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[Ponce de Leon]

I'm afraid so. 2 University exams... rarrgh, why don't those folks watch football and decide AFTER it, damn... well, perhaps I'll be lucky if the apartment TV will catch a program or something! I am mostly angry for (see status update) the bus organization... now I have to wake up in 7 hours from now (yep, seven). No internet connection or sport for two long days... Weeell... technically speaking, I could go out to a pub now that I am thinking... but going out alone? Humpf...

[DragonRageGT]

Proof it DID NOT enter!

[Ponce de Leon]

Damn, and to think that other shot was almost convincing. Scandal over, it certainly did not enter.

[Druss99]

Thats convinced me.

[Druss99]

But it wont. Capello is already being blamed. Sky Sports News seem shocked that he hasnt quit. Why should he? I even heard some people blame Eriksson. Until the players are blamed nothing will change. And the players as a whole not just picking one out to be hanged for a few months.

[Ponce de Leon]

Ghana would have still defeated England, but oh well Only solution was to send in the cavalry! (aka Slovenia). Seriously, all attackers of Slovenia are in the German bundesliga. They know the German's weaknesses just as Serbia did (that's why they won to begin with).

[Druss99]

Next week or so will be interesting to see exactly what happens with Capello. They were pretty awful against Slovenia, if they were on form they might have given Germany a decent game but you could see from their first game onwards they were never up for it. Even the game they won they were terrible.

Modifié par Druss99, 27 juin 2010 - 09:50 .

[philiposophy]

There is something seriously wrong with the national side that goes beyond the manager. Under McLaren and Eriksson as well as Capello, this group of players has failed to perform. Something about the set up still hasn't been fixed, because you just don't see players like Rooney show such a poor attitude when playing for Man Utd. Capello made some terrible decisions for this world cup and the players themselves were woeful, but the real problems lie deeper in my opinion.

[Druss99]

I have been saying that for weeks philiposophy. You know I wouldnt be surprised if there was infighting within the team. Trying to squeeze Gerrard and Lampard into the same team is ridiculous.

Lampard normally plays with 2 or 3 other midfielders to help pick up the slack. He doesnt really tackle well, his passing isnt brilliant, he doesnt really create, all he does is find space and shoot. He makes well timed runs into the box but doesnt do alot else.

Gerrard had the team built around his lack of a brain at Liverpool. I would say he is one of the biggest reasons Benitez failed. He is always out of position, gives the ball away far too much and will always try the big "Look at me" shot or pass instead of doing the smart thing. He cant be trusted in midfield or on the wing Benitez had to find a new position for him with no real responsibility. When was he at his best? Playing between Alonso and Torres who carried alot of the slack for him and allowed him to just run around and shoot alot.

So tell me how in the blue hell anyone can fit those 2 into a 4-4-2 while playing them both in midfield? It CANT work. Then you throw Rooney into that who often drops into the same space as them with Gareth Barry who is criminally inept at the top level. The whole midfield is just a big cluster**** infront of defenders who arent good enough on the ball to compensate.

Everyone can see the problems they have been there for years but this is the 3rd manager who hasnt even tried to fix them. I would start asking questions like are England managers told they have to play certain players? Is it because of sponsorship? or are the alternatives so bad that they simply refuse to try and stick with the failure they know?

Modifié par Druss99, 27 juin 2010 - 10:15 .

[philiposophy]

The Lampard/Gerrard problem has been symptomatic of our national team managers failings since 2004, which was the year it became apparent that those two can't play together. I'm not surprised it's a hard choice since they're two of the best in their position in the world. However, no manager has showed the required guts to sort it. They've all tried to play them both and the closest to success was when McLaren brought Barry in. That didn't last too long though. We need a manager to pick players on merit rather than reputation and focus on the team rather than individuals.



That's where Capello failed. He picked Wright-Phillips despite an abysmal season. Never mind Walcott, Adam Johnson was keeping Wright-Phillips out of Man City's team, why couldn't he have been picked? Why was Carragher, who had quit internationals and had a poor season at Liverpool, selected ahead of Gary Cahill? Why play Heskey? Why play both Lampard and Gerrard? Gerrard had a poor year and Lampard had a better, so surely the logical thing would be to give Lampard the key role and balance the midfield out more. It was a lack of balls, basically.



As for the possibility of infighting, I don't know, but players can hate each other and get the job done. It happens quite a lot. I don't know where the flaws really lie but I think the set up just isn't right and hasn't been for a long time. Players under different managers have consistently failed and shown a completely different atttitude. It can't be just the manager and I can't believe the players don't care all of a sudden. There are deep problems and I think the only way we can solve it is to have a full on reconstruction of the national team. There have been too many blunders from all levels in the last few years to let this go on any further.

