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[MaxQuartiroli]

the_one_54321 wrote...

That doesn't make it any less against the rules. That a manager would get angry with a player for not cheating is something that makes me sad.

When you are a children and you begin to play soccer the first things that your coach learn to you is how to cheat...

How to pretend they did a foul to you, how to provoke your opponent, how to cheat the referee, how to lose time in the final minutes if you are winning a match.. all those nice things which can help you to win a match...

This is soccer, and always will be...

[DragonRageGT]

Stop this against the rules b/s! It is not against the rules. It is very well written IN the fraking rules!

He didn't try to cheat the referee. If he had done it and tried to deny or get away with it like Henry or Maradona did, then you can say unsportsmanlike. What he did is written in the Rule Book of FIFA and it is a very valid action, as long as you take responsibility and pay the price.

As for the "biggest" match of his life... who's to say he'll not be in the one after that? The suspension BY THE RULE is for one match only.

Modifié par RageGT, 02 juillet 2010 - 11:30 .

[the_one_54321]

Well that's why it's really not the sport for me. WC is exciting though.

The steroids thing is a really stupid issue in the US. The players do it because they're afraid to fall behind, but whenever they get caught, all kinds of horrible things are done to them. Trophies gone, stats gone, humiliation in the media. That's a really crappy part of US sports in general. There's just too much money involved is what the real problem is.

edit:

Hold on just a minute, Rage. Are you suggesting that a non-goalie touching the ball with his hands is not against the rules? It either is against the rules or it isn't. Fair play is not "accepting punishment," fair play is not breaking the rules.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 02 juillet 2010 - 11:36 .

[flem1]

RageGT wrote...

As for the "biggest" match of his life... who's to say he'll not be in the one after that? The suspension BY THE RULE is for one match only.

Sure, he'll play in the third-place game against Germany. 

[DLAN_Immortality]

GO URUGUAY GO!!!

Suarez just became my hero! Had not been for him and his handballing!

It's the perfect example of last resort! When all is lost, what will a man do to try to save the day?

I don't know why you people cry over this. He did something wrong and paid for it with a red card and a penalty (as stated by the FIFA rules) that could have costed Uruguay the game.

But then Ghana goes and misses! Hah! It's Ghana's stupidity. Not sad to see them go! Don't miss next time! :-p

Win is win! Way to go! Suarez for man of the match! X-D

Modifié par DLAN_Immortality, 03 juillet 2010 - 12:07 .

[DragonRageGT]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Hold on just a minute, Rage. Are you suggesting that a non-goalie touching the ball with his hands is not against the rules? It either is against the rules or it isn't. Fair play is not "accepting punishment," fair play is not breaking the rules.

Just like stopping a player with a foul is against the rule. Touching the ball with your hand deliberately is no more foul than kicking the opponent in the leg like that Dutch did early in the game. Both are Red Card plays by the book. One got away with it. It is no more foul than a defense hitting the opponent in the arms when he's going clean to the hop.

Now, which sport doesn't have foul? Tennis and Volleyball do not count, of course!

[Kyda]

RageGT wrote...


He didn't try to cheat the referee. If he had done it and tried to deny or get away with it like Henry or Maradona did, then you can say unsportsmanlike. What he did is written in the Rule Book of FIFA and it is a very valid action, as long as you take responsibility and pay the price.
.

And again... here we are...

[the_one_54321]

Yeah ok Rage, I see where you're coming. But I still think that kind of play is lame. Basketball included.

[Kyda]

Maviarab wrote...

He forgot to include Fabiano, Kyda....
I would remind him if I were you

This! Thank you Maviarab

[Fexelea]

Wow what a night!



Uruguay played a good game, and so did Ghana. The save with the hand, to me, demonstrated what I talked about before: when it's crunchtime, you leave everything in the field. You get the red if you have to but you don't let the other team score! Uruguay's team isn't as athletic as Ghana's (or as speedy) but they handle the ball better and know the game better... and when extra time came along they could only hope to hold Ghana off until PKs.

Brazil on the other hand... wtf?! Someone change the coache's name to "Dung". Netherlands played very well and came back with style... But this game they didn't win, Brazil lost.



-- Off topic: Lauron, are you chearing for anyone or you just have target teams you want to see lose? lol

[HoonDing]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

When you are a children and you begin to play soccer the first things that your coach learn to you is how to cheat...

How to pretend they did a foul to you, how to provoke your opponent, how to cheat the referee, how to lose time in the final minutes if you are winning a match.. all those nice things which can help you to win a match...

This is soccer, and always will be...

The secret of southern football finally revealed...

Modifié par virumor, 03 juillet 2010 - 02:26 .

[Noir201]

DLAN_Immortality wrote...

GO URUGUAY GO!!!

Suarez just became my hero! Had not been for him and his handballing!

It's the perfect example of last resort! When all is lost, what will a man do to try to save the day?

I don't know why you people cry over this. He did something wrong and paid for it with a red card and a penalty (as stated by the FIFA rules) that could have costed Uruguay the game.

