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[Nightwriter]

Miranda's romance is my favorite romance.

Miranda is my favorite LI.

Miranda is my favorite character.

However, I do think the engine room scene needs to be more emotional. There needs to be dialogue. And here's why.

Dialogue engages the player. It creates an important level of interaction between yourself and the game that makes you feel immersed, connected, and in the moment. It heightens the anticipation of the actual moment of sex and hugely enhances the scene overall.

The dialogue should be a statement and a summation about everything that's passed between these two characters and everything that's led up to this moment. What led up to this moment in Miranda's romance was Miranda caring about Shepard against all her better instincts, and her knowing both she and Shepard wanted this even though they shouldn't.

The dialogue should reflect all of this.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Thanks Ieldra. I've been going through and saving my favorites. You don't need to convince me that she's beautiful or interesting or simply the best character in the series. There we agree wholeheartedly.

Nice to hear. I admit I was beginning to wonder after what you've written yesterday.

This picture might not show Miranda in the best lighting (literally, not figuratively), but I bet it's still the most welcome sight for Shepard in the whole game. This is where she pulls him up into the SR2's airlock:



I also like this one, though it's nothing special:

[jtav]

I'm almost afraid to ask: what did I write yesterday?



*saves pictures*

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...

Miranda's romance is my favorite romance.

Miranda is my favorite LI.

Miranda is my favorite character.

However, I do think the engine room scene needs to be more emotional. There needs to be dialogue. And here's why.

Dialogue engages the player. It creates an important level of interaction between yourself and the game that makes you feel immersed, connected, and in the moment. It heightens the anticipation of the actual moment of sex and hugely enhances the scene overall.

The dialogue should be a statement and a summation about everything that's passed between these two characters and everything that's led up to this moment. What led up to this moment in Miranda's romance was Miranda caring about Shepard against all her better instincts, and her knowing both she and Shepard wanted this even though they shouldn't.

The dialogue should reflect all of this.

I think the engine room scene does not only not need dialogue, but in fact would suffer from it. Any dialogue would make the scene lose its focus. It is more immersive without it. Apart from that, everything that needs to be said has already been said - in other scenes. The emotional parts have already taken place and culminate in this scene. Any added dialogue would seem artificial. Nonverbal communication - little movements, the waist hug,  smiles - actually *is* more emotional than words can ever
be, and heightens the anticipation quite a lot more than dialogue. This scene is so much better without spoken words that there is no comparison.

I guess we have to agree to disagree about this.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm almost afraid to ask: what did I write yesterday?

You listed contempt among the things you feel for her.



And that's enough pictures for today.

[jtav]

I do despise her to a degree, and I think the feeling would be mutual. Our ethical systems are diametrically opposed. According to our belief systems, the other shouldn't exist and it keeps going from there.



I thought my love-hate relationship with her was common knowledge?

[MrDavid]

I had an interesting argument with a friend who likes Jack, and hates Miranda.
His argument, Miranda is only kind to certain people, she is prejudiced against anytthing that doesn't benefit her.To everyone else, she's pretty much a ****. He admitted that Jack is mean to everyone but she has a more valid reason given her rough childhood.
My counter argument.
I prefer Miranda in comparison to Tali and Jack. Tali, who acts on the needs of many (willing to be exiled), I felt has more of a crush on Shepard, while she is god-damn adorable, I got the sense that Tali could have fallen in love with almost anybody. Jack on the other hand, is the opposite. She acts for herself, not that I blame her. What I didn't like about Jack was that she seemed more focused on what she would be doing after the suicide mission rather than the mission itself. I didn't feel that someone like that would ever want to rely on someone else. Although I am well aware that by romancing Jack, her personality changes, but I avoided using that fact to make a decision because Shepard has no way of knowing that.
I like Miranda because out of all the other LI's (female one's I mean), her and Shepard are a better match. I will admit, Miranda is quite cold. She has high standards and only cares about something that is relevant. Even though out of all the female LI's, Jack probably needs Shepard the most emotionally, for Miranda, Shepard is the only man she could ever love because both Shepard and Miranda are one-of-a-kind.
Phew, now I'm done.

