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[awpdevil]

www.youtube.com/watch -Jtav.

I'm sorry, I had to... LOL.

[Caihn]

Valmy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Valmy wrote...
This is not my final final of ME2 though since all the DLC is not out yet.

I have to finish my canon playthrough, and after that, only a very good DLC (or maybe an alternate outfit for Miri) could make me start a new playthrough.

Nah the final final playthrough must go through all content.  Even Pinnacle Station.

By the way that freaking DLC ruined my hardcore runthrough.  Trying to do the Timed and Hunt settings on Hardcore is impossible....well maybe not impossible but really really really really hard.

It's possible.  
It took me hours, but I did it.

[jtav]

Ha, ha. Actually, my feeling in the romance have remained pretty consistent for the last six months or so. It's hard for anything to trump Kaidan, Thane, and Liara for me.

[kraidy1117]

Yannkee wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Valmy wrote...
This is not my final final of ME2 though since all the DLC is not out yet.

I have to finish my canon playthrough, and after that, only a very good DLC (or maybe an alternate outfit for Miri) could make me start a new playthrough.

Nah the final final playthrough must go through all content.  Even Pinnacle Station.

By the way that freaking DLC ruined my hardcore runthrough.  Trying to do the Timed and Hunt settings on Hardcore is impossible....well maybe not impossible but really really really really hard.

It's possible.  
It took me hours, but I did it.

Pinnacle Station is a blight.

[Valmy]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Pinnacle Station is a blight.

One advantage: after you complete it the rest of the game seems even easier than it did before.

Seriously though ME1 is ridiculously easy once you level up a bit.

[Caihn]

 

[Arhka]

Valmy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Valmy wrote...
This is not my final final of ME2 though since all the DLC is not out yet.

I have to finish my canon playthrough, and after that, only a very good DLC (or maybe an alternate outfit for Miri) could make me start a new playthrough.

Nah the final final playthrough must go through all content.  Even Pinnacle Station.

By the way that freaking DLC ruined my hardcore runthrough.  Trying to do the Timed and Hunt settings on Hardcore is impossible....well maybe not impossible but really really really really hard.

Try it on insanity. Hunt is so freaking annoying, but knowing that you just pwned it via endless sniping makes it all worthwhile.

[jtav]

I'd love to know how Miranda and Niket met. They appear to be childhood friends and close in age, but he's from a different class. Why would they come into cotact, given that Mr. Lawson is so controlling?

[awpdevil]

Maybe his family were servants of some kind.

[ToshiStation38]

Valmy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Valmy wrote...
This is not my final final of ME2 though since all the DLC is not out yet.

I have to finish my canon playthrough, and after that, only a very good DLC (or maybe an alternate outfit for Miri) could make me start a new playthrough.

Nah the final final playthrough must go through all content.  Even Pinnacle Station.

By the way that freaking DLC ruined my hardcore runthrough.  Trying to do the Timed and Hunt settings on Hardcore is impossible....well maybe not impossible but really really really really hard.

Yep. It ruined my Insanity playthrough. I still haven't gotten the Insanity achievement.

[Nightwriter]

awpdevil wrote...

Maybe his family were servants of some kind.

I considered this as well. Or perhaps Niket's father was an underling in Miranda's father's business who rose to higher status and became a poor man turned socialite.

Playing back over the game, I can't say I like how Miranda treats Joker after the crew gets taken. She was way harsh.

[kraidy1117]

Nightwriter wrote...

awpdevil wrote...

Maybe his family were servants of some kind.

I considered this as well. Or perhaps Niket's father was an underling in Miranda's father's business who rose to higher status and became a poor man turned socialite.

Playing back over the game, I can't say I like how Miranda treats Joker after the crew gets taken. She was way harsh.

She was pissed.

[jtav]

It didn't bother me much, mostly because I think she's masking a healthy dose of terror and is about two seconds away from a nervous breakdown because she's been forcibly reminded that the crew probably is going to doe. This includes her. She's always known, but now the knowledge is no longer merely theoretical. So she gets angry.

[LuxDragon]

Not to mention the fact that the mission was a hair's breath away from going pear shaped.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Sorry to pop in. It's Miranda related....

From the FemShep thread...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

kraidy1117
wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Love your sig,
AFW.

I wanted a Miranda loves Femshep [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Hehe.
Only FemShep's LIs (and Kelly) have such a sig. I thought about it, but
thought that would mean another dozen or two sigs (in red and blue). It
was too much work for relatively a small interest. Sorry.

