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[EffectedByTheMasses]

I think most people just flame on Miranda's romance because it's different (racier) than all the other, more 'emotional' romances, but at the same time doesn't reach the extent of ME1's romances.

Personally, I like Miranda and I like the scene. Although Shepard does seem a little... uncoordinated.

[Caihn]

It could be better but I don't think it's a joke. After watching the other romance scene, I'm very happy of Miri's scene.

[Ieldra]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...
I think most people just flame on Miranda's romance because it's different (racier) than all the other, more 'emotional' romances, but at the same time doesn't reach the extent of ME1's romances.

Yeah... I'm getting *really* fed up with people saying that her love scene should be as "emotional" as the others. As if passion wasn't emotion. As if we needed yet another romance feeding clichés. I like her romance because it does have these emotional moments in the scenes before (which both Tali's and Jack's romances, BTW, do not have to the same extent), but it also shows their sexual attraction to each other in a way no other maleShep romance does.

Personally, I like Miranda and I like the scene. Although Shepard does seem a little... uncoordinated.

Heh....blame the animators. MIranda's love scene has the most movement in it of all such scenes, I can forgive them for being a little sloppy here and there.

BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juillet 2010 - 06:33 .

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

It could be better but I don't think it's a joke. After watching the other romance scene, I'm very happy of Miri's scene.

QFT.

[Caihn]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

I think most people just flame on Miranda's romance because it's different (racier) than all the other, more 'emotional' romances, but at the same time doesn't reach the extent of ME1's romances.
Personally, I like Miranda and I like the scene. Although Shepard does seem a little... uncoordinated.

To me the other romances are not more emotional. Maybe without the last conversation it could be. But I think the "promise" scene is far more emotional than all other romance scenes.

And I think it's not impossible to have a emotional and a passionate romance in the same time.

[Andaius20]

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...
I think most people just flame on Miranda's romance because it's different (racier) than all the other, more 'emotional' romances, but at the same time doesn't reach the extent of ME1's romances.

Yeah... I'm getting *really* fed up with people saying that her love scene should be as "emotional" as the others. As if passion wasn't emotion. As if we needed yet another romance feeding clichés. I like her romance because it does have these emotional moments in the scenes before (which both Tali's and Jack's romances, BTW, do not have to the same extent), but it also shows their sexual attraction to each other in a way no other maleShep romance does.

Personally, I like Miranda and I like the scene. Although Shepard does seem a little... uncoordinated.

Heh....blame the animators. MIranda's love scene has the most movement in it of all such scenes, I can forgive them for being a little sloppy here and there.

BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

This.

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

Yep. The game's been out for almost six months now and over the past over two thousand two hundred pages we've covered a lot of stuff. I'm betting that there isn't much we've not analysed or discussed, given that 90%+ of those 2200+ pages are horrendously on topic.

Making mountains out of molehills is not going to help - yeah, upon reflection, I'd rather the engine room scene happened somewhere else, but it wasn't all that jarring when I first saw it. When all is said and done, what matters is that Miranda is the only woman in the universe that can keep up with and/or challenge Shepard.
She's not a damsel in distress, doesn't hero worship Shep, she's her own woman. She doesn't need him, but being with him makes them both more than the sum of their parts. If Shepard wants her, he has to earn it, rather than having it flung at him.

This is why I believe Miranda is the only one for Shepard.

[Dr_StrangeLove]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

Yep. The game's been out for almost six months now and over the past over two thousand two hundred pages we've covered a lot of stuff. I'm betting that there isn't much we've not analysed or discussed, given that 90%+ of those 2200+ pages are horrendously on topic.

Making mountains out of molehills is not going to help - yeah, upon reflection, I'd rather the engine room scene happened somewhere else, but it wasn't all that jarring when I first saw it. When all is said and done, what matters is that Miranda is the only woman in the universe that can keep up with and/or challenge Shepard.
She's not a damsel in distress, doesn't hero worship Shep, she's her own woman. She doesn't need him, but being with him makes them both more than the sum of their parts. If Shepard wants her, he has to earn it, rather than having it flung at him.

