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[FuturePasTimeCE]

VampireCommando wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

Slow today isn't it?

Lets speed it up with a question,

If Miri became the leader of cerberus what do you think she would change about the organization?

I think she would bring it into more ethical grounds in terms of what the organization does, i think she would make it simliar to a hybrid betwen the STG and the Asari Commandos, she seems to have great respect for those organizations and admires what and how they do things. I also doubt she'd be as ruthles as TIM but she would be direct and a kinda does whats nessary to get her goal acoplished, what about you guys?

 why not start her own organization, and not try and clear up the image of a rogue organization's past by being "different", doing stuff differently?

Because to start something simlar to cerberus would requir ridicuas amounts of backing from some where, not to mention she'd have to find the people willing to work for her, it would be much easier for her to take over cerberus and make the nessary changes to make it into her own organization, she would already then have the backing, the funding and the people willing to work for her, makes things much easier whilst making cerberus into a 'almost new' and diffrent organization.

"hi people of cerberus... there's new organization in the galaxy... want to work for it? it's better than Cerberus!!", person who can start a new company

[Ieldra]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
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[Ieldra]

VampireCommando wrote...
If Miri became the leader of cerberus what do you think she would change about the organization?

I think she would bring it into more ethical grounds in terms of what the organization does, i think she would make it simliar to a hybrid betwen the STG and the Asari Commandos, she seems to have great respect for those organizations and admires what and how they do things. I also doubt she'd be as ruthles as TIM but she would be direct and a kinda does whats nessary to get her goal acoplished, what about you guys?

It's difficult to use the term "more ethical" when it comes to an organization that must sometimes, perhaps often, be ruthless or it can't fulfil its tasks. There's always a trade-off. Let's say she'd curb the worst atrocities and she'll look for less problematic solutions to certain problems. Particularly the military science branch can well do with less experimentation on living subjects without losing much efficiency. That's what always bugged me - the needless cruelty. Other branches would probably stay more or less unchanged. She might think of changing the name to reflect the policy adjustment. Also, she will try to keep the organization self-sufficient and she'll refuse to accept Alliance oversight (let's not discount the possibility that Cerberus has always been part of the Alliance...).

Hmm....I'm talking as if it were all a foregone conclusion. Why does it seem so self-evident that Miranda will take over Cerberus?  

[Christmas Ape]

Particularly the military science branch can well do with less experimentation on living subjects without losing much efficiency. That's what always bugged me - the needless cruelty.

If one assumes the fate of the Saren-husk is similar to other husks, there's really no way to study mindlessly aggressive techno-zombies except "make some".

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...
If Miri became the leader of cerberus what do you think she would change about the organization?

I think she would bring it into more ethical grounds in terms of what the organization does, i think she would make it simliar to a hybrid betwen the STG and the Asari Commandos, she seems to have great respect for those organizations and admires what and how they do things. I also doubt she'd be as ruthles as TIM but she would be direct and a kinda does whats nessary to get her goal acoplished, what about you guys?

It's difficult to use the term "more ethical" when it comes to an organization that must sometimes, perhaps often, be ruthless or it can't fulfil its tasks. There's always a trade-off. Let's say she'd curb the worst atrocities and she'll look for less problematic solutions to certain problems. Particularly the military science branch can well do with less experimentation on living subjects without losing much efficiency. That's what always bugged me - the needless cruelty. Other branches would probably stay more or less unchanged. She might think of changing the name to reflect the policy adjustment. Also, she will try to keep the organization self-sufficient and she'll refuse to accept Alliance oversight (let's not discount the possibility that Cerberus has always been part of the Alliance...).

Hmm....I'm talking as if it were all a foregone conclusion. Why does it seem so self-evident that Miranda will take over Cerberus?  

Great points there Ieldra, and i don't know about Miri taking over cerberus, it just us lot speculating at the moment but who knows, maybe were onto something as it ust seems so right that she should take over cerberus.

[Ieldra]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Particularly the military science branch can well do with less experimentation on living subjects without losing much efficiency. That's what always bugged me - the needless cruelty.

If one assumes the fate of the Saren-husk is similar to other husks, there's really no way to study mindlessly aggressive techno-zombies except "make some".

