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[Melra]

Yannkee wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Mass effect is the first game where I don't use a custom avatar. I would prefer to make my own shepard but I find the face textures and haircuts ugly. In ME1 I think I could have played with a custom shep, but in ME2 it's just impossible. Most of non player characters faces have improved, with higher textures resolution, and the default shep is the only one who have such textures quality.

Indeed, that's main reason why I prefer default, but it isn't the only reason. He is fine as long as he doesn't do those freaking hideous grins.

''Oh I am definitely interested....'' 

<_<

I just close my eyes when he does that. 

Won't help me anymore, I see the face when I hear him say that line.. 

Buh.. Many people seem quite bummed by the ME2 forums, outside these forums. I wonder, if they'd stick with Yvonne, if they would have Miri in it. I don't think she'll be in the movie, but as long as I don't have to watch tender moments between walking suit with female figure and Shepard, I am fine. 

Modifié par Melrache, 25 juillet 2010 - 04:02 .

[Throw_this_away]

Just wondering what you guys think of this:



It has been said before (hasn't everything...), but I think Tali's popularity stems from two main facts:



1. Mystery: No-one has seen Tali's face. Everyone has a unique preference of what makes someone beautiful/ideal. Because no-one has seen her face, people who are drawn to her will imagine her face to to be very beautiful... their own personal ideal. Miranda, for example, cannot compete. She has a face, hair, teeth, etc... like it or not. Some like it. Some don't. Jack is bald, and is covered in tatoos. Yuck. Tali is what you want her to be... just like a novel. And we all know novels are always better than the books... because everyone is as we imagine them to be.



2. Personality. From the start Tali is sweet, friendly, innocent, virginal, loyal, and she has an obvious crush on sheploo in ME2. Who doesn't want that? We are all nice guys... and people tend to like other nice people. Miranda is arrogant and tells you off. Jack tells you off with a series of 4 letter words. Both have been around the bend quite a bit which is a turn-off to modest nice-guy types. Both Miranda and Jack are more loving once you get to know them... but for many, they burn their romantic bridges due to their ethics and dialogue early in the game.



That being said, I am not one of the majority on the forum, and much prefer Miranda. Tali acts too young in my eyes. I also see Tali as appealing to the "good-girl"/younger/nice-guy demographic. Jack is the opposite "bad girl", and Miranda falls in between.



In the end I suspect that most ME2 players (NOTE: this is a different demographic from forum regulars), actually chose Miranda as a LI. I would love to see the recorded gameplay stats.

[KendallX23]

how can people like how a person looks without seeing how he/she actually looks ?by the suit in this case ?oh yea..marvelous suit..i am in love with her.....people can imagine how she looks but it dosen't change the fact that we don't know how she looks...

Miranda we see her from the beginning...we know what to expect...i see more appeal in this then some unknown chicken legs

[Throw_this_away]

KendallX23 wrote...

how can people like how a person looks without seeing how he/she actually looks ?by the suit in this case ?oh yea..marvelous suit..i am in love with her.....people can imagine how she looks but it dosen't change the fact that we don't know how she looks...
Miranda we see her from the beginning...we know what to expect...i see more appeal in this then some unknown chicken legs

bu that is my point.  By not knowing what her face looks like, we can automatically imagine that she is perfect (and perfect is different for everyone). 

Again, by seeing Miranda's face... we have a "take it or leave it" decisoin to make.  If her looks are not our cup of tea... we are stuck. 

I for one don;t car for Tali because I can;t see her face, thus I relate to her about as much as I would to a talking microwave with a body.  (actually... if her head was a microwave she would become my fav character...)

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Mass effect is the first game where I don't use a custom avatar. I would prefer to make my own shepard but I find the face textures and haircuts ugly. In ME1 I think I could have played with a custom shep, but in ME2 it's just impossible. Most of non player characters faces have improved, with higher textures resolution, and the default shep is the only one who have such textures quality.

Indeed, that's main reason why I prefer default, but it isn't the only reason. He is fine as long as he doesn't do those freaking hideous grins.

''Oh I am definitely interested....'' 

<_<

I just close my eyes when he does that. 

Won't help me anymore, I see the face when I hear him say that line.. 

Buh.. Many people seem quite bummed by the ME2 forums, outside these forums. I wonder, if they'd stick with Yvonne, if they would have Miri in it. I don't think she'll be in the movie, but as long as I don't have to watch tender moments between walking suit with female figure and Shepard, I am fine. 

