it to develop the ability to travel across the galaxy.

We do not know if and when humans will invent the technology to make faster-than-light travel or resurrection possible, but we suspend disbelief in order to enjoy the game. That is why I did not include faster-than-light travel or resurrection in the original thread; if you think about it long enough, neither make any sense in the time-frame given.

2000 years ago, humans started using fossil fuels as a source of energy. Today, the world still relies on it for the majority of their energy consumption. According to the prologue of Mass Effect 1, humans will advance to galactic element-zero-powered FTL travel within the next 170 years, even though we have yet to build or invent anything safe and efficient enough to replace the energy source we started using two millenia ago.

The name Mass Effect is the largest plot hole in the series, yet people ignore it to complain that this or that minor addition isn't possible and that there's no explanation for it.

Right...

Don't try to use all dem smart words on me, all of my analogies are massive steel death machines and anything but weak. There is a line between fiction and craziness. There are all sorts of ideas about how to get to point A to point B in space, trying to pick apart ME's concept based on some nonexistent element is like complaining about the lack of toilet paper on the Normandy.

And what about trying to pick apart ME2's concept based on some nonexistent element?

Yet you have guy who ran out of oxygen, was burnt to a crisp falling through an atmosphere, and upon hitting the ground was probably little more than some charred jelly. TIM may have money, power, and technology, but that is just is just crazy. What I don't get is why Bioware didn't take the more believable route of a 99% dead Shepard being saved instead of some poor ba***** having to scoop pieces of Shepard into a plastic bag on some frozen planet.

Now I am not going to return my copy of ME2, never buy another Bioware game, or "release anthrax into the airvents." I love ME2 regardless. But if you ask me that whole subplot was rather pointless.

That's stretching it a bit - Shepard's body may have suffered a lot of damage from exposure to vacuum and the cold, but Shepard did somehow remain whole on the way down or while in orbit.

They used mass effect fields as the reason the Derelict Reaper was still floating mid-air - perhaps Shepard's suit did something similar.

adam_grif wrote...

Michio Kaku classifies time travel as a class II Physical Impossibility - the same as faster-than-light travel.

Unfortunately, Michio Kaku Being Right is a class III physical impossibility.

Well, it's hard to show that a theoretical physicist is wrong, especially since they speculate on things that are so much later in the future that you'll both be dead by the time it happens.

In other words, you'd need a time machine to check the future out in order to prove Michio Kaku wrong, but if you had a time machine... it would prove Michio Kaku right.

TIME PARADOX!

[adam_grif]

TIME PARADOX!

FISSION MAILED.

[Christmas Ape]

m14567 wrote...
Bringing back someone who sustained Shepard's injuries seems closer to achievable than FTL. Regrowing internal organs and muscles could be achieved in 150 years, the problem is brain and nerve tissue and possibly also muscle memory. Shepard would probably have to learn how to walk, fire guns again. If Shepard is just meat and tubes his brain tissue is probably seriously damaged and that must have some impact on his memory, he'd probably need to learn how to talk again, etc.

I imagine a similar process to what was used in Okeer's krogan was involved in reteaching physical fundamentals like that.
As to personality...maybe you really are just a Cerberus-upgraded Shepard VI running on the most sophisticated mobile platform ever built.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 13 juin 2010 - 11:38 .

[CroGamer002]

Christmas Ape wrote...

m14567 wrote...
Bringing back someone who sustained Shepard's injuries seems closer to achievable than FTL. Regrowing internal organs and muscles could be achieved in 150 years, the problem is brain and nerve tissue and possibly also muscle memory. Shepard would probably have to learn how to walk, fire guns again. If Shepard is just meat and tubes his brain tissue is probably seriously damaged and that must have some impact on his memory, he'd probably need to learn how to talk again, etc.

I imagine a similar process to what was used in Okeer's krogan was involved in reteaching physical fundamentals like that.
As to personality...maybe you really are just a Cerberus-upgraded Shepard VI running on the most sophisticated mobile platform ever built.

