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[jtav]

Nightwriter wrote...

What's this? New thread? Did I miss a fallout? Huh.

Oh wait, I forgot to say something relevant.

How do you think they'll carry Miranda's romance in ME3? How will they keep it interesting, keep it moving?

I've noticed that in Bioware romances the sex scene is usually pretty much the end of the romance path. For the first time it seems they have the opportunity for it to progress beyond that. So how will they do it? 

As a writer I'd say the first thing you'd need to do is introduce new conflict. But for some reason I doubt they'll do that.

If it were me, I'd focus on Miranda trying to figure out who she is not that she's either resigned or working for an organization she no longer truly believes in. I could see her feeling lost and maybe a bit angry.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
What's this? New thread? Did I miss a fallout? Huh.

Perhaps you missed the discussion. The OP needed an update and DarthReavus didn't respond to several messages, so we requested either a change of the OP's ownership (which proved to be impossible with this forum software - in fact, I don't know any forum software where you can do this as a standard function) or a lock/restart. 

Oh wait, I forgot to say something relevant.

How do you think they'll carry Miranda's romance in ME3? How will they keep it interesting, keep it moving?

I've noticed that in Bioware romances the sex scene is usually pretty much the end of the romance path. For the first time it seems they have the opportunity for it to progress beyond that. So how will they do it? 

As a writer I'd say the first thing you'd need to do is introduce new conflict. But for some reason I doubt they'll do that.

Not for the first time. They did this in the BG2 Expansion, which was almost as big as a sequel. Unfortunately, I don't recall how it went there, but there was at least one instance of significant character development for an LI character. And it did involve new conflict, although mostly an internal one.

In Miranda's case, there's no obvious path to a conflict between her and Shepard, but several possible other options. I think one of the best things would be a period of absence (NOT the majority of the game!) where Miranda must deal with some personal business. Then they could meet again at an unexpected time and place. Hmm. Doesn't sound too interesting yet, but it's midnight and my brain wants to dream....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 juin 2010 - 10:08 .

[Ashton808]

Hope Miranda becomes pregnant and we can start a marriage. So I can have a Lt. Shepard!

[Nightwriter]

Those are some interesting suggestions.

It's tricky with Miranda because the path her character is on is very much bound up in the final choices you made in ME2. I worry that they'll water down the romance content because of this, make it a big vague so as not to address these issues and make the whole thing work the same whether you blew up the base or not.

I don't think I'd like it if Miranda was away for very wrong... there are other ways they could do it.

Off the top of my head, were I the writer I might make it start with Miranda in denial of her feelings. Perhaps she's rationalized that it's just about sex. It would certainly play into the tone of the sex scene a bit. Then the romance could go the way of Morrigan's, with her resisting her feelings.

[Andaius20]

Hey congrats on finally getting the new thread up!

Modifié par Andaius20, 12 juin 2010 - 11:53 .

[Andaius20]

Blue is my favorite color.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
It's tricky with Miranda because the path her character is on is very much bound up in the final choices you made in ME2. I worry that they'll water down the romance content because of this, make it a big vague so as not to address these issues and make the whole thing work the same whether you blew up the base or not.

The decision about the base need not influence the romance itself, but Miranda's relationship with Cerberus. The problem is, I can't see the romance remaining uninfluenced by how she stands with TIM and his organization. It's almost as if they'd need to write two different Mirandas.

Off the top of my head, were I the writer I might make it start with Miranda in denial of her feelings. Perhaps she's rationalized that it's just about sex. It would certainly play into the tone of the sex scene a bit. Then the romance could go the way of Morrigan's, with her resisting her feelings.

I dislike that idea. That would be too much a rehash of themes already explored, only for slightly different reasons. It would not add to the romance and it's too stereotypical. Morrigan was different: she didn't deny her feelings, she had plans more important than her love for the Warden. I respected her for that. If they found something similar for Miranda I wouldn't mind, but that would mean she had to leave for some time. Just let it not be "she denies her feelings." (shudder).

[Ieldra]

Da Shadow Master wrote...
She looks good in blue.I'd also like to see her in a red and black outfit as well.

Glad to oblige:



You can actually mod the game to make her look like this. Unfortunately, the one who knows how to do this left before finishing his work. I don't recall who it was. Probably Strikor2115. Edit: it was gutty47.

Extremely well-made sig, btw. Would you mind if I used it should I ever get bored with my current one?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juin 2010 - 09:20 .

[Andysilv]

It was Gutty who did that awesome little red/black attire

[Prudii Aden]

Morning all. Good to see the red & black pic back.