[nitefyre410]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Miranda's romance is my favorite romance.

Miranda is my favorite LI.

Miranda is my favorite character.

However, I do think the engine room scene needs to be more emotional. There needs to be dialogue. And here's why.

Dialogue engages the player. It creates an important level of interaction between yourself and the game that makes you feel immersed, connected, and in the moment. It heightens the anticipation of the actual moment of sex and hugely enhances the scene overall.

The dialogue should be a statement and a summation about everything that's passed between these two characters and everything that's led up to this moment. What led up to this moment in Miranda's romance was Miranda caring about Shepard against all her better instincts, and her knowing both she and Shepard wanted this even though they shouldn't.

The dialogue should reflect all of this.

I think the engine room scene does not only not need dialogue, but in fact would suffer from it. Any dialogue would make the scene lose its focus. It is more immersive without it. Apart from that, everything that needs to be said has already been said - in other scenes. The emotional parts have already taken place and culminate in this scene. Any added dialogue would seem artificial. Nonverbal communication - little movements, the waist hug,  smiles - actually *is* more emotional than words can ever
be, and heightens the anticipation quite a lot more than dialogue. This scene is so much better without spoken words that there is no comparison.

I guess we have to agree to disagree about this.

 


Theme of the Miranda love scene-  "Words are not enough"   

there are moments when you are  with someone   when at some point words just don't matter.  

[Giggles_Manically]

I liked her a lot, I hated how the camera was all ZOMG Bums and Boobies around her all the time.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I do despise her to a degree, and I think the feeling would be mutual. Our ethical systems are diametrically opposed. According to our belief systems, the other shouldn't exist and it keeps going from there.

I thought my love-hate relationship with her was common knowledge?

I don't know about you, but while I can certainly like one aspect of a character and dislike another one, I can't partly despise someone. Contempt always clouds the whole character. I could never call a character I despise to any degree one of my favorites. That you, as it seems, can do so seems a bit schizophrenic. You pretty much agreed to the whole "10 reasons to like Miranda" I reposted abovethread. Take the item "she's morally ambiguous". According to what you now said, that would have to be no reason to like her.

BTW, why you would not only like, but count among your favorites someone with an ethical system diametrically opposed to yours in the first place is a mystery to me. Among other things, I appreciate Miranda exaclty for her unconventional ethics. Not that I'd agree with all of her decisions, but her opinions are always worth considering. OK, except at the Collector base - there it's better not to listen to her.

I said I wouldn't post any more pictures today, but.... I do hope to inspire some 100% positive feelings towards Miranda...

[Ieldra]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I liked her a lot, I hated how the camera was all ZOMG Bums and Boobies around her all the time.

Welcome, Giggles_Manically (really, do you?)

And yes, we all don't like the camera man responsible for the infamous ass shots.

[nitefyre410]

MrDavid wrote...

I had an interesting argument with a friend who likes Jack, and hates Miranda.
His argument, Miranda is only kind to certain people, she is prejudiced against anytthing that doesn't benefit her.To everyone else, she's pretty much a ****. He admitted that Jack is mean to everyone but she has a more valid reason given her rough childhood.
My counter argument.
I prefer Miranda in comparison to Tali and Jack. Tali, who acts on the needs of many (willing to be exiled), I felt has more of a crush on Shepard, while she is god-damn adorable, I got the sense that Tali could have fallen in love with almost anybody. Jack on the other hand, is the opposite. She acts for herself, not that I blame her. What I didn't like about Jack was that she seemed more focused on what she would be doing after the suicide mission rather than the mission itself. I didn't feel that someone like that would ever want to rely on someone else. Although I am well aware that by romancing Jack, her personality changes, but I avoided using that fact to make a decision because Shepard has no way of knowing that.
I like Miranda because out of all the other LI's (female one's I mean), her and Shepard are a better match. I will admit, Miranda is quite cold. She has high standards and only cares about something that is relevant. Even though out of all the female LI's, Jack probably needs Shepard the most emotionally, for Miranda, Shepard is the only man she could ever love because both Shepard and Miranda are one-of-a-kind.
Phew, now I'm done.