If they make a movie about Shepard, it would be a terrible mistake.
I don't know if I want to see Miri in the movie, but if she's in it, I want Yvonne. :happy:

[TheSixthghoul]

Relax Yannkee, if they make a movie it will star Anderson before Shepard.

[Caihn]

I hope you're right.

[jtav]

I'm doing my best not to think about the movie.

Explain this one to me: My favorite romances are Tali's and Thane's (I like cornball romanticism--sue me) And yet, I have almost nothing interesting to say about them. Miranda is the character that fascinates me. There's your schizophrenia, Ieldra.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Explain this one to me: My favorite romances are Tali's and Thane's (I like cornball romanticism--sue me) And yet, I have almost nothing interesting to say about them. Miranda is the character that fascinates me. There's your schizophrenia, Ieldra.

That's the problem: the interesting things are almost always neither completely likeable nor completely unlikeable. Tali and Thane are "safe" to like (and the only LIs who are), which is why I don't like their romances. They don't challenge you and keep you safely within the boundaries of the conventional. While Thane's romance, for instance, poses some interesting problems because of his illness, we've seen it all before. Miranda pushes the boundaries. She's interesting rather than safely likeable, she doesn't need you, and she has that ruthless streak which may lessen depending on how you play your Shepard, but which will never completely disappear. Miranda stays a challenge for Shepard, among other things, because her ethics remain fluid and her emotions are always tempered by reason, and even her love may be challenged by necessity. You can never take her for granted. It takes a certain kind of confidence to remain with her

And, while this is a kind of romance I've always liked and waited for to appear in a game for some time, in RL someone like Miranda would be much too stressful a companion. After all, I'm no larger-than-life hero....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 juillet 2010 - 06:43 .

[jtav]

You know the sad thing? I agree with pretty much all of that, allowing for the fact that I like conventional romance. Miranda's actual romance isn't that unique, though. "I want you but duty demands otherwise/I'm afraid of getting hurt" is a fairly well-worn plot. See Bastila, for instance. All six romances cater to one romantic fantasy or other. It's a matter of execution and what sort of fantasy you prefer.

I'm referring to the actual romance plot, of course. The lady herself is quite complicated and compelling.

Modifié par jtav, 25 juillet 2010 - 07:45 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
You know the sad thing? I agree with pretty much all of that, allowing for the fact that I like conventional romance. Miranda's actual romance isn't that unique, though. "I want you but duty demands otherwise/I'm afraid of getting hurt" is a fairly well-worn plot. See Bastila, for instance. All six romances cater to one romantic fantasy or other. It's a matter of execution and what sort of fantasy you prefer.

"I'm afraid of getting hurt" has been done before, yes. But as for duty, that's usually imposed from without and accepted. It's different for Miranda. If she gets away from feeling she's a tool, it's still a solitary path she walks because she's the first of a new breed. Where will she go? In most stories, she'd "return to the fold" and become just like everybody else. Here she has the potential, and the personality, to break new ground, to give her life meaning beyond being a tool controlled by someone else while still realizing her potential. And if she does, will there be someone who walks alongside? Is there one who can? That's the question asked by the romance, and while it's still not unique - everything has been told at some time or another - such a romance is rather rare in fiction.

Shepard is as unique, having come back from the dead, and come back with "a few upgrades". They suit each other. To both Shepard and Miranda, the other is the answer to the question of who will walk alongside. And while they will work for humanity as they think it should be done, they themselves will remain apart from humanity to some degree.

BTW:
Why is it sad that you agree with me?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 juillet 2010 - 07:57 .

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

You know the sad thing? I agree with pretty much all of that, allowing for the fact that I like conventional romance. Miranda's actual romance isn't that unique, though. "I want you but duty demands otherwise/I'm afraid of getting hurt" is a fairly well-worn plot. See Bastila, for instance. All six romances cater to one romantic fantasy or other. It's a matter of execution and what sort of fantasy you prefer.

I'm referring to the actual romance plot, of course. The lady herself is quite complicated and compelling.

It's funny that you refer to Bastila.
She's also one of my favorite character in Bioware games, and I enjoyed her romance in KOTOR.

