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[Andaius20]

Meet Miranda Shepard, she also has blue eyes. She says play Femshep!

[nitefyre410]

Yannkee wrote...

 

   

Nitefyre Approves  +17 

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If there isn't a good DLC in the next few months, I will maybe play my Fshep save.

You haven't played a femShep through ME2 yet? Why that?

Because of Miri. I'm not sure I want to play ME2 without her romance.

[nitefyre410]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If there isn't a good DLC in the next few months, I will maybe play my Fshep save.

You haven't played a femShep through ME2 yet? Why that?

  

  



Dude femshep is awesome I just finished my first  Femshep play through.  Its likea different character with Jennifer Hale's voice acting ability.   

Mark  Merr  is meh  <_<

Because of Miri. I'm not sure I want to play ME2 without her romance.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 21 juillet 2010 - 01:23 .

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The MaleShep is causing me some mild concern because he's a violent Renegade who I hope dies in ME3. He's sort who would hand over the evidence at Tali's trial or have Renegade sex with Jack. Miranda deserves better, but he's also not the sort to stay faithful either.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie] I'm tempted to say no wonder you don't like the Miranda romance if this is what Miranda gets in your games...

Actually, Miranda got either a Paragon or Paragade who treats her like gold both times I did her romance. I'm trying to solve the RP dilemma without subjecting her to him. Maybe I'll decide he takes an odd sort of interest in Jack instead. Haven't finished her romance yet. Tali's also needs to be done. I finally got around to seeing it on Youtube and liked it a bit better than Miranda's. Am I allowed to say that after the other day?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

The MaleShep is causing me some mild concern because he's a violent Renegade who I hope dies in ME3. He's sort who would hand over the evidence at Tali's trial or have Renegade sex with Jack. Miranda deserves better, but he's also not the sort to stay faithful either.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie] I'm tempted to say no wonder you don't like the Miranda romance if this is what Miranda gets in your games...

Actually, Miranda got either a Paragon or Paragade who treats her like gold both times I did her romance. I'm trying to solve the RP dilemma without subjecting her to him. Maybe I'll decide he takes an odd sort of interest in Jack instead. Haven't finished her romance yet. Tali's also needs to be done. I finally got around to seeing it on Youtube and liked it a bit better than Miranda's. Am I allowed to say that after the other day?

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I find this incomprehensible. Let's keep it at that.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ElectricZ wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
From that viewpoint: what I would have liked to see is an interspecies romance that is actually a challenge to the human perspective, with an alien who's recognizably non-human in both mindset and appearance, so that a romance is not just a matter of "dem hips" or suchlike, but attraction needs to find another carrier. Or a romance where you're going to be surprised in a rather unpleasant way, for instance if the "asari mind control" hypothesis turned out to be true, and in reality the asari looked really strange. OK, that would create a whole bag of other plausbility problems, but you get the idea...
(Yeah, it seems we're going to argue about this forever )

Of course it's not just limited to romance, but any kind of interaction. Most aliens in SF are humanoids with funny shaped heads. It just naturally makes it easier for us to empathize with them as people... Just look at Avatar, where every animal on the planet has six limbs but the Na'vi are basically tall thin blue people with really big eyes. Hard sci-fi where the aliens are, well, alien just isn't as popular.

Don't get me started about Avatar. That was the disappointment of the year. I don't think I have ever seen a film where so much technical brilliance was thrown at so cheap a story.

As for empathizing: we can empathize with a number of non-human species on Earth, why shouldn't we empathize with non-humanoid aliens? The funny thing is that aliens with a humanoid shape - walking on two extremities, having two others for manipulating things, a head with sensory organs located high up and near the brain - aren't that implausible. The silliness starts in the details - from facial contours immediately recognizable as "human female" on the asari to breasts on asari and female quarians. But as I said, we don't need these details to empathize. The same, btw, for the social aspect: It's very plausible that a species that built a technological civilization is a hypersocial one just as the human species is, so systems of ethics at least comprehensible to a human, if not necessarily compatible to prevalent systems in human societies, are also plausible. Given the advantages of sexual reproduction it is also plausible that such a species knows sexual attraction in some way, though actual reproductive cycles and processes may appear strange. So, making the SF a bit harder does not necessarily mean removing any functional and morphological similarities between humans and aliens. What it would mean, however, is to be a bit more inventive with the actual details in appearance,  ethics and reproductive processes, which would hide the functional similarities. The asari would actually be rather interesting in this, were the "asari mind control hypothesis" true. 