Now, who would this be?

[STG]

Vulgus Presencia wrote...

Oh my.

[Christmas Ape]

Evening! This looks much more realistic to get into than the other huge support threads I'm not in.



While I agree with your premise and points of order, I nevertheless basically want nothing in the "What We Want" section save her continued presence and more exploration of her background. I'm personally content to let fanfiction fill in the relationship gaps, there's plenty of "dating sim" cracks about ME2 as it is.



That said, I do hope we can get along regardless. She sure did grow on me from when I first read "the loyalist" - a description that called her out as "shrill harpy at your ear" at first glance - even if every time she and Jack are in the same room I feel like Shepard's trying to give her "please don't shake the human bomb" looks. Hell, I'm a huge Garrus fan and I gave her both fireteams on the last playthrough. They needed a hell of a leader to get through there, which Miranda shows herself to be time and again (if one interprets her passive gameplay bonuses into the "story" as tactical acumen and good advice). Garrus is a good man, but...he's a small squad hit and run leader, better with a crossfire ambush than a straight assault.



That's all. Oh, and hi again. Backgrounding my first ever MaleShep to take a shot at Miranda. Unsure yet if he'll keep Niket alive. FemShep didn't - her family, her call, the orphan has no frame of reference for this scenario. Last man from her old "family" she met, she shot in the face in a crowded bar.

[Ieldra]

Christmas Ape wrote...
While I agree with your premise and points of order, I nevertheless basically want nothing in the "What We Want" section save her continued presence and more exploration of her background. I'm personally content to let fanfiction fill in the relationship gaps, there's plenty of "dating sim" cracks about ME2 as it is.

I guess you're not a fan of romance in games in general? I can understand that, and the hype on the forums doesn't help I suppose. There are a few others here who like Miranda but not primarily for her romance, so that's OK.

That's all. Oh, and hi again. Backgrounding my first ever MaleShep to take a shot at Miranda. Unsure yet if he'll keep Niket alive. FemShep didn't - her family, her call, the orphan has no frame of reference for this scenario. Last man from her old "family" she met, she shot in the face in a crowded bar.

I've played both variants and both are acceptable. I'm undecided which one I like more. From a storytelling viewpoint, probably letting her kill Niket.

And welcome, btw.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juin 2010 - 10:08 .

[Christmas Ape]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I guess you're not a fan of romance in games in general? I can understand that, and the hype on the forums doesn't help I suppose. There are a few others here who like Miranda but not primarily for her romance, so that's OK.

I think that's overstating the case. I appreciate the attention Bioware gives to the reactions of people in close proximity and great danger for an extended period of time - yes, you might grab for a little closeness while speeding towards doom and destruction even if you haven't known them long. That's fine. I've never had a problem with it. Navigating the complex ones (Silk Fox in JE as female character is like a maze) is my favorite kind of Biowork.

I just...enjoy Mass Effect as a high action sci-fi adventure, reasonably well laid out as far as my suspension of disbelief goes (but I come at that question from the other side, which is irrelevant). It's a roleplaying game, sure, but not in the sense that I want to completely explore Shepard's life - we're going to save the galaxy, and almost everything else is off-camera. Frankly I'd rather discuss "why Cerberus aren't monstrous" with her than pick out some wine and go sit in a park on the Presidium.

I enjoy the hell out of the romances, I just feel like they show me exactly as much as I need to be shown and I fill in the rest myself. Any further exploration of a relationship almost always leads into mini-quest country, which leads to timers, which leads to an in-game relationship that feels like work and is not enjoyable in the slightest (every GTA with girlfriends).

Small Edit: I don't mind if NPCs don't recognize the relationship given that even your present love interest never calls you by your first name, even in private.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 13 juin 2010 - 10:25 .

[VampireCommando]

Hey guys i'm back, nice the to see the thread moving more and more.



@nightwriter, sorry i totally forgot to send you an PM when the new thread was started with all the confusion and trying to figure out who was missing, i apologise, my bad.

[Ieldra]

Christmas Ape wrote...
I just...enjoy Mass Effect as a high action sci-fi adventure, reasonably well laid out as far as my suspension of disbelief goes (but I come at that question from the other side, which is irrelevant). It's a roleplaying game, sure, but not in the sense that I want to completely explore Shepard's life - we're going to save the galaxy, and almost everything else is off-camera. Frankly I'd rather discuss "why Cerberus aren't monstrous" with her than pick out some wine and go sit in a park on the Presidium.

