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[jtav]

I wonder what her usual casual attire is? We see her out of uniform briefly in Redemption.

[DurkBakala]

So.....Anyone else here literally had a tug over Miranda?.....

I've had quite a few...

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

I wonder what her usual casual attire is? We see her out of uniform briefly in Redemption.

This one ?



I like it.

[jtav]

That's the one. Looks great. Love her jacket.

[Andaius20]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Then, Thelacan, I'd suggest avoiding 'jokes' about serious physical assault and forced prostitution because they aren't funny. Consider this - how would you feel if people started making exactly the same 'jokes' about exactly the same things happening to Tali? Outraged? Pissed off?

Do you get what I'm saying here?

XD it happen everyday a million times....we ignore it and don't troll others threads.....

[Andaius20]

Pokes Jtav

[jtav]

Interesting bit of discussion in the Tali thread. How much does Miranda like aliens? She speaks approvingly of the STG (if she were more enthusiastic, I'd call her a fangirl) and seems almost contemptuous of those who join Cerberus out of simple xenophobia. She also talks about how much humanity can learn from the asari. Her understanding of human advancement seems to be "take the best ideas from every species and use them." I can see her having extremely close friends of other species. If we're willing to disregard biology and accept xenophilia as the fairly unremarkable thing that it seems to be in the ME universe, then yes I can see her getting romantically involved with one.

[Collider]

I agree with that jtav. Although she wants the human race to rival the others, I don't think she has any actual dislike of them. Why - well for one thing we don't have any indications that Miranda has had trouble with other races in any degree.

[jtav]

Andaius20, I type extremely slowly. It takes a while for me to respond to things, even if I'm using speech recognition software.

[Goat_Shepard]

Wouldn't TIM question her motives?



And picturing her with Thane made me lol

[Collider]

TIM does not give a rat's ass.

[Andaius20]

I always see her a "Using" the others species as tools or examples for the betterment of Humanity. Like from my point of view on her she like STG so much because it's the same as Cerberus freedom to complete the goal set however you think it right or necessary. The other stuff she, to me hold up as if they can do it humans can do it, or do it better! type of thing.

While yes she's not Xenophibic, and will gladly work with aliens, it's always to the goal of Cerberus' betterment of humanity. Be that better organizational methods (STG) or models for galactic empire (Asari culture) it can all ultimately be used to make humanity better. She uses them as benchmarks for humanity to beat.

Thats atleast how I see her working things.

Modifié par Andaius20, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:17 .

[Collider]

I've never gotten the impression ever that she's been using or wants to use other species. Really, there' nothing I've seen that indicates that. Cerberus may want to, but we know that Miranda does not really know everything Cerberus does and for most of the game is in denial.

[Andaius20]

She knows all about the experiments they did. She talked plenty on how "using" the Creeper to make shock troops would save human lives and "using" rachni as well. In the comics I definately got the impression TIM along with Miranda was using Liara and her relationship with Shepard to get things done.



I think she definitely does the "benchmarking" thing though.

[jtav]

I don't consider wanting to learn from other species to be "using." I definitely don't get the sense that she's pushing for a human empire.



Andm Goat, the appeal of Miranda/Thane is very simple for me. She makes Shepard promise not to die in the romance. What happens when she falls for someone who cannot make that promise?

[Goat_Shepard]

*Pokes Jtav*

[Pacifien]

Based on Miranda's comments on the Collector Base, I think reading what Cerberus does on paper versus actually seeing an atrocity up close changes her perspective a bit. You can forgive a lot when you're not directly involved in it.

[Andaius20]

tehehehe

[Goat_Shepard]

jtav wrote...
Andm Goat, the appeal of Miranda/Thane is very simple for me. She makes Shepard promise not to die in the romance. What happens when she falls for someone who cannot make that promise?

She makes him promise not to die? Like so?
And yes I suppose that's quite interesting, almost FF worthy

Pacifien wrote...
Based on Miranda's comments on the Collector Base, I think reading what Cerberus does on paper versus actually
seeing an atrocity up close changes her perspective a bit. You can forgive a lot when you're not directly involved in it.

You're right, but there has to be a certain level of comfortability. Because horrible things on paper are still horrible.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:32 .

[jtav]

And she defends the rachni experiments by saying they were abandoned once Cerberus knew they were working with sentient creatures. Which implies that she agrees that experimenting on intelligent creatures is wrong.

[Andaius20]

Pacifien wrote...

Based on Miranda's comments on the Collector Base, I think reading what Cerberus does on paper versus actually seeing an atrocity up close changes her perspective a bit. You can forgive a lot when you're not directly involved in it.

I also agree with that, being with Shepard on the base does change her. But it didn't slow her down previously in her quest for retrieving Shepard. (I only have  the first issue of the comics so don't know all her is doning in that.) I always placed her not as hardline as TIM but still fairly hardcore in her Cerberus beliefs however.  Maybe because she never did work closely with aliens and see first hand some of the stuff that Cerberus does or wants to so.

However quite a few people here think Miri's flip flop in the Collector base is OOC for her. Personally I would have thought if you didn't make her loyal and ignored or harrassed her for the mission she would have followed TIM's orders. She would have the resign speech if you helped her out.

[Goat_Shepard]

jtav wrote...

And she defends the rachni experiments by saying they were abandoned once Cerberus knew they were working with sentient creatures. Which implies that she agrees that experimenting on intelligent creatures is wrong.

"You're usually all business, nice to see there's a person under there".




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@Andaius
Perhaps...it would have been nice.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:37 .

[Andaius20]

jtav wrote...

And she defends the rachni experiments by saying they were abandoned once Cerberus knew they were working with sentient creatures. Which implies that she agrees that experimenting on intelligent creatures is wrong.

However they only stopped because Shepard found and destroyed the bases. Do you think she would tell the same story if he didn't do that? I think she woudl stick with the "they can save human lives!" line. She says it was wrong, and maybe she truely thinks it's true but she would make up a nexcuse to make it right if Cerberus was still doing it I think.

Also comes down to Cerberus being kinda wonky. They set up "insane" unethical projects set brutal timetables for there completion and seeming are shocked that there hand picked team does horrible torturous things to get results.  Aere the ysaying it wrong because they failed or because it's unethical? With TIM it's more along the "because it failed" then because it's unethical. TIM doesn't lie in that reguard he tells you the ends justify the means no matter what.

[MassAffected]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

*Pokes Jtav*

This image scares me...

[Andaius20]

I know, one of the things I didn't like about ME2's companion relationship outcomes is you never have a Wrex style situation. Everyone just bow's to Sheps will. Would have been cool to see a hardline Miri try to stop you from blowing up the base forcing you to kill her or talk her down. Or even having a psychotic Jack try to off Miri during the end run mission.