VI's are retarded, more like AI.
But I can counter that Shepherd is Shepard in ME2.
Go to Citadel first time and talk to Captain.

Modifié par Mesina2, 13 juin 2010 - 12:52 .

[Christmas Ape]

Mesina2 wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

m14567 wrote...
Bringing back someone who sustained Shepard's injuries seems closer to achievable than FTL. Regrowing internal organs and muscles could be achieved in 150 years, the problem is brain and nerve tissue and possibly also muscle memory. Shepard would probably have to learn how to walk, fire guns again. If Shepard is just meat and tubes his brain tissue is probably seriously damaged and that must have some impact on his memory, he'd probably need to learn how to talk again, etc.

I imagine a similar process to what was used in Okeer's krogan was involved in reteaching physical fundamentals like that.
As to personality...maybe you really are just a Cerberus-upgraded Shepard VI running on the most sophisticated mobile platform ever built.

VI's are retarded, more like AI.
But I can counter that Shepherd is Shepherd in ME2.
Go to Citadel first time and talk to Captain.

Hence Cerberus-upgraded, since Mass Effect AI requires either distributed processing consciousness or an immobile bluebox.
And genetic scanners are kind of pants at synthetic material. Why do you think they needed Shepard's corpse? Genetic samples for scanner-baffling. I imagine some kind of internal tissue culture that transmits cells to external release shunts as needed.
I don't know how much it costs to fake a human, but they've got the money.

[CroGamer002]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

m14567 wrote...
Bringing back someone who sustained Shepard's injuries seems closer to achievable than FTL. Regrowing internal organs and muscles could be achieved in 150 years, the problem is brain and nerve tissue and possibly also muscle memory. Shepard would probably have to learn how to walk, fire guns again. If Shepard is just meat and tubes his brain tissue is probably seriously damaged and that must have some impact on his memory, he'd probably need to learn how to talk again, etc.

I imagine a similar process to what was used in Okeer's krogan was involved in reteaching physical fundamentals like that.
As to personality...maybe you really are just a Cerberus-upgraded Shepard VI running on the most sophisticated mobile platform ever built.

VI's are retarded, more like AI.
But I can counter that Shepherd is Shepherd in ME2.
Go to Citadel first time and talk to Captain.

Hence Cerberus-upgraded, since Mass Effect AI requires either distributed processing consciousness or an immobile bluebox.
And genetic scanners are kind of pants at synthetic material. Why do you think they needed Shepard's corpse? Genetic samples for scanner-baffling. I imagine some kind of internal tissue culture that transmits cells to external release shunts as needed.
I don't know how much it costs to fake a human, but they've got the money.

And reptiles rule Earth.

[BigKahuna25]

one thing that has bothered me is them using the klendagon rift to find both the firing weapon and its target. its a rotating and orbiting body and its star surly would not be stationary so the shot literally couldve come from anywhere. another thing is how could anyone possibly hope to use a giant cannon to shoot something across interstellar distances? you would have a better chance of shooting a gun from the moon and hitting a specific grain of sand on the earth and that would be assuming that the reaper is already dead and immobile around the planet, otherwise it could go anywhere in the years it would take the shot to travel the distance.

Modifié par BigKahuna25, 13 juin 2010 - 03:45 .

[BigKahuna25]

double post

Modifié par BigKahuna25, 13 juin 2010 - 03:44 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I swear I've seen a documentary in which Michio Kaku said, and I quote, "There is no law in physics that prevents time travel."

[Niddy']

Why does Shepard tell the Captain that Saren attacked Eden Prime because of the beacon and not because he hates humans, then turns around and tells the council Saren despises all humans?

[Ecael]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I swear I've seen a documentary in which Michio Kaku said, and I quote, "There is no law in physics that prevents time travel."