  

To be honest the thing that pushed me   towards was the Miranda/Jack fight. I was  just feed up with both  Miranda and Jack.    Reason i was feed about it  was because the fight was just juvenile it was a weak cover just to have the human female LI hate each other and I was like 'Come on this is not High school."       

[Ieldra]

MrDavid wrote...
I like Miranda because out of all the other LI's (female one's I mean), her and Shepard are a better match. I will admit, Miranda is quite cold. She has high standards and only cares about something that is relevant. Even though out of all the female LI's, Jack probably needs Shepard the most emotionally, for Miranda, Shepard is the only man she could ever love because both Shepard and Miranda are one-of-a-kind.

Yep, she and Shepard are a perfect match. But I don't agree she's cold. She wants to keep her distance, and when Shepard asks intrusive questions about 10 minutes after having met her, he gets a well-deserved rebuff. I do like that a lot, and think it's too bad she loses that attitude so fast.  

[jtav]

I like that ambiguity because it makes her more interesting as a character and it's as a character that I appreciate her. It's only when I attempt to transpose her to the real world that I realize we'd hate each other. It's the same kind if "like" I have for Xanatos or most of the cast of A Song of Ice and Fire. I enjoy watching them and analyzing them and occasionally grieve for them or even cheer for them. But I'm profoundly glad I don't have to deal with them on a day to day basis.

[Giggles_Manically]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I liked her a lot, I hated how the camera was all ZOMG Bums and Boobies around her all the time.

Welcome, Giggles_Manically (really, do you?)

And yes, we all don't like the camera man responsible for the infamous ass shots.

Hi to all the Miranda fans and yes I do like Miranda. Sadly she falls behind Mordin and Legion as my absolute faves.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I like that ambiguity because it makes her more interesting as a character and it's as a character that I appreciate her. It's only when I attempt to transpose her to the real world that I realize we'd hate each other. It's the same kind if "like" I have for Xanatos or most of the cast of A Song of Ice and Fire. I enjoy watching them and analyzing them and occasionally grieve for them or even cheer for them. But I'm profoundly glad I don't have to deal with them on a day to day basis.

Were Miranda real, I'd still find her extremely interesting, and I'd probably like her at the same time as being a bit wary of her at first. But I wouldn't want to have a relationship with her even were there the least chance of it - too stressful and demanding.
As for A Song of Ice and Fire, I can see why you say that. GRRM has a habit of making many characters interesting and appreciable but flawed in a way that you'd prefer not to meet any of them in a dark alley. With a few exceptions.... I have a favorite character there as well. Venture a guess?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juillet 2010 - 07:39 .

[Crunchyinmilk]

nitefyre410 wrote...
... the fight was just juvenile it was a weak cover just to have the human female LI hate each other and I was like 'Come on this is not High school."

I didn't like the fight all that much the first time either, what you hear of it any way. I try to keep in mind that you walk in well after the fight has started.

Its obvious Jack went to Miranda looking for a fight and Its not hard to imagine that Miranda doesn't take criticism any better than she does praise. You just don't hear everything that was said to get them to that 'juvenile' state.

The real weakness of the fight (to me) is that it occurs after visiting Pragia, when Jack has supposedly put it all behind her and you've just blown up a Cerberus asset.

If they'd put the argument between Miranda and Jack at the start of Jack's loyalty mission, before you shuttle down to the facility, it would have been better.





This is the look Miranda gives Shepard when they've just got done casually arranging cold blooded murder with Garrus. Not much phases her does it, Jack must have really gotten under her skin.

Modifié par Crunchyinmilk, 17 juillet 2010 - 07:46 .

[nitefyre410]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
... the fight was just juvenile it was a weak cover just to have the human female LI hate each other and I was like 'Come on this is not High school."