I can only think of two mainstream examples off the top of my head. One was a Star Trek TOS episode called Metamorphosis where a shipwrecked human was saved by an energy being who kept him alive for companionship... And when he found out the energy being actually had feelings of love for him, he was at first disgusted and agreed to help destroy the creature so he could escape. But it's an example of two completely different species coming to love one another even though they are so fundamentally different. (Though it does cheese up the whole deal by eventually allowing the energy creature to take human form. Cop out!)

Another good example is Solaris. The book can be a bit of a chore, and both versions of the movie can be offputting, but it also delves into humans trying to relate to an incomprehensible alien being. Are they studying us? Trying to communicate with us? Or do the interactions with humans simply create the replicas of their loved ones as a byproduct? None of those questions are ever answered, and even the replicas produced doesn't know why they're there. The remake of the movie deals explicitly with a human who falls in love with one of the replicas. But the story centers around humans trying to make contact with an entity that is so different that understanding each other just might be impossible.

I hardly consider "Solaris" mainstream, though it is known by many.

Of course all that might be too much to expect for what's really an interactive sci-fi/action movie, but I'd never put it past Bioware to give it a shot.

It's already established in the ME universe that interspecies sex is the norm rather than an exception. Adding interesting non-humanoids would be nice, but couldn't correct the impression that everyone is a xenophile. The rule of sexy has won over good sense yet another time. Why am I not surprised? I don't know if I'm ever going to finish it, but I have a story in my mind, with a few paragraphs written, where humanity is denied a place in the galactic community because the humans' excessive focus on sex makes them unreliable. Earth is placed under quarantine until such a time when this "insanity" (the galactic community's term) will be cured. 

So, forgive me for this long off-topic post, but at least it was about romance, if not Miranda's. I count myself fortunate that my favorite character and favorite LI in the ME games is a human (for both femShep and maleShep) and I don't have to break my brain trying to suspend my disbelief for a romance with a non-human.

human preoccupation with sex is uncurable: it pretty much what drives our species 99% time...

avatr didn't have the most complex of stories - go and see something like inception if you want that, but cameron pushed the boundaries in so many other areas, it's often better to have one touchstone that the audience can easily connect with, besides it wasn't that bad, just not original.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If there isn't a good DLC in the next few months, I will maybe play my Fshep save.

You haven't played a femShep through ME2 yet? Why that?

Because of Miri. I'm not sure I want to play ME2 without her romance.

Actually, playing a femShep is the only sufficient reason to play a game without romancing Miranda. I'm rather glad they didn't make Miranda a femShep LI option, because then I'd never have played a game with another romance, except as an experiment

[jtav]

I enjoy playing FemSheps. I prefer Hale's VA and Kaidan, Thane, and Liara ar my favorite romances (as distinct from favorite character--Miranda, Mordin, and Legion top them there)

[Collider]

Just curious, jtav, why is liara one of your favorite romances?

[Jebel Krong]

a couple more shots from my pc playthrough (as usual renegade, will romance miranda):

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 21 juillet 2010 - 01:55 .

[jtav]

Collider wrote...

Just curious, jtav, why is liara one of your favorite romances?

In some ways, my reaction to her romance was the opposite of my reaction to Miranda's. I was initially rolling my eyes, but the dialogue bith before and after the love scene really sold me, particularly when she refused to let Shep tell her everything was going to be okay. In both cases, the last scene more or less overwrote my initial impression.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If there isn't a good DLC in the next few months, I will maybe play my Fshep save.

You haven't played a femShep through ME2 yet? Why that?

Because of Miri. I'm not sure I want to play ME2 without her romance.

Actually, playing a femShep is the only sufficient reason to play a game without romancing Miranda. I'm rather glad they didn't make Miranda a femShep LI option, because then I'd never have played a game with another romance, except as an experiment

I know, but now I can't imagine the mass effect story without miranda's romance. I think I like the character and her relationship with shepard too much.