When he labels something as a class II physical impossibility, he means that it does not entirely violate the laws of physics, but he predicts it will require - at the very least - thousands of years of technological advancement to acquire the technology as well as harness the energy needed for it. That's assuming direct control humans survive that long, however.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ecael wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I swear I've seen a documentary in which Michio Kaku said, and I quote, "There is no law in physics that prevents time travel."

When he labels something as a class II physical impossibility, he means that it does not entirely violate the laws of physics, but he predicts it will require - at the very least - thousands of years of technological advancement to acquire the technology as well as harness the energy needed for it. That's assuming direct control humans survive that long, however.

LMAO!

I see what you mean, though. Makes sense.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Why do people discuss these awfully minor plotholes usally made for the benefit of the gameplay and they miss out the biggest thing.

They brought a guy back to life!

Am I the only person in the community who's actually realised that's completely impossible?!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Why do people discuss these awfully minor plotholes usally made for the benefit of the gameplay and they miss out the biggest thing.

They brought a guy back to life!
Am I the only person in the community who's actually realised that's completely impossible?!

That's what I am saying. Maybe they could bring back his body, but you can't just reboot the brain like my PC. Maybe you could "reprogram" the brain but the end result would not be the same Shepard.

So TIM would have a brain-dead Shepard who at best could be controlled by some sort of computer to pick up smokes and booze at the nearest store. Hardly worth $4 billion credits.

Bioware talked about "death being final", but apparently throwing money at the problem solves that.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 13 juin 2010 - 10:57 .

[Ecael]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I swear I've seen a documentary in which Michio Kaku said, and I quote, "There is no law in physics that prevents time travel."

When he labels something as a class II physical impossibility, he means that it does not entirely violate the laws of physics, but he predicts it will require - at the very least - thousands of years of technological advancement to acquire the technology as well as harness the energy needed for it. That's assuming direct control humans survive that long, however.

LMAO!

I see what you mean, though. Makes sense.

I still think Earth will turn into Rakhana before we're able to travel outside our solar system...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Why would bringing someone back to life be physically impossible? Of all the things all you'd have to do is find a way to restart the nervous system and find a way around the brain damage. It is far more plausible at some point to be able to reanimate the dead than it is to travel faster than the speed of light.

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Why would bringing someone back to life be physically impossible? Of all the things all you'd have to do is find a way to restart the nervous system and find a way around the brain damage. It is far more plausible at some point to be able to reanimate the dead than it is to travel faster than the speed of light.

Technically speaking, Sovereign has done both - FTL travel with himself and reanimating Saren with his own consciousness.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ecael wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I swear I've seen a documentary in which Michio Kaku said, and I quote, "There is no law in physics that prevents time travel."

When he labels something as a class II physical impossibility, he means that it does not entirely violate the laws of physics, but he predicts it will require - at the very least - thousands of years of technological advancement to acquire the technology as well as harness the energy needed for it. That's assuming direct control humans survive that long, however.

LMAO!

I see what you mean, though. Makes sense.

I still think Earth will turn into Rakhana before we're able to travel outside our solar system...

You know, Ecael, we could discuss this at length, but it'd seriously take us off-topic.

In any case, the thing about space is that it's big. Like, really big. You might as well consider this to be its defining feature. It's a known fact that we've been wonderfully inventive over the last million or so years since we first came to be; if you look forward another hundred years, we may very well have active colonies scattered throughout our Solar System, but it can hardly get past this point. That is, traveling outside our system and to the stars is, let's not say science fiction, but extremely far-fetched by our current technological standards.

As a matter of fact, we do have the technology to take us to Mars today. What we don't have is the technology to make us thrive on Mars, under the extreme conditions and carbon-dioxide-dominated atmosphere. However, as I said above, in a few more decades, we will most likely have said technology, too. But not the technology to take us to the stars; as that would require what we call FTL, which itself is labeled as a number-one physical impossiblity by scientific convention.

[Tooneyman]

Ecael wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Weak analogy. Especially with the blatant anachronism.