Can't wait to play SWTOR to know what happened to her and Revan.
Besides, I'm currently watching Comic Con video on multiplayer story in SWTOR with James Ohlen, Drew Karpyshyn and Alexander Freed. This game will be so epic, the wait is killing me.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
Why is it sad that you agree with me?

Because I would have really liked the romance if it had focused on those things and the fanservice had been toned down. I think Bioware mostly sees Miranda as a fairly standard "hot spy" and the thing that interest the two of us aren't what interest them. I fear a romanced Miranda will "return to the fold" and become thoroughly conventional. Marriage, kids, no more ruthless streak or pushing the bounds of possibility.

[Caihn]

I find interesting to see a character evolve. Miranda can change and not become the type of person you fear she could become.



And I'm not agree with you about the fanservice thing.

[Raizo]

KendallX23 wrote...

how can people like how a person looks without seeing how he/she actually looks ?by the suit in this case ?oh yea..marvelous suit..i am in love with her.....people can imagine how she looks but it dosen't change the fact that we don't know how she looks...
Miranda we see her from the beginning...we know what to expect...i see more appeal in this then some unknown chicken legs

In ME1 Tali had the best body in the game, heck I spent the vast majority of ME1 wondering why I could not romance her. Still I do get your point. I've always wondered how Tali fans would react if she looked like a Predator under her mask.

[jtav]

I find evolution interesting as well. The problem is that she didn't evolve, in the sense that I have no clue how she came to mistrust TIM enough to resign. I can speculate, but the game doesn't bother to tell me. Leaving aside the merits of the base decision, is there any evidence prior to that moment to suggest she's the sort of person for whom using the research would feel like a betrayal?

[Caihn]

Yes but I don't want an another debate on this subject. I think we'll never agree on that.

And this has nothing to do with Miranda becoming conventional.

[Prudii Aden]

As we've had a few new arrivals, and it's not been posted in a while, I think it is time for this -

[TheSixthghoul]

jtav wrote...

I find evolution interesting as well. The problem is that she didn't evolve, in the sense that I have no clue how she came to mistrust TIM enough to resign. I can speculate, but the game doesn't bother to tell me. Leaving aside the merits of the base decision, is there any evidence prior to that moment to suggest she's the sort of person for whom using the research would feel like a betrayal?

I'll save you the time jtav, there is no reason or evidence given only her loyalty mission which said nothing.Only evidence otherwise contradicts her reaction and mistrust. If you remember, I had a theory awhile back that  all throughout the game we see what Miranda could be going from renegade to paragon ending after the collector base.
The last two conversations being paragon starting right after she said the betrayal line which is ending paragade to start a dominate  pure paragon.All setting up for Mass Effect 3.

[Caihn]

Prudii Aden wrote...

As we've had a few new arrivals, and it's not been posted in a while, I think it is time for this -

Yeah  

[Caihn]

Time for me to sleep.

I'm also tired of reading complaints about her romance, and I think the OOC thing will ****** me off.

Good night.

[jtav]

Am I really bothering the group in general? Do I need to shut up?

[Caihn]

No I think it's just me, that's why I'm leaving now.
(I think I must be the only one here who like everything about Miranda)

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 juillet 2010 - 10:43 .

[Prudii Aden]

We're going around in circles again jtav. I believe we've been here before. I'm guessing you're trying to resolve it, but possibly becoming prey to investigating it too closely.There are no signposted bits, but considering how internally incorrect ME can be, I think it's best to let that particular subject lie. I doubt you'll find something that will satisfy you.

[KendallX23]

Raizo wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

how can people like how a person looks without seeing how he/she actually looks ?by the suit in this case ?oh yea..marvelous suit..i am in love with her.....people can imagine how she looks but it dosen't change the fact that we don't know how she looks...
Miranda we see her from the beginning...we know what to expect...i see more appeal in this then some unknown chicken legs

In ME1 Tali had the best body in the game, heck I spent the vast majority of ME1 wondering why I could not romance her. Still I do get your point. I've always wondered how Tali fans would react if she looked like a Predator under her mask.

                  the only thing that interested me about her in ME1 was info on her race and knwoledge on the geth she had...guess Ashley was much more interesting..but tali would be more interesting if she looked like a Predator...gotta love them...and i actually never once thinked of her as a romance option...Miranda i knew she was the moment they first showed her...and i never heard of galaxy before the ME2 announcement