This is why I believe Miranda is the only one for MY Shepard.

Fixed


I enjoy all the romances while said there in no canon romance everything is defined by preference (which is the fun part about ME series) everyone has one  i think people need to learn to respect that more, on the regards to shepard having to work for it that can be applied to all romances if you step back and think about it for a second,
All romances are done via conversation and action's , you can't have a romance just standing there saying nothing and doing nothing now can you? you have to "work" at it ...if you realy look at it  the romances go with the characters personality Jack's,Tali's,Miri's all sync up with thier personalities..again it boils down to preference and those who enjoy thier's .

(IMO) 

Modifié par Dr_StrangeLove, 17 juillet 2010 - 10:36 .

[nitefyre410]

Ieldra2 wrote...

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...
I think most people just flame on Miranda's romance because it's different (racier) than all the other, more 'emotional' romances, but at the same time doesn't reach the extent of ME1's romances.

Yeah... I'm getting *really* fed up with people saying that her love scene should be as "emotional" as the others. As if passion wasn't emotion. As if we needed yet another romance feeding clichés. I like her romance because it does have these emotional moments in the scenes before (which both Tali's and Jack's romances, BTW, do not have to the same extent), but it also shows their sexual attraction to each other in a way no other maleShep romance does.

Personally, I like Miranda and I like the scene. Although Shepard does seem a little... uncoordinated.

Heh....blame the animators. MIranda's love scene has the most movement in it of all such scenes, I can forgive them for being a little sloppy here and there.

BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

  

Shep was uncoordinated   because Miranda was too much woman for he was a little stunned a first but he got it together.   I always find it funny that both Miranda and Tali both  get him  in a passive position , hell the late pounced on him like he was a Geazel and was her next meal. The Former kinda just pulled a croc roll on him and was on top..  both  great sense for  both  characters.  
 

[Ieldra]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

Yep. The game's been out for almost six months now and over the past over two thousand two hundred pages we've covered a lot of stuff. I'm betting that there isn't much we've not analysed or discussed, given that 90%+ of those 2200+ pages are horrendously on topic.

Making mountains out of molehills is not going to help - yeah, upon reflection, I'd rather the engine room scene happened somewhere else, but it wasn't all that jarring when I first saw it. When all is said and done, what matters is that Miranda is the only woman in the universe that can keep up with and/or challenge Shepard.
She's not a damsel in distress, doesn't hero worship Shep, she's her own woman. She doesn't need him, but being with him makes them both more than the sum of their parts. If Shepard wants her, he has to earn it, rather than having it flung at him.

This is why I believe Miranda is the only one for Shepard.

QFT.

And thanks for posting what clearly bears repeating. It was getting a bit lonely here...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:13 .

[Ieldra]

Just because I feel like it:

[nitefyre410]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

Yep. The game's been out for almost six months now and over the past over two thousand two hundred pages we've covered a lot of stuff. I'm betting that there isn't much we've not analysed or discussed, given that 90%+ of those 2200+ pages are horrendously on topic.

Making mountains out of molehills is not going to help - yeah, upon reflection, I'd rather the engine room scene happened somewhere else, but it wasn't all that jarring when I first saw it. When all is said and done, what matters is that Miranda is the only woman in the universe that can keep up with and/or challenge Shepard.
She's not a damsel in distress, doesn't hero worship Shep, she's her own woman. She doesn't need him, but being with him makes them both more than the sum of their parts. If Shepard wants her, he has to earn it, rather than having it flung at him.

This is why I believe Miranda is the only one for Shepard.

QFT.

And thanks for posting what clearly bears repeating. It was getting a bit lonely here...

    

heh you wanna  lonely trying have a fair a balanced opinion about Miranda, Jacob and T.I.M in other place.. jk 

[jtav]

*reads last few pages* Okay, I can see I've really managed to bother some people. I won't bring it up anymore. Live and let live?

[MassAffected]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW:
It's not flaming that concerns me. Trolls we can always ignore. It's this virus of making too much of flaws that concerns me.