Michio Kaku classifies time travel as a class II Physical Impossibility - the same as faster-than-light travel.

Thus, technically speaking, being able to go back in time, kidnap cowboys and bring them to the prehistoric era to teach them how to ride dinosaurs is just as likely as finding alien technology on Mars and using it to develop the ability to travel across the galaxy.

We do not know if and when humans will invent the technology to make faster-than-light travel or resurrection possible, but we suspend disbelief in order to enjoy the game. That is why I did not include faster-than-light travel or resurrection in the original thread; if you think about it long enough, neither make any sense in the time-frame given.

2000 years ago, humans started using fossil fuels as a source of energy. Today, the world still relies on it for the majority of their energy consumption. According to the prologue of Mass Effect 1, humans will advance to galactic element-zero-powered FTL travel within the next 170 years, even though we have yet to build or invent anything safe and efficient enough to replace the energy source we started using two millenia ago.

The name Mass Effect is the largest plot hole in the series, yet people ignore it to complain that this or that minor addition isn't possible and that there's no explanation for it.

Right...

Don't try to use all dem smart words on me, all of my analogies are massive steel death machines and anything but weak. There is a line between fiction and craziness. There are all sorts of ideas about how to get to point A to point B in space, trying to pick apart ME's concept based on some nonexistent element is like complaining about the lack of toilet paper on the Normandy.

And what about trying to pick apart ME2's concept based on some nonexistent element?

Yet you have guy who ran out of oxygen, was burnt to a crisp falling through an atmosphere, and upon hitting the ground was probably little more than some charred jelly. TIM may have money, power, and technology, but that is just is just crazy. What I don't get is why Bioware didn't take the more believable route of a 99% dead Shepard being saved instead of some poor ba***** having to scoop pieces of Shepard into a plastic bag on some frozen planet.

Now I am not going to return my copy of ME2, never buy another Bioware game, or "release anthrax into the airvents." I love ME2 regardless. But if you ask me that whole subplot was rather pointless.

That's stretching it a bit - Shepard's body may have suffered a lot of damage from exposure to vacuum and the cold, but Shepard did somehow remain whole on the way down or while in orbit.

They used mass effect fields as the reason the Derelict Reaper was still floating mid-air - perhaps Shepard's suit did something similar.

adam_grif wrote...

Michio Kaku classifies time travel as a class II Physical Impossibility - the same as faster-than-light travel.

Unfortunately, Michio Kaku Being Right is a class III physical impossibility.

Well, it's hard to show that a theoretical physicist is wrong, especially since they speculate on things that are so much later in the future that you'll both be dead by the time it happens.

In other words, you'd need a time machine to check the future out in order to prove Michio Kaku wrong, but if you had a time machine... it would prove Michio Kaku right.

TIME PARADOX!

I love mochio Kaku.

He trys his best.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Tooneyman wrote...
I love mochio Kaku.

He trys his best.

Indeed. He fascinates me.

[adam_grif]

While we're still on the topic of Kaku, he does some OK physics, but he's way too optimistic about the future, so much so that he's somewhat blinded by it. He's also a media ****, constantly after public attention.



Time travel doesn't explicitly violate physics, except that there's no known way to do it and it screws with causality, which is something your average physicist holds pretty dear. Then FTL = time paradoxes, so...

[Fiery Phoenix]

adam_grif wrote...

While we're still on the topic of Kaku, he does some OK physics, but he's way too optimistic about the future, so much so that he's somewhat blinded by it. He's also a media ****, constantly after public attention.

Time travel doesn't explicitly violate physics, except that there's no known way to do it and it screws with causality, which is something your average physicist holds pretty dear. Then FTL = time paradoxes, so...

Call me an idiot, Adam, but I muchly prefer an optimistic scientist over a fussy, pessimistic one. In fact, that's exactly why I like Kaku and appreciate his thoughts. There aren't many scientists like that today.

And remember, science may set limits to knowledge, but should never set limits to imagination.