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[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I think there is an element of hero worship/rescue romance to Tali's romance. Such things aren't really to my taste, but it's executed well enough to make it my favorite option for MaleShep in ME2.

I'm a fan without a country. *grumbles*

Wait what?  You have been fretting for months that Miranda would ever put the relationships ahead of herself and then elements of hero worship are in your favorite maleshep romance?  Huh?

Wow you are weird

[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...

I suppose it "helps" that I could never actually like her to begin with and fully support anything that takes Shepard down a peg or three.

You could never actually like who?  Miranda?

Yes, Miranda. We'd kill each other in five minutes. I suppise you could say I'm not looking for a friend either, just an interesting character.

[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think there is an element of hero worship/rescue romance to Tali's romance. Such things aren't really to my taste, but it's executed well enough to make it my favorite option for MaleShep in ME2.

I'm a fan without a country. *grumbles*

Wait what?  You have been fretting for months that Miranda would ever put the relationships ahead of herself and then elements of hero worship are in your favorite maleshep romance?  Huh?

Wow you are weird

Well, I did say I didn't like them. The fact that I've been in Tali's shoes with regards to her talking about most people never seeing beyond the helmet (wheelchair) overrides my concerns. The romance presents an appealing fantasy.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
Yes, Miranda. We'd kill each other in five minutes. I suppise you could say I'm not looking for a friend either, just an interesting character.

Oh IRL.  Right I got it.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
The fact that I've been in Tali's shoes with regards to her talking about most people never seeing beyond the helmet (wheelchair) overrides my concerns. The romance presents an appealing fantasy.

Wait Tali says that?  Wouldn't most Quarians be getting involved with other Quarians like 99% of the time?  I mean a human could easily say most Turians cannot get past his squishyness and stringy hair.

But yeah from that perspective that makes sense.  Is that a factor that also makes the Thane romance, with his disease, appealing to you?

Modifié par Valmy, 23 juillet 2010 - 05:05 .

[Caihn]

Because the thread need a Miri picture, and because I like her romance :

 

[jtav]

I like that pic. I'm never going to live not liking the romance down am I?

[Caihn]

I'm glad I don't have this problem.

In fact, there is pretty much nothing I don't like with Miranda content .. some Shepard lines only.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

I like that pic. I'm never going to live not liking the romance down am I?

No.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Clearly, I am strange. I like that she initially cold toward Shepard. I wish she had a few more conversations before she warmed up to make the player feel like they had earned her trust and respect.

It seems I'm also strange, since I think she isn't really cold but only wants to keep her distance. I can very much sympathize with her since I don't like intrusiveness myself.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juillet 2010 - 06:12 .

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Because the thread need a Miri picture, and because I like her romance :
 

....Sorry, I just had to post that. It's one of my favorite Miranda shots.

[jtav]

Mine too. Wow and double wow.



I'm trying to fight the urge to post a snippet from my current work in progress. Chapter's about half done. It will give Ieldra hives.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm trying to fight the urge to post a snippet from my current work in progress. Chapter's about half done. It will give Ieldra hives.

Heh. That would take more than a story about a romance I don't like. But I must admit I find this need to pair off everyone with everyone rather strange - and amusing to a point. I'm tempted to write a Jacob/Jack chapter just to see how people react. Can't be stranger than Miranda/Thane. Shippers....*shakes head in exasperation*
 

[Caihn]

I Just started the Miranda loyalty mission in my current playthrough, I couldn't resist to make a new capture of this scene.

 


a little enhanced with photoshop

[jtav]

Very nice."



May I post a small piece of my WIP? This is actually Miranda and Mordin focused. No romance in sight.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
May I post a small piece of my WIP? This is actually Miranda and Mordin focused. No romance in sight.

Any story fragment featuring Miranda is welcome.

But I won't read it until tomorrow. Good night everyone....

[kraidy1117]

I had thought if Collider is still here. If you look closely at how Miri acts out in the field, she is cold, dominate and puts the mission above everything else, however when she's in her office and alone with Shepard, she is nice and civil. That could explain it because I find it when she is out in the public and such, she is cold and all mission is important, your feelings suck. So that could explain why she is different in her office.

[jtav]

I'm posting this more to keep us off page two than anything. There are no doubt all sorts of errors that I'll be correcting in a later draft. One of my preoccupations is the interplay between science and religion. The Lazarus Project would turn Christianity on its ear. The game doesn't go into that sort of thing for good reason, but that's what fic is for. This isn't a tract disguised as a story by any means, but religion is going to come up simply because Miranda, Thane, and Mordin are central characters. I've tried to be as fair and evenhanded as I can, but my own religious beliefs have no doubt influenced my work.

They stood in silence for a long time. Mordin's breathing was deep and even, slower than she would have thought possible for a salarian. When he spoke again, even his speech seemed slower. "Envy you. Your Lazarus Project. Scale, import, astonishing."

