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[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...

And a f/f romance with Miranda would have been lovely, provided Hale's delivery wasn't anything like what we got with Jacob. My FemSheps are more real to me and probably better matches for Miranda. Bioware would never have done it and I'd have a hard time accepting a retcon in ME3. Not of Miranda's sexuality--an ambiguous relationship with Jacob and a possible one with Shepard doesn't preclude female lovers--but of why she didn't express interest.

Unfortunately, the lack of homosexual relationships is wholly a case of BW trying to avoid the bad press of the first game. In a universe that can concieve of an entire race like the Asari who don't give a damn about their partner's gender, dictating that heterosexuality is a norm is plain unbelievable.
 
ME1 created a stir here when it was released. It was even banned. But fast forward 2 years and Dragon Age's homosexual relationships don't even warrant a peep now. Hopefully, BW takes that as a sign to ease up on the self censorship in ME3. But I agree it would be awful if they retcon any of the existing LI's sexual preferences because of it.

I think it's a case of SF fans being (or being perceived as) more conservative. I've seen more statements that sounded as if made by fundamentalist nutcases in the ME forums than I ever met in any other games-related forum.

And yes, a retcon would be very bad.

[jtav]

Odd. I usually think of sci-fi as liberal and fantasy as conservative. Shows what I know. I think there's also a perception that shooter fans are less accepting of gay characters than more traditional RPG fans as well. It may be true, but I don't have to like it, just as I don't have to like the way the game objectifies Miranda at times.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Odd. I usually think of sci-fi as liberal and fantasy as conservative. Shows what I know. I think there's also a perception that shooter fans are less accepting of gay characters than more traditional RPG fans as well. It may be true, but I don't have to like it, just as I don't have to like the way the game objectifies Miranda at times.

Actually, I have to retract my statement, since I just remembered what I read on the Gothic forums some time ago as answer to the complaint that there were almost no women in the games, to say nothing of competent ones. Every genre has its nutcases. Your perception of shooter vs. RPG fans is probably more correct. I just had that impression because I recognize the more traditional fantasy stuff at a glance and tend to avoid it. Heh - the players in my PnP roleplaying campaigns sometimes complain they never know what to expect from my worlds, but I think fantasy is about actually using your imagination instead of reproducing the same old stuff again and again.

And before this gets even more OT, here a random selection of some old but still good Miranda pictures. Great art on the last pages, btw, to everyone who posted it - I didn't want to quote the stuff a tenth time, but I appreciate it nonetheless.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 août 2010 - 06:27 .

[fongiel24]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Just in case it hasn't already been posted.

It's been a few months since I posted and the first thing I saw when I came back to the ME2 forums was this... holy mother of...  I think I'd actually buy a print of this if I wasn't tapped out right now.

Nice to see a new thread too, the old one was getting a little long - thanks Ieldra!

[jtav]

I've never played Gothic, but I'm going to take a wild guess that the comment is the sort of thing that makes my blood boil, yes? I swear, something about game forums lets loose my inner feminist.



That first shot never gets old. I'm trying to decide whether I should do Miranda's loyalty mission or even talk to her. The only thing stopping that Shep from killing her herself is that the option isn't available. On the other hand, not talking to Miranda is painful. I just hope I'm able to recruit Morinth despite picking anti-Cerberus dialogue options.

[nitefyre410]

 And now some Epic Miranda  art pieces 





 



enjoy   

Edit:  These are not mine I found all on  deviantart 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 10 août 2010 - 05:53 .

[jtav]

Nice to see you fongiel. Yeah, that's great art.

[nitefyre410]

jtav wrote...

Nice to see you fongiel. Yeah, that's great art.

 

*sips  glass of fine wine*  

Only the best artwork will do for one of favorite ladies 

[fongiel24]

Thanks jtav, good to see you still posting. How's the writing going?

Only the best artwork will do for one of favorite ladies

Geez... where's all this stuff coming from?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I've never played Gothic, but I'm going to take a wild guess that the comment is the sort of thing that makes my blood boil, yes? I swear, something about game forums lets loose my inner feminist.