Miranda says they can be made from dead bodies - though that may be TIM's propaganda. I'd have no problems with using dead bodies, but making them from living humans (or other intelligent species) is definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed. On the other side, since the things are mindless anyway, non-intelligent species might do.

[jtav]

Morning all.



I am having the strong urge to restart my game and romance Miranda. I must resist. My initial euphoria over the Talimance has faded for lack of an outlet. I think my Miranda romance Infiltrator playthrough just moved up a few notches.

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

Morning all.

I am having the strong urge to restart my game and romance Miranda. I must resist. My initial euphoria over the Talimance has faded for lack of an outlet. I think my Miranda romance Infiltrator playthrough just moved up a few notches.

:devil:

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I am having the strong urge to restart my game and romance Miranda. I must resist. My initial euphoria over the Talimance has faded for lack of an outlet. I think my Miranda romance Infiltrator playthrough just moved up a few notches.

Resistance is futile. Miranda's awesomeness conquers all.

But what did you mean with "lack of an outlet". 

[jtav]

I'm insane. I have to be. I enjoyed the Talimance while I was playing it, but now that I've finished it except for the Omega-4 relay, I find my thoughts returning to Operative Lawson and Dr. T'Soni. There are things I could say about Tali, but I don't feel comfortable on her thread.

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...
 There are things I could say about Tali, but I don't feel comfortable on her thread.

What do you mean?

[SilentOne1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...
If Miri became the leader of cerberus what do you think she would change about the organization?

I think she would bring it into more ethical grounds in terms of what the organization does, i think she would make it simliar to a hybrid betwen the STG and the Asari Commandos, she seems to have great respect for those organizations and admires what and how they do things. I also doubt she'd be as ruthles as TIM but she would be direct and a kinda does whats nessary to get her goal acoplished, what about you guys?

It's difficult to use the term "more ethical" when it comes to an organization that must sometimes, perhaps often, be ruthless or it can't fulfil its tasks. There's always a trade-off. Let's say she'd curb the worst atrocities and she'll look for less problematic solutions to certain problems. Particularly the military science branch can well do with less experimentation on living subjects without losing much efficiency. That's what always bugged me - the needless cruelty. Other branches would probably stay more or less unchanged. She might think of changing the name to reflect the policy adjustment. Also, she will try to keep the organization self-sufficient and she'll refuse to accept Alliance oversight (let's not discount the possibility that Cerberus has always been part of the Alliance...).

Hmm....I'm talking as if it were all a foregone conclusion. Why does it seem so self-evident that Miranda will take over Cerberus?  

It's probably near-impossible that Miranda could start a new Cerberus. Where would the money come from? How would recruiting go on...?

Who knows. Maybe it will happen. But Cerberus is known for getting the job done the easiest and fastest way possible, even if it means plowing over a few Turian mercs or blasting some Krogan along the way. Thats how the difference would be made, by changing mentality from Big-Bad Human-Loving Bullies into a more subdued, logical and all-loving company.

[TheSixthghoul]

jtav wrote...

I'm insane. I have to be. I enjoyed the Talimance while I was playing it, but now that I've finished it except for the Omega-4 relay, I find my thoughts returning to Operative Lawson and Dr. T'Soni. There are things I could say about Tali, but I don't feel comfortable on her thread.

At least you admit you have a problem^_^. It seems your half way to recovery.

*Afternoon everybody* All heil, Miranda!!!
                                        

[Ieldra]

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Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juin 2010 - 05:24 .

[Ieldra]

SilentOne1 wrote...
Who knows. Maybe it will happen. But Cerberus is known for getting the job done the easiest and fastest way possible, even if it means plowing over a few Turian mercs or blasting some Krogan along the way. Thats how the difference would be made, by changing mentality from Big-Bad Human-Loving Bullies into a more subdued, logical and all-loving company.

An all-loving company? Can't see that happening. It'll still be an organization working for humanity first and foremost. And it should be. In a more reasonable and maybe even subdued, certainly a more subtle way, with not needlessly antagonizing aliens, but that's about it. If it was all-loving it wouldn't need to be a black-ops organization. These are for the dirtier work. And i wouldn't have it any other way, since I like the moral ambiguity.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juin 2010 - 05:33 .