Yep. The game's been out for almost six months now and over the past over two thousand two hundred pages we've covered a lot of stuff. I'm betting that there isn't much we've not analysed or discussed, given that 90%+ of those 2200+ pages are horrendously on topic.

Making mountains out of molehills is not going to help - yeah, upon reflection, I'd rather the engine room scene happened somewhere else, but it wasn't all that jarring when I first saw it. When all is said and done, what matters is that Miranda is the only woman in the universe that can keep up with and/or challenge Shepard.
She's not a damsel in distress, doesn't hero worship Shep, she's her own woman. She doesn't need him, but being with him makes them both more than the sum of their parts. If Shepard wants her, he has to earn it, rather than having it flung at him.

This is why I believe Miranda is the only one for Shepard.

Ah, takes a good post like this to remind me why I romanced Miranda to begin with...thanks man, I should go back and read the OP again. I'm doing my Insanity run in ME1 so Ashley was on my mind, but it looks like she might be getting left with the nuke again

[Ieldra]

@MassAffected:
Indeed. One would think we've talked enough about this that it would go without saying for the foreseeable future, but it seems people need to be reminded.

@jtav:
OK. BTW, I'm still interested in your stories.

And since there are other things that should go without saying, but don't, I'll repost an excerpt from the Miranda Lawson FAQ:

Why do you like Miranda?
There are many different reasons why people like Miranda. Here are some of them. Note that the reasons for liking her as a character may differ from those for being attracted to her for a romance. I've tried to put the list in a descending order of importance, but there is some disagreement about the order, except for (1), which seems to be universal consensus among her fans.
(1) She’s an independently powerful and competent woman who can deal with her problems – professional or emotional – on her own (note: that doesn’t mean she doesn’t appreciate help). She’s the only female LI character who plays in the same league as Shepard. That makes her a perfect companion for him.
(2) She’s morally ambiguous. Black and white types tend to be predictable – and thus, often less interesting than those with grey morality. Her mental flexibility also means that she adapts better to situations where conventional morality just doesn't apply.
(3) She’s emotionally detached... - enough to be fascinating and refreshing, but not so much as to be unlikeable. All too often women in fiction are represented as more or less defined by their emotions. Miranda breaks that pattern. She can be professional; she can be coldly detached or coolly unmovable. She can also be emotional, but she’s not restricted to that.
(4) ...but does warm up to those she respects and trusts. Trust and (professional) respect are interwoven in her relationship to you. Once you've gained them, she becomes more open with you, and you know that's something special.
(5) She’s a “spy with superpowers”. This combination of power and mystery is irresistible to many of her fans.
(6) She's a woman, not a girl. Her grown-up and balanced personality attracts many fans.
(7) She's unapologetically sexual - and not presented as a sl*t because of it (forget the ass shots and pay attention to her behavior if you don't believe it). That's refreshing because more conventional stories like to paint a woman who enjoys sex - to say nothing of sex in engine rooms - in a more negative light. 
(8) She's human. For those who find interspecies romance unconvincing, that’s an important aspect if you want to romance her.
(9) She’s engineered to be perfect. That makes her special in a way you cannot acquire by learning or even character development. While for some, that’s a point of attraction in itself, if you’re a transhumanist you might also be thrilled by the fact that she might be – dare I say it – the genetic destiny of humanity.
(10) She’s beautiful. This point is not as minor as people might want to make themselves believe. It’s not a necessary condition for liking her, but Miranda would be a different character if she were ugly. If you think she's not beautiful, look at these screenshots: pic1 ** pic2 ** pic3

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juillet 2010 - 01:09 .

[jtav]

Now those I can agree with. All ten.

[nitefyre410]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@MassAffected:
Indeed. One would think we've talked enough about this that it would go without saying for the foreseeable future, but it seems people need to be reminded.

@jtav:
OK. BTW, I'm still interested in your stories.