As I see it, promoting equal opportunity isn't actually feminist....

That first shot never gets old.

Yep, it's one of my favorites.

I'm trying to decide whether I should do Miranda's loyalty mission or even talk to her. The only thing stopping that Shep from killing her herself is that the option isn't available. On the other hand, not talking to Miranda is painful. I just hope I'm able to recruit Morinth despite picking anti-Cerberus dialogue options.

That's a strange Shepard you're playing. Anyway, if you want to get Morinth, then you need to do it as early in your game as possible. The requirement is that you have to resist her influence, and you can do that with Paragon or Renegade options, but the decision itself is not a persuasion, so you don't need a high Renegade score to get her. You do need a relatively high Renegade *or* Paragon score, but not absolutely, only compared to what you could get at the point where you're making the decision. As with all persuasion situations, earlier is easier if you don't play an extremely one-sided Shepard. If you do, it doesn't matter, only the Renegade solution to the Tali/Legion conflict is particularly unpleasant, IMO about the worst Renegade option in the game. Shepard's being a real jerk here. I'd rather side with one than using that.

Edit:
HI fongiel, nice to see you back!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 août 2010 - 07:05 .

[jtav]

fongiel24 wrote...

Thanks jtav, good to see you still posting. How's the writing going?

The writing isn't going. I did start posting a Miranda/Thane story because I was concerned about my ability to update in a timely manner and the response wan't very good. I'll reposy once I'm done with the first three chapters. I've also been playing around with Miranda/Liara.

[jtav]

What's so strange about the Shepard Ieldra? She's a Sole Survivor who hares Cerberus and by extension Miranda. She wisges they had just let her die since the galaxy she saved hates her and she's been brought back to die in any case.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
What's so strange about the Shepard Ieldra? She's a Sole Survivor who hares Cerberus and by extension Miranda. She wisges they had just let her die since the galaxy she saved hates her and she's been brought back to die in any case.

It's strange combined with your wish to recruit Morinth. Heh - the wish to recruit Morinth is rather strange by itself. Why does she want that? OK, maybe she does want to die, that would be consequent from what you're saying about her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 août 2010 - 07:20 .

[jtav]

The Morinth thing is partly metagaming, as I've never done it, and partly, as you said, suicidal urges. Miranda and Jacob are dying for obvious reasons, but I'll try to manipulate things so Miranda dies in Shepard's arms after resigning. That will break Shepard even more, as she realizes Miranda wasn't a monster and they could have been friends.

[fongiel24]

Thanks Ieldra! It's scary how fast this new thread filled up - I don't even know if it's worth trying to catch up on 148 pages.

The writing isn't going. I did start posting a Miranda/Thane story because I was concerned about my ability to update in a timely manner and the response wan't very good. I'll reposy once I'm done with the first three chapters. I've also been playing around with Miranda/Liara.

That kinda sucks. I'm in the same boat right now. I've got a few chapters of material I have to re-edit before I post it but other than that I can't seem to get anything going. Did you post your Miranda/Thane on FF.net?

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

The Morinth thing is partly metagaming, as I've never done it, and partly, as you said, suicidal urges. Miranda and Jacob are dying for obvious reasons, but I'll try to manipulate things so Miranda dies in Shepard's arms after resigning. That will break Shepard even more, as she realizes Miranda wasn't a monster and they could have been friends.

Recruiting Morinth was a bit of a disappointment for me. After going through all of Samara's dialogue, I really wanted to see what Morinth would have to say but it turns out she doesn't have any full conversations at all. If you try and talk to her, she gives canned responses like Kasumi (only with less variety). It's too bad because Morinth could have been a really interesting character to get to know.

[jtav]

fongiel, I originally took it down but a couple of people asked about it so I've stuck it back up here. New chapter will be up as I can manage them.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

fongiel, I originally took it down but a couple of people asked about it so I've stuck it back up here. New chapter will be up as I can manage them.

Reading...

