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[Lady Catastrophe]

phaonica wrote...
I think Nathaniel and Loghain look similar, too, but I was afraid to mention it on a Nate gush thread

I thought I was gonna get lynched.

Anyone?
...okay,I'll stop.



Behold the family sneer.

[Relshar]

I like his character was surpprised that he can end up joining you as a Warden.

[Sarah1281]

The VO notes for asking Howe more about Delilah/Thomas's supposed infatuation with you lead me to believe he would not have been pleased about you and Nathaniel although he might have put up with it if he didn't have reason to believe that Cailan would be deposed (I'm a believer that Loghain asked him to take care of Bryce like he took care of Eamon although not, of course, that he expected Howe to massacre them) and thus was willing to risk just outright killing them all.



PC: Your son is interested in me?

Howe: The topic has come up from time to time. The young and their infatuations. (VO: vague dismissal with the wave of a hand. "I raised the topic to distract you and curry favor, so I wasn't expecting to seriously explain it.")

(PC: I got the impression Thomas didn't like me.

Howe: I'm sure that was years ago. People change. (VO: Vauge, waving away any concerns. "I raised the topic to distract you and curry favor, so I wasn't expecting to seriously explain it."))

(PC: I dont' remember returning the interest.

Howe: That speaks to your nature, not ours. I can't say I approve of the freedom youf father allows. (VO: Honest disapproval under proper noble discourse. "If I gave real thought to you dating my child, I disapprove. I don't like how you were raised."))

(PC: It sounds more serious than that.

Howe: Oh, perhaps. I shouldn't speak for my son. His tastes are his own to decide. (VO: Vauge, waving away any concerns. "I raised the topic to distract you and curry favor, so I wasn't expecting to seriously explain it."))

(If not 'I don't remember returning interest:

Howe: To be honest, I have no expectations. And your father seems determined to let you find your own way. (VO: Honest disapproval under proper noble discourse. "If I gave real thought to you dating my child, I disapprove. I don't like how you were raised."))

Howe: If something did happen...well, we'd address it as befits a family of our stature. (VO: Dismissive/knowing "Something wont' happen, and you don't know it, bu t the stature of my family is about to change for the better.")

(PC: Don't hold your breath.

Howe: Your father's permissiveness has made you willful, indeed. It may not always serve you so well. (VO: Disapproving. "Backtalk is unbecoming a noble. Now I odn't feel so bad about my secret plans."))

(PC: I'd like that/We'll see.

Howe: I'm sure. There will be much to discuss once I return. (VO: Vauge, waving away any concerns. "I raised the topic to distract you and curry favor, so I wasn't expecting to seriously explain it."))



I know that VO notes can be misleading as they only say how the lines are to be read and not necessarily the true motivations of the characters but I can't imagine why he'd SOUND so dismissive and disapproving if he were actually in favor of such a match.

[phaonica]

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

phaonica wrote...
I think Nathaniel and Loghain look similar, too, but I was afraid to mention it on a Nate gush thread

I thought I was gonna get lynched.

Maker, that's too much  for me. I have a comparison shot or two myself, but I"ll spare everyone, lol. I was thinking that Nate looked a lot like what I might have imagined Loghain to look like in the Stolen Throne.

[Lady Catastrophe]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I can't imagine why he'd SOUND so dismissive and disapproving if he were actually in favor of such a match.

I think the only reason he could ever be in favour of a match would be some vague sense of power,particularly if Thomas married F!Cousland and therefore carried on the Howe name with the daughter of a well-liked and respected Teyrn.Other than that,I don't think he's actually too keen on the idea.

phaonica wrote...
Maker,
that's too much ../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png for me. I have a comparison shot or two myself, but I"ll spare
everyone, lol. I was thinking that Nate looked a lot like what I might
have imagined Loghain to look like in the Stolen Throne.

Oddly enough,I can picture Loghain looking similar too,if a lot icier.

[Daewan]

If I was a Fereldan noblewoman, I would have slept with the Hero of the Dane River instead of my inbred sadist husband too.

[MelRedux]

I don't care who he looks like (unfortunately, I do agree with all of you).  I just see this ^^

[Addai]

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

phaonica wrote...
I think Nathaniel and Loghain look similar, too, but I was afraid to mention it on a Nate gush thread

I thought I was gonna get lynched.