What about picking out some wine, go sitting in a park on the presidium and discussing "why Cerberus aren't monstrous" with her there?
I'm all for better integration of the romances into the story. If that's done will, a love story adds to any good greater story. The problem is there are too many LI options. While in any particlar playthrough, there is only one, the resources still have to be spent for all of them. I wonder if Bioware haven't designed themselves into a corner by giving us 9 LI options (counting both ME1 and ME2).

[Christmas Ape]

Ieldra2 wrote...
What about picking out some wine, go sitting in a park on the presidium and discussing "why Cerberus aren't monstrous" with her there?

Sounds like loading screens for a conversation you can have in her office, wine or no.

I'm all for better integration of the romances into the story. If that's done will, a love story adds to any good greater story.

Granted, but I don't think giving it an opportunity to steal focus is of benefit to the game overall. Maybe a scripted moment or two when, for whatever story reason, you're compelled to wait and whichever LI you're pursuing pops in to suggest getting off the ship a while - you can either pursue a private conversation with dialog options that don't exist anywhere else in the game (Investigates especially) or beg off with too much work to do and skip right ahead to the next plot moment. Maybe if you're not pursuing a relationship at the moment it's Kelly/her replacement, concerned you're working too hard and cutting yourself off socially. Less a date than very gentle, casual therapy. "Let's just get off this ship and talk for a while, Shepard. Joker'll keep her safe. You could stand a conversation that doesn't end in gunfire."

Okay, I got off on a brainstorming tangent there. The thrust of it is I'd like the relationship element in ME3 to adjust the story, sure, but not take portions of it for itself.

The problem is there are too many LI options. While in any particlar playthrough, there is only one, the resources still have to be spent for all of them. I wonder if Bioware haven't designed themselves into a corner by giving us 9 LI options (counting both ME1 and ME2).

And the programmers/writers need to address every combination of ME1 love interest faithful/gotten over in favor of each ME2 love interest, the chance you might choose to go back to them, plus the almosts in ME2 and the possibility for both games of "none". It either needs to be generic or a disc all its own.
I guess unless they use my idea, then it's just a couple different settings and some extra dialog.

[Ieldra]

Just a litte Miranda picture before I'll leave for a few hours...



BTW, I'm in the process of adding "Why do you like Miranda?" to the FAQ. There are a number of answers, but not all of them apply to me, so I'd like to be reminded....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juin 2010 - 12:48 .

[Auzden]

woah ivew been pretty long if there is a total new thread. btw i love all those pics up there

[VampireCommando]

Slow today isn't it?



Lets speed it up with a question,



If Miri became the leader of cerberus what do you think she would change about the organization?



I think she would bring it into more ethical grounds in terms of what the organization does, i think she would make it simliar to a hybrid betwen the STG and the Asari Commandos, she seems to have great respect for those organizations and admires what and how they do things. I also doubt she'd be as ruthles as TIM but she would be direct and a kinda does whats nessary to get her goal acoplished, what about you guys?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

VampireCommando wrote...

Slow today isn't it?

Lets speed it up with a question,

If Miri became the leader of cerberus what do you think she would change about the organization?

I think she would bring it into more ethical grounds in terms of what the organization does, i think she would make it simliar to a hybrid betwen the STG and the Asari Commandos, she seems to have great respect for those organizations and admires what and how they do things. I also doubt she'd be as ruthles as TIM but she would be direct and a kinda does whats nessary to get her goal acoplished, what about you guys?

 why not start her own organization, and not try and clear up the image of a rogue organization's past by being "different", doing stuff differently?

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 13 juin 2010 - 02:16 .

[VampireCommando]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

Slow today isn't it?

Lets speed it up with a question,

If Miri became the leader of cerberus what do you think she would change about the organization?

I think she would bring it into more ethical grounds in terms of what the organization does, i think she would make it simliar to a hybrid betwen the STG and the Asari Commandos, she seems to have great respect for those organizations and admires what and how they do things. I also doubt she'd be as ruthles as TIM but she would be direct and a kinda does whats nessary to get her goal acoplished, what about you guys?

 why not start her own organization, and not try and clear up the image of a rogue organization's past by being "different", doing stuff differently?

Because to start something simlar to cerberus would requir ridicuas amounts of backing from some where, not to mention she'd have to find the people willing to work for her, it would be much easier for her to take over cerberus and make the nessary changes to make it into her own organization, she would already then have the backing, the funding and the people willing to work for her, makes things much easier whilst making cerberus into a 'almost new' and diffrent organization.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

dude how do you embed a youtube video?