I was told that there were already discussions going on about the "Liara
loves FemShep" sig. There was a hidden message in there: Liara can only
love FemShep. Or something like that. Hehe. They probably never saw all
the other variations I've made. People really got upset about that and
even created a "Liara loves my FemShep" sig. Hehe.

I know about the Liara thing, only liara loves femshep! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] but
the Miri thing is a little joke because alot of us wanted Miri to be a
romance for femshep.

In that case I'll create one tonight.

For those of you who are interested here are the sigs.





And yes, they are meant as a joke. If you can't get the joke then try some fresh air before replying.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 juillet 2010 - 03:10 .

[kennyv217]

 Yvonne Strahovski is an amazing actress and she is so gorgeous. I love Chuck hehe. Check out this video of her. Skip to 1:12 to hear the cutest thing ever.



"Oh, no, no, no, I don't Know!"

[nitefyre410]

[quote]Ieldra2 wrote...

[quote]jtav wrote...
*snip* 
(Yeah, it seems we're going to argue about this forever )[/quote]   


Oh I can  see you point about the  interspecies relationships  I thinking the appearance of the alien love interest is only a small part of the equation. What  I would like to see what would be more of the Socialogical(sp)  difference between for instance a Human Male and Quarian female.   Each  would  approach romance  from different  ways, we so see those differences. 

[Caihn]

kennyv217 wrote...

 Yvonne Strahovski is an amazing actress and she is so gorgeous. I love Chuck hehe. Check out this video of her. Skip to 1:12 to hear the cutest thing ever.



"Oh, no, no, no, I don't Know!"

Love it.
But I already knew this video.
I also like when Zachary is making fun of Yvonne's accent.

Modifié par Yannkee, 21 juillet 2010 - 08:09 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm not sure when my final game of ME will be. I want to finish my current Renegade MaleShep and two versions of my "canon" FemShep, one with the Thane romance and one without.

I played my main femShep (who remained single throughout ME1) with the Thane romance, but I'm not quite comfortable with it so I might end up with two versions as well. The only problem is that this is my Insanity playthrough, and I'd like to keep it at Insanity. Repeating the Collector Base for a "forked" ending where Thane dies in one version will be difficult. Maybe my Infiltrator will become my main femShep instead - who would like to renew her relationship with Kaidan, is mostly Paragon but made two Renegade decisions at the ends of ME1 and ME2.

The MaleShep is causing me some mild concern because he's a violent Renegade who I hope dies in ME3. He's sort who would hand over the evidence at Tali's trial or have Renegade sex with Jack. Miranda deserves better, but he's also not the sort to stay faithful either.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie] I'm tempted to say no wonder you don't like the Miranda romance if this is what Miranda gets in your games...

My only Renegade is a Cerberus follow femShep. While she's not as bad as yours, she thinks Cerberus is right and, for instance, has left David in the care of his brother on Aite and given Legion to Cerberus for research. I had planned to have only Miranda and Jacob survive the Collector base with her, but my planning was based on slightly wrong information, and Jack (!!) survived as well. I wonder what that will bring in ME3.

As for ME1, I think I'm done with it. I'd like to keep Kaidan alive in more games (back then, I didn't like Kaidan and found Ashley more useful anyway, so he didn't often survive), but those Shepards have all finished ME2 and I don't want to repeat both games yet again just for one decision. 

[Ieldra]

andysilv87 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Valmy wrote...
This is not my final final of ME2 though since all the DLC is not out yet.

I have to finish my canon playthrough, and after that, only a very good DLC (or maybe an alternate outfit for Miri) could make me start a new playthrough.

I still have about 9 playthroughs that I need to finish ready for ME3. I need to stay single on 4/5 of them too which is always a tough playthrough. Just feels so lonely and sad.

You need to say single in five playthroughs? Why that? ME1 has only three romances, four if you count Liara twice.

[Ieldra]

ElectricZ wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
From that viewpoint: what I would have liked to see is an interspecies romance that is actually a challenge to the human perspective, with an alien who's recognizably non-human in both mindset and appearance, so that a romance is not just a matter of "dem hips" or suchlike, but attraction needs to find another carrier. Or a romance where you're going to be surprised in a rather unpleasant way, for instance if the "asari mind control" hypothesis turned out to be true, and in reality the asari looked really strange. OK, that would create a whole bag of other plausbility problems, but you get the idea...
(Yeah, it seems we're going to argue about this forever )

Of course it's not just limited to romance, but any kind of interaction. Most aliens in SF are humanoids with funny shaped heads. It just naturally makes it easier for us to empathize with them as people... Just look at Avatar, where every animal on the planet has six limbs but the Na'vi are basically tall thin blue people with really big eyes. Hard sci-fi where the aliens are, well, alien just isn't as popular.

