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[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...


I think the engine room scene does not only not need dialogue, but in fact would suffer from it. Any dialogue would make the scene lose its focus. It is more immersive without it. Apart from that, everything that needs to be said has already been said - in other scenes. The emotional parts have already taken place and culminate in this scene. Any added dialogue would seem artificial. Nonverbal communication - little movements, the waist hug,  smiles - actually *is* more emotional than words can ever
be, and heightens the anticipation quite a lot more than dialogue. This scene is so much better without spoken words that there is no comparison.

I guess we have to agree to disagree about this.

It seems we must.

Because no dialogue might be okay, if not for the coy sex-heavy comments in the elevator, which set the tone for the whole scene and express no emotional meaning whatsoever.

The scene needed some meaningful dialogue to offset the damage that did.

If the scene jumped right from the "promise me you won't die" hug straight to the engine room, it might be different. Lack of dialogue might be okay. But this wasn't the case.

Meh, don't mind me. I've always had issues with this.

[Nightwriter]

Pacifien wrote...

Why do you think she was in charge of the Lazarus Project specifically? Is it because she was actually one of the Illusive Man's most trusted agents, so he put her in charge of the most important of his projects? Was it because he realized she shared his strong belief that Shepard had to survive at all costs? (Though her reaction to Shepard before Freedom's Progress puts this in doubt for me.) Is her expertise, aside from information gathering, specifically in the medical field? Is it because he felt her demands for nothing but the best out of a team would suit keeping the Lazarus Project at the top of its game at all times?

Why, yes. I think all of these had something to do with it. How convenient you listed them all for me ahead of time!

Also Miranda mentions her genetic modifications were why Cerberus hired her, and why the Illusive Man put her in charge of bringing you back and making sure you succeed.

[jtav]

Forget it. No sense igniting tempers again. I think we've established that there's not a perfect overlap between people who like Miranda's character and people who like her romance. Maybe it's better if we don't discuss what we don't like about any given pairing and concentrate on what we do, at least for a while. So, if you guys don't mind me waxing rhapsodic about Miranda/Liara or Miranda/Thane, I certainly don't mind :wub:over the actual canon romance.

Modifié par jtav, 18 juillet 2010 - 01:46 .

[Nightwriter]

Are you telling me not to start a flamewar?

But the flame hypnotizes me.

[jtav]

I'm telling myself not to.

[nitefyre410]

jtav wrote...

Forget it. No sense igniting tempers again. I think we've established that there's not a perfect overlap between people who like Miranda's character and people who like her romance. Maybe it's better if we don't discuss what we don't like about any given pairing and concentrate on what we do, at least for a while. So, if you guys don't mind me waxing rhapsodic about Miranda/Liara or Miranda/Thane, I certainly don't mind :wub:over the actual canon romance.

  


Man the more I think about Miranda/Thane the more I like that  pairing. Its such a good idea for a pairing. also I just watched 2012 and I got some inspiration at  about a theme of the Mass Effect story center around not saving the galaxy but  just finding a way to survive. Funny thing about it was that  all the survivors some how end up on Earth after this event. It just an Idea nothing concrete yet. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 18 juillet 2010 - 03:41 .

[Andaius20]

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Why do you think she was in charge of the Lazarus Project specifically? Is it because she was actually one of the Illusive Man's most trusted agents, so he put her in charge of the most important of his projects? Was it because he realized she shared his strong belief that Shepard had to survive at all costs? (Though her reaction to Shepard before Freedom's Progress puts this in doubt for me.) Is her expertise, aside from information gathering, specifically in the medical field? Is it because he felt her demands for nothing but the best out of a team would suit keeping the Lazarus Project at the top of its game at all times?

Why, yes. I think all of these had something to do with it. How convenient you listed them all for me ahead of time!

Also Miranda mentions her genetic modifications were why Cerberus hired her, and why the Illusive Man put her in charge of bringing you back and making sure you succeed.

I think her most important qualifications for the job were these:
(1) Knowledge and experience in the life sciences - and considering they were breaking new ground, I think it's not restricted to human medicine and genetics. Also, while it's never mentioned it's plausible she would be interested in the field, because of her own modifications.
(2) She has TIM's trust. As far as he trusts anyone.
(3) She's a good coordinator.
(4) She's ambitious and always aims for perfection.

I don't think her genetic modifications played a role, except that - assuming she learns faster than other humans - they make it easier for her to meet the requirements.

[TheKillerAngel]

I have a small request - could somebody provide a clear, full body image of Miranda in her default costume from the front? I need to use it as a reference for a piece I'm working on. For an idea of the pose, here's my sketch layer:







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I saw that someone uploaded high quality renders taken from a 3D modeling program. If one could be done for me I'd be super grateful. It doesn't have to be high quality on the shaders and textures - I'm mostly interested in referencing the armor and figure details.

[Ieldra]

The closest I have is this one...sorry about the red, this is a modded one, but only the color has changed.