[jtav]

I can't imagine the story without Miranda resigning or talking to her sister. I've done games where she didn't and used them as the basis for fic, but they feel less real to me.

[Jebel Krong]

a couple of miranda wallpapers based on some of my screenshots:

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I can't imagine the story without Miranda resigning or talking to her sister. I've done games where she didn't and used them as the basis for fic, but they feel less real to me.

It goes that way with me for Miranda not resigning and talking to her sister. My Shepards all make Miranda talk to her sister, Renegade or not, and I have one femShep of four and one maleShep of three who destroyed the base, but I'm constantly fighting the temptation to replay the ending. I probably would have, would it not mean to replay two to three DLCs as well.

As for favorite romances, my list goes Miranda, Kaidan, Ashley. Liara gets a honorable mention, but the rest might as well not exist as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2010 - 03:41 .

[Pacifien]

What mission is your favorite for taking Miranda? Either due to combat or her dialogue. Of course, the loyalty mission doesn't count.

[jtav]

Favorite romances?

Thane
Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Miranda

After that, I don't really care. Miranda's is hard to "grade" because what I like I really like and what I don't like, I hate. Tali's appeal comes mostly from the fact that I like traditionally romantic things and that I identify with her medical problems and the trouble that causes.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
human preoccupation with sex is uncurable: it pretty much what drives our species 99% time...

Yes...we just can't do as many other reasonable mammal species and limit it to specific times of the year. Here's a task for genetic engineering if you ask me.

avatr didn't have the most complex of stories - go and see something like inception if you want that, but cameron pushed the boundaries in so many other areas, it's often better to have one touchstone that the audience can easily connect with, besides it wasn't that bad, just not original.

Thanks for pointing me to Inception. I'd have missed it otherwise.... As for Avatar, if you make a film that people want to see just for it's special effects, then making the story actually interesting instead of appealing to the lowest common denominator won't hurt your sales much. As it is, I maintain it's the disappointment of the year.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2010 - 03:56 .

[Pacifien]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Thanks for pointing me to Inception. I'd have missed it otherwise.... As for Avatar, if you make a film that people want to see just for it's special effects, then making the story actually interesting instead of appealing to the lowest common denominator won't hurt your sales much. As it is, I maintain it's the disappointment of the year.

Honestly, there is a particular point during Inception that puts any special effect Cameron did in Avatar to shame. Cameron's special effects are all about the spectacle. The special effects in Inception, particular the one I'm thinking of, were to help present the story, not overshadow it.

[jtav]

Don't spoil it for me. I want to see it, but it's too hot for me to go the movies.



I've managed to associate the oddest song with Miranda's romance "If I Loved You" from Carousel. It doesn't really suit her, except that I think she isn't likely to outright confess that she loves someone except under extraordinary circumstances. There's a certain wistful quality that I like as well.

[Pacifien]

jtav wrote...
Don't spoil it for me. I want to see it, but it's too hot for me to go the movies.

Absolutely wouldn't tell a soul what that movie is about because the less you know, the better.

But to stay a bit on topic, pick Miranda's favorite movie if she were a contemporary of our times. I think she'd be a Citizen Kane type.

[jtav]

I'll go with Casablanca. Duty over love would really appeal to her.



When I get home, I'm doing another Miranda romance game. I'm sick of these conflicting feelings. Sick. I must like it on some level if I'm using one of my favorite songs as a theme. I'm determined to either learn to love it or start hating it altogether.

[adriano_c]

Coming out of a coma, with this in your face...a dream for some, a nightmare for the character in my avatar, I'm sure...




...and looking off into the distance.

Modifié par adriano_c, 21 juillet 2010 - 04:55 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
When I get home, I'm doing another Miranda romance game. I'm sick of these conflicting feelings. Sick. I must like it on some level if I'm using one of my favorite songs as a theme. I'm determined to either learn to love it or start hating it altogether.

Just stop thinking of parts you can avoid and it'll go well. And remember that people get stupid when they fall in love - keeping that in mind, some not-so-good lines may be forgiveable.