[jtav]

I realize her passive is built around leadership, but I wish we could have seen Miranda's flair for tactics in-game. I honestly thought she was the bad choice for fire team leader the first time through because of the way Jack was in her face and her absolute genius for angering people.

[nitefyre410]

jtav wrote...

I realize her passive is built around leadership, but I wish we could have seen Miranda's flair for tactics in-game. I honestly thought she was the bad choice for fire team leader the first time through because of the way Jack was in her face and her absolute genius for angering people.

 

As much as I like Jack most of the time I  simply ignore her outburst.  I took the time  reading the character skill profiles during the Suicide Mission , Miranda and Garrus  are to you two best bets a  Fire team leads.  I use Miranda for the first Fire team and Garrus for the Second 

[tommyt_1994]

nitefyre410 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I realize her passive is built around leadership, but I wish we could have seen Miranda's flair for tactics in-game. I honestly thought she was the bad choice for fire team leader the first time through because of the way Jack was in her face and her absolute genius for angering people.

 

As much as I like Jack most of the time I  simply ignore her outburst.  I took the time  reading the character skill profiles during the Suicide Mission , Miranda and Garrus  are to you two best bets a  Fire team leads.  I use Miranda for the first Fire team and Garrus for the Second 

Yeah you need to be careful when reading through those descriptions. When I heard that I needed a "tech specialist", I thought "Oh I need to pick someone with a bunch of tech powers". So I picked Mordin and of course he died. At the time I figured that Mordin/Tali/Legion would work for the role, so I just picked one lol. Now looking back at it though, I realize it was kind of dumb of me to pick him for the vents. I also chose Miranda for the fire team leader the first time, she convinced me with her "you need to pick someone who can command loyalty through experience" line. And thankfully that didn't backfire lol

[nitefyre410]

fongiel24 wrote...

Thanks jtav, good to see you still posting. How's the writing going?

Only the best artwork will do for one of favorite ladies

Geez... where's all this stuff coming from?

 


Deviantart  my friend 

[nitefyre410]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I realize her passive is built around leadership, but I wish we could have seen Miranda's flair for tactics in-game. I honestly thought she was the bad choice for fire team leader the first time through because of the way Jack was in her face and her absolute genius for angering people.

 

As much as I like Jack most of the time I  simply ignore her outburst.  I took the time  reading the character skill profiles during the Suicide Mission , Miranda and Garrus  are to you two best bets a  Fire team leads.  I use Miranda for the first Fire team and Garrus for the Second 

Yeah you need to be careful when reading through those descriptions. When I heard that I needed a "tech specialist", I thought "Oh I need to pick someone with a bunch of tech powers". So I picked Mordin and of course he died. At the time I figured that Mordin/Tali/Legion would work for the role, so I just picked one lol. Now looking back at it though, I realize it was kind of dumb of me to pick him for the vents. I also chose Miranda for the fire team leader the first time, she convinced me with her "you need to pick someone who can command loyalty through experience" line. And thankfully that didn't backfire lol

 


Oh they said Tech Specialist and I looked right at  Legion, I was not f falling for that trick  my team consist of 

Bravo Team lead 1"  Miranda 
Tech Specialist:  Legion 
Bravo Team Lead 2: Garrrus 
Biotic Specialist: Samara   


A lot of people  like to argue against using Miranda at but I  always looked at as  her and  Garrus have two difference  leadership skill sets. For the  first part of the Suicide mission I need speed above all else. I have to keep my team at least on  valve a head of the Legion. Miranda is one thing if not  quick she will  them dropping targets and moving to next one thats the speed i need.  Garrus is better at Guerrilla tactics so I make use of the both them. I don't understand why  other people can't do that, I guess its just easier to  character bash than actually play the game and see how everyone can be used. 

[sagefic]

nitefyre410 wrote...

 

 

that is, indeed, epic. just stopping in to say hi. i love miranda. every time i start me2, i think i hate her. every time i finish, i adore the woman all over again. awesomely written character from start to finish. i love a character who's on a journey.

[Throw_this_away]

There is some very well-done art on this page.