I've tried to make a full-length in-game shot myself, but it's extremely difficult to get the lighting right so that Miranda looks good. Full-length cutscene shots from the front are very rare.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juillet 2010 - 06:40 .

[Andaius20]

Sorry but thats the only one I have that remotely fits the bill.

[Ieldra]

Here's another good one. It's surprisingly difficult to find clear shots of her including her feet...

[Andaius20]

The only ones I can think of are the opening CGI scenes with TIM maybe.

[Ieldra]

Here are two more from the intro. I tried to get a full shot including her feet, but there she's too far away from the camera so the resolution is bad.

[Caihn]

A new wallpaper :

[jtav]

I'm saving a couple of these shots for the next time someone argues her hair is black instead of dark brown. I have the same shade, so it's really annoying.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm saving a couple of these shots for the next time someone argues her hair is black instead of dark brown. I have the same shade, so it's really annoying.

It appears black in almost all screenshots. That it appears dark brown in very bright light only shows that it's not perfectly black. So, while technically, you're correct, since only perfect black is black, it's really so dark it might as well be called black. Which is true, btw, for almost all people with black hair.

BTW, I recall that officially, it's black.... I'll try to find the reference.

[jtav]

Maybe I need to reclassify my own hair color then. Same almost-but-not-quite black. So I'm a little biased when I say she has great hair.



I've been reading the ME Wild Mass Guessing page on TVTropes. There are some theories I really want to be true and some that give me a reaction of "Oh, dear God, no." Particularly the notion of Mr. Lawson as a sort of Lazarus Long who intended his daughters for an incestuous relationship. Although there is something profoundly creepy about a father deliberately designing his daughter to look as Miranda does, I don't think he's quite as depraved as all that. "First one he kept" and psychological abuse are enough to push him into Complete Monster territory. I don't need sexual abuse as well.

[Ieldra]

You needn't be biased to say Miranda has great hair. She has.



Where do you find that page, btw. I never noticed something like that. And I agree about Miranda's father. That would move him into the "so evil it's unbelievable" category.

[Pacifien]

jtav wrote...
I'm saving a couple of these shots for the next time someone argues her hair is black instead of dark brown. I have the same shade, so it's really annoying.

Well, no one actually has black hair. Get a strand of hair from someone who seemingly has black hair and put it under the microscope, you'll find it's actually brown.

My own hair appears pitch black for the most part, but if I'm standing in the glaring sun, people will discover it really is brown.

[Pacifien]

Ieldra2 wrote...
You needn't be biased to say Miranda has great hair. She has.

Where do you find that page, btw. I never noticed something like that. And I agree about Miranda's father. That would move him into the "so evil it's unbelievable" category.

I'll have to amend my earlier statement when I said I didn't dislike Miranda. Because I bet she has that sort of hair that requires no effort to get it to look good. Take a shower, run a comb through it, and it has that perfect bit of sheen, flow, volume. I hate her! I hate people like her! No one should automatically have great hair!

I've always wondered why Mr. Lawson was so adamant that his children be female. Incestuous future? That's pretty dark. If Miranda ever got that vibe (and she seemed to be old enough when she ran away that such a relationship would be an issue), I can see why should would do anything in her power to rescue to her sister.

Interesting that he hasn't seemed to develop other children after Orianna. If he did, I would have bet anything Miranda would have rescued them, too.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You needn't be biased to say Miranda has great hair. She has.

Where do you find that page, btw. I never noticed something like that. And I agree about Miranda's father. That would move him into the "so evil it's unbelievable" category.

Here Scroll down to the section on Miranda, Jack, and human biotics. I don't deny there are real people that evil, but there's a point in fiction where if a character undergies too much trauma (particularly offscreen) I become to emotionally exhausted to sympathize.

Just check. The art book refers to it as black. I stand corrected.

[Nightwriter]

We discussed that at some length in my character discussion group actually, Pacifien.

I think he might feel that daughters would be easier to control, but I think the real reason is that daughters can be artificially inseminated with whatever genes he desires (remember she says he wants a dynasty). Whereas for a son to bring him children the son would have to sleep with a woman, which will produce a child that will now have part of that woman's genes. And his dynasty would be diluted.

It plays into his power that he is in full control of how his grandchildren come out.

Btw, if we were looking for specifics of the emotional trauma of Miranda's upbringing, just think what it would be like knowing your ultimate fate was to be artificially inseminated with your father's sperm.

Now we can all have a family type bonding moment where we all vomit as one.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 18 juillet 2010 - 03:58 .

[jtav]

My own Wild Mass Guessing theory (unsupported, but I like it) is that Lawson created a third daughter after the Battle of the Citadel, using the basic Miranda/Oriana template but tossing in some of Shep's DNA. S/he's the best humanity has to offer, after all. So, there's already a Shep Jr. running around. I can imagine a Shep who romanced Miranda feeling conflicted because here's a twisted version of what he wants--a child with her.

[jtav]

Speaking of TVTropes, Miranda has finally been listed under Antihero. I am a happy camper, though I know Ieldra disagrees with that classification.