But then Ghana goes and misses! Hah! It's Ghana's stupidity. Not sad to see them go! Don't miss next time! :-p

Win is win! Way to go! Suarez for man of the match! X-D

Agree Immortality, i couldn't belive when i was at work, when Ghana missed the spot kick, when your gifted that chance to win, you take it, and they failed, i had Uruguay to win anyway

I'm glad Uruguay doing well, might be wrong so correct me if wrong here, they was the first team to win the world cup when it first started wasn't they? Nice to see small teams do well

[RyuGuitarFreak]

virumor wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

When you are a children and you begin to play soccer the first things that your coach learn to you is how to cheat...

How to pretend they did a foul to you, how to provoke your opponent, how to cheat the referee, how to lose time in the final minutes if you are winning a match.. all those nice things which can help you to win a match...

This is soccer, and always will be...

The secret of southern football finally revealed...

As off southern teams didn't do these kind of things

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Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:30 .

[Mister Mida]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

virumor wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

When you are a children and you begin to play soccer the first things that your coach learn to you is how to cheat...

How to pretend they did a foul to you, how to provoke your opponent, how to cheat the referee, how to lose time in the final minutes if you are winning a match.. all those nice things which can help you to win a match...

This is soccer, and always will be...

The secret of southern football finally revealed...

As off southern teams didn't do these kind of things

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If you meant to say 'As if southern teams didn't do these kind of things', then I agree with you.

In the rare occasions that I watch a football game, wether it's league football or an international game, I always get annoyed by the players that try to get a penalty or free shot (however you call that in English) by being a drama queen (overreacting to a foul, provoke the other team, etc.), and every team has at least one such player. It's been part of the game, I have come to accept that. But some of them bring it to a whole another level, like the Portugese team in my opinion. I know I'm not the only one who thinks so because I've seen refs ignore at least fifty percent of the fouls that Ronaldo 'suffers'.

[DragonRageGT]

Kyda wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

He forgot to include Fabiano, Kyda....
I would remind him if I were you

This! Thank you Maviarab

Yeah right. But still, trying to get dominion of the ball with the chest and have it hitting the shoulder/upper arm is not the same as deliberately putting your Hand to the ball as if it were a volleyball match! That was a nice "spike" by Maradona. Who had done a worse foul than Melo on Batista 4 years before and got a red card when they lost 1x3 to you know who.

I'm Fexelea on this. Brazil lost to themselves. What have they drunk in the half time break to come back so different, we'll never know but I'd bet on something of  "Athletes of Christ" cult ritual. I swear it, when Melo tried that heel and lost the ball, like Cerezzo in '82, I saw it coming.

[the_one_54321]

Adriano87 wrote...
I hate every cheater ... I add Suarez to my list

This. Just play the game and stop breaking the rules, please.

[DragonRageGT]

It is official now:

KNOCKOUTS -
Quarter Finals: (20 points for the right result, 40 points for the Perfect Score - Perfect score on a 90 min draw and the right winner grants 60pts!)

Game

58 02/07 - Uruguay 1x1 Ghana - Uruguay advances to the Semi Finals

57 02/07 - Netherlands 2x1 Brazil - Netherlands advances to the Semi Finals

59 03/07 - Germany x Argentina

60 03/07 - Paraguay x Spain

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The Knockouts:

Druss99 has 140 points:
Maviarab has 130 points:
the_one_54321 has 110 points:
Kimosabe0 has 110 points:
RyuGuitarFreak has 100 points:
Cerrydd has 100 points:
JRCHOharry has 90 points:
Adriano has 90 points:
Kyda has 90 points:
Nattfare has 90 points:
Mr HimuraChan has 80 points:
Merci357 has 70 points:
RageGT has 60 points:
Dark-Lauron has 50 points:
Noir201 has 20 points:
Blind Bard has 00 points:

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Aggregate:

Druss99 has 295 points:
Groups: G4+G3+G5(!)+G6(!)+G7+G9(!)+G13+G14+G15+G17+G18+G20+G25+G26+G29+G30
+G31+G32+G33+G34+G36+G38+G39+G44(!)+G46(!)+G47 = (155)
Round of 16: +G49(!)+G50(*)+G51+G52+G53+G54+G55(!)+G56(!) = (120)
Quarter Finals: +G58

Maviarab has 270 points:
Groups: G2+G4+G3+G5(!)+G6+G7+G8+G9+G14(!)+G17+G20+G25+G27+G29(!)+G30+G31+G32+G36(!)
+G37+G38+G39+G44(!)+G46 = (140)
Round of 16:+G49(!)+G50(!*)+G52+G53(!)+G54+G55+G56 = (110)
Quarter Finals: +G58

Kimosabe0 has 255 points:
Groups: G1+G4(!)+G3+G7+G8+G9+G14+G15+G22+G25+G26(!)+G27(!)+G29+G30+G31+G32+G34(!)
+G36+G37+G38+G39+G44+G46+G47(!) = (145)
Round of 16: +G49+G51+G52+G53(!)+G54+G55 = (70)
Quarter Finals: +G57+G58