Miranda whipped her head around. She couldn't have heard correctly. Mordin never expressed envy for anyone, especially over scientific or technical accomplishments. He was usually quick to say how he could have done something more effectively or elegantly. It wasn't arrogance, not really. He was usually right, after all. They'd discussed scientific matters occasionally, but this was the first time he'd offered anything approaching praise for her accomplishments. "Bringing Shepard back was critical to stopping the Reapers. It's the most important thing I'll ever do."

"Right answer, but wrong reason. Bringing Shepard back important for immediate future, but long-term implications more exciting and important." He paced the length of the laboratory. "Am doctor. Many other things as well, but doctor first. Heal patients to the best of considerable abilities. Must always lose them to something, even if original complaint cured. Accident. Murder. Old age. Physician always fights losing battle. Death always final. Until now."

He turned to her. There was a wild, desperate energy in his dark eyes that Miranda had never seen before. "Shepard dead. You brought him back. Every doctor's dream. Studied many religions after crisis of faith. Resurrection myths common. 'O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?' No longer myth. Reality. If Lazarus Project repeatable, organic life changed forever."

"It took years and billions of credits to do what we did. Humanity isn't going to become immortal anytime soon." The religious and philosophical implications concerned her only indirectly. There were no gods waiting to strike her down for usurping their domain. Religion as a social construct might be used as a force for good or evil, but it was up to humanity to shape its own destiny and solve its own problems. When a fire broke out, you grabbed a bucket of water. You didn't fall to you knees and pray it was put out for you.

And she bloody well wouldn't be beholden to busybodies who insisted that what she and Cerberus had done was unnatural. Unnatural. She'd heard the word all her life. George Lawson was wealthy and famous and therefore an easy target for priests hoping to boost flagging coffers and attendance. She'd lost count of the number of sermons she'd heard as a child decrying her conception as unnatural. As if there was anything holy about leaving some as important as genetics to chance. The Archbishop of Santiago had gone so far as to suggest that the schizophrenia that had required her three older sisters to be institutionalized had been nothing less than divine punishment. She wondered what His Eminence would have said if he'd known that the schizophrenia was a convenient fiction to allow her father to shut away his "failed" experiments. She wondered if he would have been horrified to learn that her father had used his disapproval, and the disapproval of those like him, as another thread to bind Miranda to him, to convince her that the Lawsons had to stand together because the entire world was against them. It had taken her sixteen years to discover that she was strong enough to stand on her own.

[Dan the Man with a Plan]

Me3 should be ridiculously filled with content like seven disks with a whole expansion pack devoted to Miranda, I would buy that no problem.

[Nightwriter]

jtav, as always that was a fascinating read.

Your insight into Mordin's reaction to the Lazarus Project and your personification of his character were both inspired and very well done. I had never considered how he might react to such a feat of medical science, but now that you illustrate it for me it occurs to me he would be very affected by it, and I find it incredibly interesting.

Your deeper exploration into Miranda's character was great, as well. Of course your prediction of her religious views were dead on, but I particularly liked your insight into her childhood and how her conception was likely treated by the public, including your invention of the hospitalization of three of her sisters. That is an incredibly interesting add-on, but I always hoped she had other sisters that met darker ends, as well. I like to think he at least liquidized some of them, depending on how far along in their development they were.

Actually, to be honest jtav, it's not just Miranda I'm interested in. Any work that delves deeper into any of the characters is a welcome read from where I'm standing. I'd be happy to read any other non-Miranda work you have.

[Ieldra]

@jtav:
That was a *really* interesting read. I agree with what Nightwriter said, but have some more comments:

(1) I wonder if Miranda's father would allow his project to become common knowledge. I've always assumed he kept it a secret, but admittedly there's no reason for it except to avoid the attention of the religous types you described, since as I understand it, engineering your children wasn't illegal. It might be interesting to add an assassination attempt by a fanatic to the (back)story.
(2) The Lazarus project brought back a man who died from violence. Bringing back someone who died of old age or disease, particularly one affecting the brain, might be a very different thing. It would have to include curing the disease or removing the effects of ageing, and that problem hasn't been solved. At least there isn't a hint of it. Death from old age is still final. Mordin would see that.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:58 .

[Caihn]

Miranda : the best motivation for Shepard to stay alive. 

[Ieldra]

Dan the Man with a Plan wrote...
Me3 should be ridiculously filled with content like seven disks with a whole expansion pack devoted to Miranda, I would buy that no problem.

On my wishlist is a separate game which might be called "Mass Effect: The Miranda Lawson Chronicles".  

@Yannkee: Very much this! *saves screenshot*

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juillet 2010 - 09:44 .

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra brings up some good points actually. It didn't occur to me her father might want to keep her creation a secret. I think his close colleagues and associates still might suspect, though. I mean the man can only introduce so many daughters to you, each one seemingly ignorant of what happened to the one before her, before you start to think somethin's up, right?

I still think Mordin would be interested in the Lazarus Project, the reanimation of dead tissue might help unlock some discoveries about the salarian aging process.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
 
@Yannkee: Very much this! *saves screenshot*

Every time I watch Miranda saving Shepard I can't stop thinking about the promise scene.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 juillet 2010 - 11:29 .