[Ieldra]

Almost impossible to believe, but I have a Miranda screenshot of a scene I believe we've not yet seen in the original size. There is one smaller version in the meme pics section, and I always thought this was one of the best shots of Miranda's face, but could never recall where it was from - the first elevator conversation in her loyalty mission:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juin 2010 - 05:42 .

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Am i in heaven?:wub:

[Kurt M.]

Miranda & Shepard = The perfect couple in ME universe.

[Christmas Ape]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Miranda says they can be made from dead bodies - though that may be TIM's propaganda. I'd have no problems with using dead bodies, but making them from living humans (or other intelligent species) is definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed. On the other side, since the things are mindless anyway, non-intelligent species might do.

This I have not heard, but last Shepard largely let Miranda keep to herself once we knew who she was. If that is possible then yeah, dead people shouldn't be hard to find, the only reason I could see getting into impalement research is to test for differences between corpse-husks and live-husks. Which I'm not saying isn't reprehensible, just...completely within the military wing playbook.

[Ieldra]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Miranda says they can be made from dead bodies - though that may be TIM's propaganda. I'd have no problems with using dead bodies, but making them from living humans (or other intelligent species) is definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed. On the other side, since the things are mindless anyway, non-intelligent species might do.

This I have not heard, but last Shepard largely let Miranda keep to herself once we knew who she was. If that is possible then yeah, dead people shouldn't be hard to find, the only reason I could see getting into impalement research is to test for differences between corpse-husks and live-husks. Which I'm not saying isn't reprehensible, just...completely within the military wing playbook.

It's implied when she defends what happened on Chasca: "They were already dead." Since she was probably not directly involved, it's possible that TIM might have lied to her.

[Ieldra]

Gladiador2 wrote...
Miranda & Shepard = The perfect couple in ME universe.

At least when Shepard is male. Miranda might not be quite as badass, but she's at least in his league. That's what I like about their romance. I would not wish to be their enemy...
If Shepard is female, Garrus is an equivalent. I can't really imagine a romance with him, but it seems there are many femShep players who think otherwise.

[STG]

What about UNC: Colony of the Dead? Entire human colony turned into husks.

[Ieldra]

STG wrote...
What about UNC: Colony of the Dead? Entire human colony turned into husks.

That's what I was talking about. UNC: Colony of the Dead took place on Chasca. When you ask Miranda about it (option "I've seen your monsters" in the conversation after the loyalty mission), she says they were already dead. This is why I think it's possible that they can be made from corpses. Not that I'd put it beyond TIM to use living subjects for making Husks, but I think he'd prefer to use aliens. Anyway, should Miranda take over Cerberus (that's where this line of the discussion started), I do not think she'd continue the practice of using living humans for experiments.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 juin 2010 - 06:29 .

[STG]

I really doubt that they were already dead, and if they were, how did they die anyway?

Miranda taking over Cerberus however? Not sure what to think. On one hand she seems capable to take control, on other I don't see TIM peacefully stepping off the throne. There is also an issue with Miranda's father and his relationship with Cerberus.

However having a strong female lead a big organization would certainly be refreshing.

[Ieldra]

STG wrote...
I really doubt that they were already dead, and if they were, how did they die anyway?

That's why I thought TIM  might have lied to Miranda about it, since I can't imagine Miranda defending it then. She may be ruthless, but still this side of the moral event horizon.

Miranda taking over Cerberus however? Not sure what to think. On one hand she seems capable to take control, on other I don't see TIM peacefully stepping off the throne. There is also an issue with Miranda's father and his relationship with Cerberus.

It all depends on the role TIM will have in ME3. Unfortunately, Miranda's relationship to TIM is tied to the decision about the base, so we may be constrained a bit. But since TIM is clearly on the evil side of the equation, even should he prove a necessary evil, I consider it likely that there will be an outcome where he won't survive ME3.

However having a strong female lead a big organization would certainly be refreshing.

Yep. QFT. In the best case, she'll also get her own spin-off game. Or book. Though a game would be better, considering the quality of existing ME books. OK, maybe it won't happen, but one can dream.