And since there are other things that should go without saying, but don't, I'll repost an excerpt from the Miranda Lawson FAQ:

Why do you like Miranda?
There are many different reasons why people like Miranda. Here are some of them. Note that the reasons for liking her as a character may differ from those for being attracted to her for a romance. I've tried to put the list in a descending order of importance, but there is some disagreement about the order, except for (1), which seems to be universal consensus among her fans.
(1) She’s an independently powerful and competent woman who can deal with her problems – professional or emotional – on her own (note: that doesn’t mean she doesn’t appreciate help). She’s the only female LI character who plays in the same league as Shepard. That makes her a perfect companion for him.
(2) She’s morally ambiguous. Black and white types tend to be predictable – and thus, often less interesting than those with grey morality. Her mental flexibility also means that she adapts better to situations where conventional morality just doesn't apply.
(3) She’s emotionally detached... - enough to be fascinating and refreshing, but not so much as to be unlikeable. All too often women in fiction are represented as more or less defined by their emotions. Miranda breaks that pattern. She can be professional; she can be coldly detached or coolly unmovable. She can also be emotional, but she’s not restricted to that.
(4) ...but does warm up to those she respects and trusts. Trust and (professional) respect are interwoven in her relationship to you. Once you've gained them, she becomes more open with you, and you know that's something special.
(5) She’s a “spy with superpowers”. This combination of power and mystery is irresistible to many of her fans.
(6) She's a woman, not a girl. Her grown-up and balanced personality attracts many fans.
(7) She's unapologetically sexual - and not presented as a sl*t because of it (forget the ass shots and pay attention to her behavior if you don't believe it). That's refreshing because more conventional stories like to paint a woman who enjoys sex - to say nothing of sex in engine rooms - in a more negative light. 
(8) She's human. For those who find interspecies romance unconvincing, that’s an important aspect if you want to romance her.
(9) She’s engineered to be perfect. That makes her special in a way you cannot acquire by learning or even character development. While for some, that’s a point of attraction in itself, if you’re a transhumanist you might also be thrilled by the fact that she might be – dare I say it – the genetic destiny of humanity.
(10) She’s beautiful. This point is not as minor as people might want to make themselves believe. It’s not a necessary condition for liking her, but Miranda would be a different character if she were ugly. If you think she's not beautiful, look at these screenshots: pic1 ** pic2 ** pic3

    


The ones in bold are the ones I agree with most  and I think are what make her a great female character ranking with some of my  fav's including ,  Lighting, Fang(FF 13)  Sheva( RE 5) and the two Female Leads from Uncharted 1+ 2 Elena and  forgot the other womans name. 

[jtav]

You know, I take it back. Maybe I should annoy you guys more often. I've noticed that the more irritable Ieldra gets, the more pics he posts. I like looking at pics, so...

[Titanium Man]

Ieldra2 wrote...
(2) She’s morally ambiguous. Black and white types tend to be predictable – and thus, often less interesting than those with grey morality. Her mental flexibility also means that she adapts better to situations where conventional morality just doesn't apply.

Morally ambiguous, eh?

[MassAffected]

jtav wrote...

You know, I take it back. Maybe I should annoy you guys more often. I've noticed that the more irritable Ieldra gets, the more pics he posts. I like looking at pics, so...

I like playing the game and interacting with her more...

[jtav]

And I've always liked Miranda, even if she drives me crazy occasionally. That has not changed. I don't foresee that changing unless her character seriously goes off the rails in ME3. She remains a fascinatingly complex and compelling woman no matter who she's sleeping with, or if she's sleeping with anyone at all.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
You know, I take it back. Maybe I should annoy you guys more often. I've noticed that the more irritable Ieldra gets, the more pics he posts. I like looking at pics, so...

No need to annoy me, please, just say "I want more Miranda pics". I like posting pictures, but I don't make new ones since I don't play ME2 currently, so there's the 150 I have and there will be no more for some time. They're already repeating themselves. That's why I don't post more.



@Titanium Man:
I don't understand what you want to tell us with that reference.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juillet 2010 - 03:56 .

[jtav]

Thanks Ieldra. I've been going through and saving my favorites. You don't need to convince me that she's beautiful or interesting or simply the best character in the series. There we agree wholeheartedly.