My latest character was a bit of a screw-up. Failed Thane, Samara and Tali (handed in the evidence - a hard thing to do), and left Zaeed to die in the mess he created. I don't know if there will be significant changes in ME3 because of this, but at the very least you get to experience a few new cutscenes and a few new dialogue lines in ME2.
As for the topic, it is true what has been said: There is no second chance to secure her loyalty; the Legion dispute will never occur unless both become loyal through their loyalty missions.
Question on Tali's loyalty
Débuté par
Mars Nova
, juin 10 2010 05:07
-
Ce sujet est fermé
Retour en haut
#27
Posté 11 juin 2010 - 03:13
Pacifien
-
- Members
- 11 527 messages
I do greatly look forward to seeing what you get with Ecael's Worst Possible Playthrough for import into ME3.Cyberfrog81 wrote...
My latest character was a bit of a screw-up. Failed Thane, Samara and Tali (handed in the evidence - a hard thing to do), and left Zaeed to die in the mess he created. I don't know if there will be significant changes in ME3 because of this, but at the very least you get to experience a few new cutscenes and a few new dialogue lines in ME2.
#28
Posté 11 juin 2010 - 05:29
KOKitten
-
- Members
- 230 messages
I turned in the evidence in one of my playthroughs and didn't feel bad doing so. In fact, it's the only playthrough in which my character didn't feel dirty for suppressing the evidence.
So the entire crew of the Alerei is dead and that supposedly means they paid for their crimes. Well that's all fine and good but what about their families? Don't their families have a right to know the truth? Aren't they always going to wonder what really happened on that ship?
And shouldn't the citizens know what happened? If the citizens have no idea what happened on the Alerei, what's to stop some other Admiral or ship captain from starting up the same experiments again? Only this time maybe the incident isn't isolated to one ship. The decisions the admirals make affect every member of the flotilla. Don't the people have a right to know what's going on?
What if Garrus's father passed away and it came to light that he had planted evidence during his time as a C-Sec agent. Should they cover that up, too, just because he's dead? What about the people he convicted with that evidence? Where is the line drawn?
If the Admirals didn't want their dirty laundry brought to light they should have kept the Alarei incident discreet and not brought Tali to trial.
So the entire crew of the Alerei is dead and that supposedly means they paid for their crimes. Well that's all fine and good but what about their families? Don't their families have a right to know the truth? Aren't they always going to wonder what really happened on that ship?
And shouldn't the citizens know what happened? If the citizens have no idea what happened on the Alerei, what's to stop some other Admiral or ship captain from starting up the same experiments again? Only this time maybe the incident isn't isolated to one ship. The decisions the admirals make affect every member of the flotilla. Don't the people have a right to know what's going on?
What if Garrus's father passed away and it came to light that he had planted evidence during his time as a C-Sec agent. Should they cover that up, too, just because he's dead? What about the people he convicted with that evidence? Where is the line drawn?
If the Admirals didn't want their dirty laundry brought to light they should have kept the Alarei incident discreet and not brought Tali to trial.
#29
Posté 11 juin 2010 - 07:17
NuclearBuddha
-
- Members
- 16 935 messages
Maybe the families don't want to know their relatives were engaged in something monstrous.KOKitten wrote...
So the entire crew of the Alerei is dead and that supposedly means they paid for their crimes. Well that's all fine and good but what about their families? Don't their families have a right to know the truth? Aren't they always going to wonder what really happened on that ship?
Poor analogy is poor. There are no innocent victims involved here, except Tali. Who you apparently feel good about hurting.KOKitten wrote...
What if Garrus's father passed away and it came to light that he had planted evidence during his time as a C-Sec agent. Should they cover that up, too, just because he's dead? What about the people he convicted with that evidence? Where is the line drawn?
#30
Posté 11 juin 2010 - 07:44
KOKitten
-
- Members
- 230 messages
Ignorance isn't always bliss. Some families may not wish to know but others probably would. If it were me, I would want to know exactly what happened on the ship. Then I could properly deal with it and assist others. Otherwise there will always be nagging doubt. Did the captain do right? Were there illegal experiments? I'd rather know that my relative died doing what he or she thought was right, even though it turned out not to be.
Tali asks you to suppress the evidence of her father's involvements in a war crime. She states that his experiments go against their most sacred laws and would be considered war crimes. I stated this situation would be similar if we discovered evidence that Garrus's father, a C-Sec agent, had committed illegal acts in his job and Garrus had wanted us to suppress that evidence. It's not a poor analogy; it's the same situation. The only difference is that one situation has Tali; the other Garrus.
I don't look kindly on experimenting on sentient beings so I do think there are innocent victims on the Alarei. Maybe some don't think the geth are innocent. Fair enough but it still doesn't make it right to experiment on them. A criminal may be very guilty but it doesn't make it right (legally or ethically) to plant evidence in order to obtain a conviction. More abstractly, I also think there are innocent victims in the flotilla - namely the children of those crewmembers who died on the Alarei due to the experiments.
It has nothing to do with wanting to hurt Tali. Believe it or not, this situation goes way beyond Tali. I don't take pleasure in hurting Tali or the quarians. I really want to say to the Admirals, "See, this is how desperate your situation has become. Stop your infighting and start working together."
Tali asks you to suppress the evidence of her father's involvements in a war crime. She states that his experiments go against their most sacred laws and would be considered war crimes. I stated this situation would be similar if we discovered evidence that Garrus's father, a C-Sec agent, had committed illegal acts in his job and Garrus had wanted us to suppress that evidence. It's not a poor analogy; it's the same situation. The only difference is that one situation has Tali; the other Garrus.
I don't look kindly on experimenting on sentient beings so I do think there are innocent victims on the Alarei. Maybe some don't think the geth are innocent. Fair enough but it still doesn't make it right to experiment on them. A criminal may be very guilty but it doesn't make it right (legally or ethically) to plant evidence in order to obtain a conviction. More abstractly, I also think there are innocent victims in the flotilla - namely the children of those crewmembers who died on the Alarei due to the experiments.
It has nothing to do with wanting to hurt Tali. Believe it or not, this situation goes way beyond Tali. I don't take pleasure in hurting Tali or the quarians. I really want to say to the Admirals, "See, this is how desperate your situation has become. Stop your infighting and start working together."
Modifié par KOKitten, 11 juin 2010 - 08:06 .
