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Kronner wrote...

Collider wrote...

None of them really do. Maybe Jack.

ehm, Tali? She basically acts like 16 year old teenage girl going after older guy with a nice car.

How is she rolling over? Tali's actually the LEAST "rolling over." Her romance is the most conditional.

[Kronner]

jtav wrote...

Oh, boy. This'll be fun.

Tali doesn't roll over. My last Shep all but got inti a shouting match with her during her romance. She's easily flustered, not spineless.

I heard all her dialogue. Once. That was enough for me. Too much sugar (dashing commander, I wish shepard was here? I mean wtf).
I killed her in all my subsequent playthroughs on purpose.

Modifié par Kronner, 23 juillet 2010 - 02:00 .

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Not really. It's just more noticeable with her because of her initial demeanor. Amd I sort of like her initial demeanor.

Ah good.  Just curious because the older Bioware romances had a little bit of this going.  Anomen and Carth all but pledge their souls to you.

I thought in Dragon Age and Mass Effect they had done a much better job and making them more resemble real relationships and you have played through alot more of them than I have.

[Valmy]

Tali is a good friend but not only the fact that having physical relations might just kill her but there is also an age difference I do not find appealing but alot of people don't mind that so much. I have always preferred people my own age.

[jtav]

Sorry, I meant loyalty mission. The point still stands. I like both ladies. I like Tali's romance a bit more, but I like Miranda mire as a character.

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Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not really. It's just more noticeable with her because of her initial demeanor. Amd I sort of like her initial demeanor.

Ah good.  Just curious because the older Bioware romances had a little bit of this going.  Anomen and Carth all but pledge their souls to you.

Strange considering Carth's trust issues.

I thought in Dragon Age and Mass Effect they had done a much better job and making them more resemble real relationships and you have played through alot more of them than I have.

ME2 was better about this (about conditional romances) than ME1, but DA:O definitely takes the cake.

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Valmy wrote...
Tali is a good friend but not only the fact that having physical relations might just kill her but there is also an age difference I do not find appealing but alot of people don't mind that so much. I have always preferred people my own age.

Fair point.

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
Not really. It's just more noticeable with her because of her initial demeanor. Amd I sort of like her initial demeanor.

Ah good.  Just curious because the older Bioware romances had a little bit of this going.  Anomen and Carth all but pledge their souls to you.

To think that I played through KotOR twice with a female character without even noticing that Carth was available for a romance. I didn't hate him like some others, but it just didn't occur to me to attempt a romance, and somehow I took a wrong turn in a conversation and never noticed....

I thought in Dragon Age and Mass Effect they had done a much better job and making them more resemble real relationships and you have played through alot more of them than I have.

Dont know about you, but I've put a few hundred hours into DAO, and two characters are still waiting. It's romances are my favorites, with ME2 second. Except for the love scenes which were better in ME1.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juillet 2010 - 02:24 .

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Collider wrote...

None of them really do. Maybe Jack.

ehm, Tali? She basically acts like 16 year old teenage girl going after older guy with a nice car.

How is she rolling over? Tali's actually the LEAST "rolling over." Her romance is the most conditional.

Conditional on what? Getting her loyalty? All romances are that. And all have a few ways to break it up if that's what you mean.

And, well, yes, she does act a bit like that. Perhaps she can be excused for worshiping a larger-than-life hero, but her first romance conversation puts me off somewhat. Miranda is more hesitant, knowing exactly what she's getting into.  

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To think that I played through KotOR twice with a female character without even noticing that Carth was available for a romance. I didn't hate him like some others, but it just didn't occur to me to attempt a romance, and somehow I took a wrong turn in a conversation and never noticed....

I know Carth's trust issues didn't exactly compel me to talk to him (conversely though, I thought Mirandas coldness pre Normandy was interesting).

Modifié par Collider, 23 juillet 2010 - 02:31 .

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Conditional on what? Getting her loyalty? All romances are that. And all have a few ways to break it up if that's what you mean.

Tali has the most ways of the romance not starting or being terminated (and by that i don't mean Shep himself breaking up with her)

And, well, yes, she does act a bit like that. Perhaps she can be excused for worshiping a larger-than-life hero, but her first romance conversation puts me off somewhat. Miranda is more hesitant, knowing exactly what she's getting into.

I don't believe she is hero worshiping Shepard - and if she is, so is Miranda. Tali is also hesitant in her romance.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
I don't believe she [Tali] is hero worshiping Shepard - and if she is, so is Miranda. Tali is also hesitant in her romance.

I don't think she's a pushover in anything else, but listen to the "what could I possibly be suggesting" conversation and tell me again there isn't a significant dose of hero worship in her attitude. Not that I blame her, it's just not what I prefer.

And Talis is hesitant for practical reasons, while Miranda isn't sure she wants it in the first place, not until the "promise" scene.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juillet 2010 - 02:43 .

[Collider]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Collider wrote...
I don't believe she [Tali] is hero worshiping Shepard - and if she is, so is Miranda. Tali is also hesitant in her romance.

I don't think she's a pushover in anything else, but listen to the "what could I possibly be suggesting" conversation and tell me again there isn't a significant dose of hero worship in her attitude. 

Not hero worship. It's flirting. Miranda actually makes far more mentions about Shepard being a hero.

[Collider]

And Talis is hesitant for practical reasons, while Miranda isn't sure she wants it in the first place, not until the "promise" scene.

Like Miranda, Tali is also concerned about the effect the romance could have on the mission.

[Collider]

That said - I like both women and I don't think either of them are worshiping Shepard. They both have other concerns.

[jtav]

I think there is an element of hero worship/rescue romance to Tali's romance. Such things aren't really to my taste, but it's executed well enough to make it my favorite option for MaleShep in ME2.



I'm a fan without a country. *grumbles*

[Collider]

@jtav: I'd only believe that if Tali's romance wasn't so conditional, though.



Miranda also mentions and admires Shepard's accomplishments much more frequently and severely, even being jealous.



But neither of them fit this description.

[Caihn]

I think it's the wrong place to discuss Tali's romance. I like the character, but I really don't like the romance. And I don't want to say things some people won't like to read.

[jtav]

Clearly, I am strange. I like that she initially cold toward Shepard. I wish she had a few more conversations before she warmed up to make the player feel like they had earned her trust and respect.

[Collider]

Agreed (sans the strange part).

[jtav]

I suppose it "helps" that I could never actually like her to begin with and fully support anything that takes Shepard down a peg or three.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Clearly, I am strange. I like that she initially cold toward Shepard. I wish she had a few more conversations before she warmed up to make the player feel like they had earned her trust and respect.

I agree actually.  Wilsom made it sound like she was a total ice queen but she was giving you compliments on how well the mission was going very early on.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I suppose it "helps" that I could never actually like her to begin with and fully support anything that takes Shepard down a peg or three.

You could never actually like who?  Miranda?