[Druss99]

Yeah but you have to ask WHY no manager has had the guts to sort it out. Capello is one of the most successful managers in the world. He handled the pressure of Real Madrid, if anyone was going to drop one of them it would surely be him, yet he hasnt. Why? I strongly suspect he is being told certain players have to be in the team because of sponsorship deals.

I agree with you Gerrard should be the one to drop down. Taking Wright-Phillips was a joke, how many quick midgets who cant cross does a squad need? Adam Johnson or Ashley Young should have been in the squad. Bent being left out was a joke too. Carragher going to the world cup after refusing to play in the qualifiers whats that about? Who made that call?
Capello came in with all these promises of taking players on merit. What happened to that? If it was true Gerrard, Carrick, Ferdinand, Terry, Carragher, Heskey, Wright-Phillips, Barry, Defoe and Crouch would be nowhere near the squad. This is the guy who dropped the Real Ronaldo when he was at Real Madrid. Why cant he do the same at England?

If Capello was the man solely responsible for making all those decisions then he probably should be sacked. But I strongly suspect he isn't fully incharge and the players know it.

Modifié par Druss99, 27 juin 2010 - 10:30 .

[Ghost Lightning]

RageGT wrote...

Proof it DID NOT enter!

Ohhhhh, well that explains everything<_<

[philiposophy]

Maviarab wrote...
I don't know, and as Druss and myself have already discussed Philip, its very unlikely there will be a full FA investigation...and if there is, it will be biased, half assed and nothing will change.

Of course. I'm already resigned to that.

To accomplish what I think is required would involve taking a serious look at the FA directors. These are the people after all who have botched contractual negotiations with the last 3 managers and as a result have spent far too much on people who have not delivered. Capello will get a large payoff if he is sacked. Just like McLaren before him. Eriksson did not get a payoff himself but he was paid vast sums for doing very little.

I doubt they'll do anything other than pass the blame to others when they are part of the problem.

[Druss99]

Didnt Eriksson get a huge pay off too? I remember reading about him getting alot of cash long after he had left the post. Just a vague memory though I could be wrong.

Speaking of botched contracts I never thought I would say this but Mark Lawrenson had a point today when he asked why they give 4 year contracts instead of 2 year ones? Why not give a contract until the next tournament if you do well you get a chance at the next one if not then you just part ways.

Its not just the directors that need looked at but the whole set up as you said, something is really wrong there. Right down to grass roots level and youth training. The players coming through are nowhere near as good as other countries, its not just England its the whole of the UK and Ireland. The media needs sorting out too aslong as players like Gerrard, Terry, Lampard and Rooney are being hailed as the best in the world then no progress can be made. Players should be aspiring to be as good as Xavi and Messi not Terry and Gerrard.

Anyways I have done enough ranting tonight lol I must be off to play some xbox. Night all.

Modifié par Druss99, 27 juin 2010 - 11:47 .

[DragonRageGT]

Maviarab wrote...

Here you go...some stats.

Since 1990 (Major Tournaments) we have failed at the group stage twice, failed to even qualify twice and won 2 out of 9 group games.

And thats what annoys me Rage lol....why are we even seeded as a top team? Its all BS, I'm so happy we coming home, now the dismantling of why we self destructed can begin hehe

I understand you Mav, I really do. We sent some pretentious and arrogant bunch to World Cups sometimes too. Still, when the ref whistles it and the ball starts running, we really don't care. We want them to win because it wil take another four years for another chance.

And losing does not mean that problems will be addressed. Well, your own stats record says that.

Brilliant article you posted. Blatter is a moron. And FIFA doesn't have the guts to say that ball was in in their website relate of the match! hehe.. Good old ancient sack of bones in the Board prolly didn't see it too. Because they can't see anything really, dead old eyes.

Germany's third goal would not be scored if they used a spray to keep the barrier still like we do in Brazil for so many years now but let's not go there too. Still, I wish you guys better luck in the future.

[DragonRageGT]

huh.. my comments are not showing in FIFA.com ... it said "after moderation" .. guess moderation there means do not say "FIFA does not know what Fair Play is, since they allow such abhorrent referees' calls to stand". heh

[JRCHOharry]

Good morning. I just read the article you posted Mavi, and I do agree... but I think if the goal had stood it could've changed the way the match went. The commentators during the match were saying how the missed goal would've made the England team stronger and more determined to score. But if I were on the pitch I would be totally demoralized. 'What's the point in trying if the referee might just throw it away again?'. I bet that was going through all the England players minds when that blunder happened.

We wouldn't have won the WC though, we aren't a good enough side. We might have won the Germans though, and I think that would have been the only thing that mattered to us.

EDIT: Good afternoon now

Modifié par JRCHOharry, 28 juin 2010 - 11:12 .