I didn't like the fight all that much the first time either, what you hear of it any way. I try to keep in mind that you walk in well after the fight has started.

Its obvious Jack went to Miranda looking for a fight and Its not hard to imagine that Miranda doesn't take criticism any better than she does praise. You just don't hear everything that was said to get them to that 'juvenile' state.

The real weakness of the fight (to me) is that it occurs after visiting Pragia, when Jack has supposedly put it all behind her and you've just blown up a Cerberus asset.

If they'd put the argument between Miranda and Jack at the start of Jack's loyalty mission, before you shuttle down to the facility, it would have been better.





This is the look Miranda gives Shepard when they've just got done casually arranging cold blooded murder with Garrus. Not much phases her does it, Jack must have really gotten under her skin.

   


^^^ this ones agrees with these words. that fight was just weak sauce all the way...  and really annoyed me

[jtav]

Ieldra, I give up. The only thing I can figure is that you probably hated Ned. Tyrion's my personal favorite though the only one I really hate is Ceresi. Littlefinger is thoroughly despicable and completely awesome at the same time.

[Pacifien]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, I give up. The only thing I can figure is that you probably hated Ned. Tyrion's my personal favorite though the only one I really hate is Ceresi. Littlefinger is thoroughly despicable and completely awesome at the same time.

I pop into the thread and see this post and all I can think is "Curses! I missed Song of Ice and Fire discussion!"

Anyway... I think I had something to say about Miranda, but now I've forgotten what that was.... Oh wait, I was going to mention why I like her loyalty suit color more than the default, which is that I've noticed the white color is what tends to accentuate her many curves. That gets muted somewhat when you change the color and texture.

My feelings about Miranda are in an odd place. I think I understand her character well enough. I don't hate her. I don't dislike her. I'm not indifferent to her. But I can't say that I like her. She is like that coworker that you have no problem with, you might even work well together, but you don't go out for a beer at the end of the day. I think of her as an acquaintance, I suppose. Not in a bad way.

[jtav]

We've already established my feelings toward Ms. Lawson are complicated. Contempt, fascination, pity, admiration, fear, even attraction. Though do let me know if I cross a line in my posts. Sometimes I get a little to comfortable here, as evidenced by yesterday. Though I do like that some of us have different OTPs and they still involve Miranda.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, I give up. The only thing I can figure is that you probably hated Ned. Tyrion's my personal favorite though the only one I really hate is Ceresi. Littlefinger is thoroughly despicable and completely awesome at the same time.

Arya's my favorite - I wonder if she'll really become the avenging shapechanging ninja. I also like Daenerys. Don't recall Ned much, I remember I considered him stupid, which was a reason for mild dislike.
Ah...one can only hope GRRM overcomes his writer's block and gets to finish it all....

And for posting something on-topic, I'll take the easy way out and post another picture before I leave for the night.

[Pacifien]

Why do you think she was in charge of the Lazarus Project specifically? Is it because she was actually one of the Illusive Man's most trusted agents, so he put her in charge of the most important of his projects? Was it because he realized she shared his strong belief that Shepard had to survive at all costs? (Though her reaction to Shepard before Freedom's Progress puts this in doubt for me.) Is her expertise, aside from information gathering, specifically in the medical field? Is it because he felt her demands for nothing but the best out of a team would suit keeping the Lazarus Project at the top of its game at all times?

[Pacifien]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Arya's my favorite - I wonder if she'll really become the avenging shapechanging ninja. I also like Daenerys. Don't recall Ned much, I remember I considered him stupid, which was a reason for mild dislike.
Ah...one can only hope GRRM overcomes his writer's block and gets to finish it all....

As long as GRRM does not go the way of Robert Jordan... (I know GRRM hates it when people point out he'll die before the series is finished, though. )

I like Eddard Stark. I will like him more now because he will be Sean Bean in the Game of Thrones series.

[nitefyre410]

ummm... what are you guys talking about?