LOL  I'm a confirmed Loghain hater, but I like young Loghain well enough.  The physical resemblance is obvious, I just was surprised that there might be theories floating around that Loghain was stepping out on his wife.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I know that VO notes can be misleading as they only say how the lines are to be read and not necessarily the true motivations of the characters but I can't imagine why he'd SOUND so dismissive and disapproving if he were actually in favor of such a match.

It makes sense considering who he is and what he's planning.  The sad thing is that he could have gotten what he wanted- more power and prestige- by going precisely this route, i.e. by marrying one of his children to a Cousland.  It seems that he did have such ambitions, since Delilah mentions him haranguing her about "the stuck-up Cousland boy."  He just decides that treachery and mass murder are more fun.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 juin 2010 - 06:58 .

[MelRedux]

Do we know who Loghain's wife is? I never finished The Calling, so I don't know if it was mentioned there.

[Lady Catastrophe]

I think this screenshot kicks ass.

Now,I know a lot of people aren't big on Nate's looks,but I don't see what the problem is.

[Addai]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Do we know who Loghain's wife is? I never finished The Calling, so I don't know if it was mentioned there.

We don't know much about her, just that she was a commoner and liked to garden, she raised Anora pretty much on her own in Gwaren until she died, and Loghain seemed to have been utterly faithful to her if you take his comments about the DR as judge.  Hence my surprise.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 juin 2010 - 07:05 .

[Sarah1281]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Do we know who Loghain's wife is? I never finished The Calling, so I don't know if it was mentioned there.

In the game, Loghain says his wife is Celia, a cabinet maker's daughter.

Also, if you ask Loghain about Alistair as King and then ask why Eamon put him up as a candidate and Loghain blames Eamon's obsession with Theirin bloodline and says he'd never see the daughter of a commoner take the throne (which is when you get the information about Celia if you point out that she's a Teyrn's daughter) and you say that you don't think Eamon would be that petty you get this:
Loghain: No? You might want to wonder, then, how a blood mage ended up employed in his household. (VO: Amused.) How likely is it that only Isolde was aware of Connor's gift? Eamon knew. And he allowed it to be hushed up so the boy could remain his heir. Better that than allowing the arling to go to his childless younger brother, only to pass out of the hands of the Guerrin family altogether.

Loghain's only speculating, of course, and I'm not sure if I believe that but it certainly is something to think about and would explain why he knew Jowan was to blame for his illness is he was so far gone that Isolde was the one making all the decisions about Jowan and about the Urn. Not to mention that I'd rather not think he's that incompetent as to not notice.

[Giggles_Manically]

Eamon does seem like a royalist though, may be one reason he and Loghain didnt get along, or didnt like each other. Ya know beyond the whole poisoning and civil war schtick.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Eamon does seem like a royalist though, may be one reason he and Loghain didnt get along, or didnt like each other. Ya know beyond the whole poisoning and civil war schtick.

I've always gotten the impression that Eamon didn't like Anora, if only for her being Queen, which certainly wouldn't have sat well with Loghain.

[Swoo]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Eamon does seem like a royalist though, may be one reason he and Loghain didnt get along, or didnt like each other. Ya know beyond the whole poisoning and civil war schtick.

I've always gotten the impression that Eamon didn't like Anora, if only for her being Queen, which certainly wouldn't have sat well with Loghain.

True or not he seems to operate under the assumption that she's barren, so that pretty much seals her fate as being undesirable to sit on the throne with anyone of the Therin bloodline in his eyes.

[MelRedux]

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

I think this screenshot kicks ass.

Now,I know a lot of people aren't big on Nate's looks,but I don't see what the problem is.

No, no.  I see no problems there.

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
I know that VO notes can be misleading as they only say how the lines are to be read and not necessarily the true motivations of the characters but I can't imagine why he'd SOUND so dismissive and disapproving if he were actually in favor of such a match.

It makes sense considering who he is and what he's planning.  The sad thing is that he could have gotten what he wanted- more power and prestige- by going precisely this route, i.e. by marrying one of his children to a Cousland.  It seems that he did have such ambitions, since Delilah mentions him haranguing her about "the stuck-up Cousland boy."  He just decides that treachery and mass murder are more fun.

I think it would have made Rendon sick to "rely" on a Cousland marriage to elevate his own house.

[Lady Catastrophe]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

I think this screenshot kicks ass.