JRCHOharry has 240 points:
Groups: G3+G6(!)+G7+G9(!)+G14+G15+G17+G19(!)+G20+G22+G25+G27+G29+G30+G32+G33+
G35+G36(!)+G37+G38+G39+G44+G45+G46+G47(!) = (150)
Round of 16: +G49+G50(!)+G52(!)+G53+G54 = (70)
Quarter Finals: +G58

Mr HimuraChan has 220 points:
Groups: G3+G6+G7+G8+G9+G10(!)+G14+G17+G19(!)+G20+G25+G26(!)+G27+G29+G30+G31+G32+G36
+G37+G38(!)+G39+G40+G44+G46 = (140)
Round of 16: +G49+G51+G52+G54 = (40)
Quarter Finals: +G58(*)

RyuGuitarFreak has 210 points:
Groups: G9+G11(!)+G14+G15+G20+G25+G27+G29+G30+G32+G36+G37+G38+G39+G42(!)+G44
+G46(!)+G47(!) = (110)
Round of 16: +G49+G50+G52(!)+G53+G54+G55+G56 = (80)
Quarter Finals: +G58

Merci357 has 190 points:
Groups: G2+G3+G7+G9+G11(!)+G14+G15+G17+G20+G25+G27(!)+G29+G32+G33+G36+G37+G38
+G39+G43+G44+G46+G47 = (120)
Round of 16: +G49+G50+G52(!)+G53+G54+G55 = (70)

RageGT has 190 points:
Groups: G3+G6+G7+G8+G9+G13+G14+G15+G18+G25+G26(!)+G27+G29+G31+G32+G34+G36
+G37(!)+G38+G39+G44+G46+G47(!) = (130)
Round of 16: +G51+G52+G54+G56 = (40)
Quarter Finals: +G58

Adriano has 180 points:
Groups: G14+G17+G19+G20+G25+G27(!)+G29+G32+G36+G37+G38+G39+G44(!)
+G46(!)+G47 = (90)
Round of 16: +G49+G50+G51+G52+G53(!)+G54 = (70)
Quarter Finals: +G57

Cerrydd has 170 points:
Groups: G25+G27(!)+G30+G32(!)+G36+G38(!)+G39+G44(!)+G46+G47 = (70)
Round of 16: +G52+G53+G54(!) = (40)
Quarter Finals: +G57(!)+G58

Dark-Lauron has 170 points:
Groups: G3+G7+G9+G12+G14+G15+G17+G18+G25+G27+G28(!)+G29+G31+G32+G33+G36+G37
+G38+G39+G43(!)+G44+G48 = (120)
Round of 16: +G49+G50+G51+G52+G54 = (50)

Nattfare has 160 points:
Groups: G25+G27+G29+G30+G32+G36(!)+G37+G38+G39+G44(!)
+G45+G46 = (70)
Round of 16: +G51+G52(!)+G53+G54+G55+G56 = (70)
Quarter Finals: +G58

the_one_54321 has 110 points:
Round of 16: +G49(!)+G51+G52+G53(!)+G54+G55(*) = (90)
Quarter Finals: +G58

Kyda has 90 points:
Round of 16: G49+G51+G52+G54+G55(*)+G56 = (70)
Quarter Finals: +G58

Noir201 has 20 points:
Round of 16: +G52+G56 = 20
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Modifié par RageGT, 03 juillet 2010 - 03:08 .

[the_one_54321]

This was not a good day for my point total. But it was a good day for excitement.

[DLAN_Immortality]

LOL ! LOL! Why don't we also add some jail time? XD

I think you obviously don't know much about football, he didn't "change" anything, just go back and watch previous world cups! XD

In football the winners are the ones who take the opportunities, Ghana wasted their deeds. Too bad!

If you want 100% controlled games you need to start watching tennis, because in football you will watch opportunistic people in EVERY match. From faking fouls to hands, kicking and shoving. ALL the teams do it ALL the time in EVERY match. There are no innocent ones who "deserve" to win.

Adriano87 wrote...

He must be banned from playing for 2 years ... he changed the WC by his dishonorable act. Uruguay suck
my Country Team: Iran is obviously stronger than Uruguay and our players don't make such nasty acts.
and Netherlands will make Uruguay regret their nasty Advance

and AS I PREDICTED THE RESULT IS: Uruguay 1x2 Ghana

[DLAN_Immortality]

Adriano: Agreed. They need technology. Blatter needs to retire asap. :-)



By the way, a rethorical question: Do you for a second doubt that Ghana would have done otherwise having been faced with the same predicament? Don't think so... o_o



It's not a matter of which team cheats the most or who gets caught. It's a matter of how the game is conducted.



I think the referee in the last match was spot on. I would have been pissed if Suarez would have gotten away with it (who could forget Maradona in 86...), but he paid in full force as stated in the rules.

virumor wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...



When you are a children and you begin to play soccer the first things that your coach learn to you is how to cheat...



How to pretend they did a foul to you, how to provoke your opponent, how to cheat the referee, how to lose time in the final minutes if you are winning a match.. all those nice things which can help you to win a match...



This is soccer, and always will be...

The secret of southern football finally revealed...

So... you're not european and that's why you haven't been watching the UEFA, right? :-)

I'm not sure if there's a country that cries more than Italy, in any case... :-)