Don't get me started about Avatar. That was the disappointment of the year. I don't think I have ever seen a film where so much technical brilliance was thrown at so cheap a story.

As for empathizing: we can empathize with a number of non-human species on Earth, why shouldn't we empathize with non-humanoid aliens? The funny thing is that aliens with a humanoid shape - walking on two extremities, having two others for manipulating things, a head with sensory organs located high up and near the brain - aren't that implausible. The silliness starts in the details - from facial contours immediately recognizable as "human female" on the asari to breasts on asari and female quarians. But as I said, we don't need these details to empathize. The same, btw, for the social aspect: It's very plausible that a species that built a technological civilization is a hypersocial one just as the human species is, so systems of ethics at least comprehensible to a human, if not necessarily compatible to prevalent systems in human societies, are also plausible. Given the advantages of sexual reproduction it is also plausible that such a species knows sexual attraction in some way, though actual reproductive cycles and processes may appear strange. So, making the SF a bit harder does not necessarily mean removing any functional and morphological similarities between humans and aliens. What it would mean, however, is to be a bit more inventive with the actual details in appearance,  ethics and reproductive processes, which would hide the functional similarities. The asari would actually be rather interesting in this, were the "asari mind control hypothesis" true. 

I can only think of two mainstream examples off the top of my head. One was a Star Trek TOS episode called Metamorphosis where a shipwrecked human was saved by an energy being who kept him alive for companionship... And when he found out the energy being actually had feelings of love for him, he was at first disgusted and agreed to help destroy the creature so he could escape. But it's an example of two completely different species coming to love one another even though they are so fundamentally different. (Though it does cheese up the whole deal by eventually allowing the energy creature to take human form. Cop out!)

Another good example is Solaris. The book can be a bit of a chore, and both versions of the movie can be offputting, but it also delves into humans trying to relate to an incomprehensible alien being. Are they studying us? Trying to communicate with us? Or do the interactions with humans simply create the replicas of their loved ones as a byproduct? None of those questions are ever answered, and even the replicas produced doesn't know why they're there. The remake of the movie deals explicitly with a human who falls in love with one of the replicas. But the story centers around humans trying to make contact with an entity that is so different that understanding each other just might be impossible.

I hardly consider "Solaris" mainstream, though it is known by many.

Of course all that might be too much to expect for what's really an interactive sci-fi/action movie, but I'd never put it past Bioware to give it a shot.

It's already established in the ME universe that interspecies sex is the norm rather than an exception. Adding interesting non-humanoids would be nice, but couldn't correct the impression that everyone is a xenophile. The rule of sexy has won over good sense yet another time. Why am I not surprised? I don't know if I'm ever going to finish it, but I have a story in my mind, with a few paragraphs written, where humanity is denied a place in the galactic community because the humans' excessive focus on sex makes them unreliable. Earth is placed under quarantine until such a time when this "insanity" (the galactic community's term) will be cured. 

So, forgive me for this long off-topic post, but at least it was about romance, if not Miranda's. I count myself fortunate that my favorite character and favorite LI in the ME games is a human (for both femShep and maleShep) and I don't have to break my brain trying to suspend my disbelief for a romance with a non-human.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2010 - 10:43 .

[Caihn]

If there isn't a good DLC in the next few months, I will maybe play my Fshep save.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'd love to know how Miranda and Niket met. They appear to be childhood friends and close in age, but he's from a different class. Why would they come into cotact, given that Mr. Lawson is so controlling?

I like to believe that Miranda was very inventive at escaping the tight control her father tried to keep over her life, even as a child. But it's more plausible that Niket's parents worked for Miranda's father. Hmm....what if Niket's father was actually one of the people who helped Miranda's father implement his schemes. Is this interesting or too much of "everything is connected"?

[Caihn]

The thread is too quiet today, Miri is sad.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
If there isn't a good DLC in the next few months, I will maybe play my Fshep save.

You haven't played a femShep through ME2 yet? Why that?

As for this thread being quiet, it's much too hot to think clearly. Also, it's been almost hectic a few days ago, but I'd rather not have another thread war.

And for something completely different...