Now,I know a lot of people aren't big on Nate's looks,but I don't see what the problem is.

No, no.  I see no problems there.

Good to know my eyes aren't failing me.

phaonica wrote...
I think
it would have made Rendon sick to "rely" on a Cousland marriage to
elevate his own house.

Unfortunately that seems to be what he was aiming for.
He's a twisted man,and that's putting it lightly.Excellently written,though.

[Kryyptehk]

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
I know that VO notes can be misleading as they only say how the lines are to be read and not necessarily the true motivations of the characters but I can't imagine why he'd SOUND so dismissive and disapproving if he were actually in favor of such a match.

It makes sense considering who he is and what he's planning.  The sad thing is that he could have gotten what he wanted- more power and prestige- by going precisely this route, i.e. by marrying one of his children to a Cousland.  It seems that he did have such ambitions, since Delilah mentions him haranguing her about "the stuck-up Cousland boy."  He just decides that treachery and mass murder are more fun.

I think it would have made Rendon sick to "rely" on a Cousland marriage to elevate his own house.

But I think he wouldn't have done it because both the PC and Bryce said it was pretty much a no-go. It seemed to me that Bryce allowed his children to marry for love (Fergus marrying an Antivan), probably because Cailan was already promised to Anora and it was not like they could go up much farther on the Royalty Ladder.

So, I'm willing to bet that Howe had tried to get one of his children married to the Cousland, but it wouldn't fly and he just decided to kill them.

[9985]

*De-lurks*

Kryyptehk wrote...

But I think he wouldn't have done it because both the PC and Bryce said it was pretty much a no-go. It seemed to me that Bryce allowed his children to marry for love (Fergus marrying an Antivan), probably because Cailan was already promised to Anora and it was not like they could go up much farther on the Royalty Ladder.

So, I'm willing to bet that Howe had tried to get one of his children married to the Cousland, but it wouldn't fly and he just decided to kill them.

I was sure it takes more than that for Arl Howe to betray the Couslands. Then again, is there any certainty that he was not unhinged by even a bit at the time of the massacre?

Modifié par 9985, 11 juin 2010 - 08:06 .

[MelRedux]

I think the PC and Bryce think its a no-go because it was Thomas, not becuase he was a Howe. Bryce and Rendon were obviously friends, so I don't think Bryce would ahve a problem with his dughter/son marrying a Howe. But the only information you really get about Thomas is that he drank a lot....he doesn't seem like the ideal candidate.

[MelRedux]

9985 wrote...

*De-lurks*

Kryyptehk wrote...

But I think he wouldn't have done it because both the PC and Bryce said it was pretty much a no-go. It seemed to me that Bryce allowed his children to marry for love (Fergus marrying an Antivan), probably because Cailan was already promised to Anora and it was not like they could go up much farther on the Royalty Ladder.

So, I'm willing to bet that Howe had tried to get one of his children married to the Cousland, but it wouldn't fly and he just decided to kill them.

I was sure it takes more than that for Arl Howe to betray the Couslands. Then again, is there any certainty that he was not unhinged by even a bit at the time of the massacre?

I don't think Kryyp was saying that he killed them because he couldn't marry off his children to one of them.  More like he killed them becuase since a marriage wasn't going to happen, they were useless in his attempt to gain power.  If you can't use them, get rid of them so they don't stand in your way!

edit: And delurkers are always welcome!

Modifié par Mel_Redux, 11 juin 2010 - 08:09 .

[Patriciachr34]

No. I think Howe wanted Highever for himself. Marriage of the children would not have brought HIM the power and prestige he lusted for. He need to posses and control everything himself. If not properly checked, I can imagine him trying to do away with both Loghain and Anora to take the throne himself. Poor Nate. We really can't choose our relatives can we.

[Addai]

Swoo wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Eamon does seem like a royalist though, may be one reason he and Loghain didnt get along, or didnt like each other. Ya know beyond the whole poisoning and civil war schtick.

I've always gotten the impression that Eamon didn't like Anora, if only for her being Queen, which certainly wouldn't have sat well with Loghain.

True or not he seems to operate under the assumption that she's barren, so that pretty much seals her fate as being undesirable to sit on the throne with anyone of the Therin bloodline in his eyes.

He does encourage an Alistair-Anora marriage, however.

Why are we talking about Eamon again?  LOL

Nate!