jtav wrote...
Depends. If her ME3 role boiled down to "While you were gone, I took over Cerberus. Apologies for not joining you, but I'm a bit pressed at the moment," I'd find it really hard to be angry. If it's just Horizon 2.0, I will be pissed.
Prudii Aden wrote...
On a slightly different tack - I've found the video source for the picture of Yvonne with a bokken.
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Modifié par fongiel24, 14 août 2010 - 02:10 .
Hey, her eyes are beautiful, not creepy. Look at this and tell me she hasn't the most striking eyes:Arhka wrote...
jtav wrote...
Depends. If her ME3 role boiled down to "While you were gone, I took over Cerberus. Apologies for not joining you, but I'm a bit pressed at the moment," I'd find it really hard to be angry. If it's just Horizon 2.0, I will be pissed.
Miranda as the Illusive Woman? Yes. Minus the creepy looking blue eyes though?
I think that would be feasible. The problem is, as I said, that those genes can only be accidentally connected to biotic ability, so there's the question which other traits are influenced by changing them. You may end up with a very strong biotic, but pay for it with some kind of metabolic dysfunction.fongiel24 wrote...
On the subject of genetic manipulation... What exactly is banned by Citadel conventions? I understand that adding drastic improvements or mechanisms in an organism that weren't there previously (like wings or tails on humans) is forbidden, but what about altering or improving what's already there? For example, with biotics, presumably humans naturally possess some variation of genes that allows some humans to absorb eezo and develop biotic ability. Would it be illegal to deliberately genetically engineer a fetus with this specific combination of genes?
I'm not suggesting creating a child with biotic abilities from birth, we've already established this is probably impossible, but just engineering a fetus that is guaranteed to become a strong biotic. Environmental factors always play a role, but I'm guessing genetics must too because human biotics vary in raw biotic power. If Cerberus (or someone else) could find out exactly what genes made Jack's body better able to absorb eezo and manipulate mass effect fields, would it technically be illegal to replicate that combination, considering Jack is presumably just a case of natural mutation in the human genetic code?
As I understand it, the ban on adding traits by genetic engineering is an Alliance legislation. I don't think the Council has anything to do with it. It may even differ by nations on Earth. Really, I can't imagine a consensus about this among Earth's nations. Would this be allowed by Alliance standards? Infrared vision probably not, with enhanced musculature it would depend on the degree. Probably there's a legal limit, though I have no idea about how to quantify that.Somewhat related to this... how hard would the Council come down on deliberate bioengineering intended to impart individuals with "superhuman" abilities like infrared vision or unnaturally enhanced musculature? In ME1, it's mentioned that the Alliance does some tinkering with the immune systems of its soldiers. If it wanted to tinker with a soldier to give him or her 50% greater muscle mass, would this be allowed?
Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 août 2010 - 06:14 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
Hey, her eyes are beautiful, not creepy. Look at this and tell me she hasn't the most striking eyes:
I think that would be feasible. The problem is, as I said, that those
genes can only be accidentally connected to biotic ability, so there's
the question which other traits are influenced by changing them. You may
end up with a very strong biotic, but pay for it with some kind of
metabolic dysfunction.
As I understand it, the ban on adding traits by genetic engineering is
an Alliance legislation. I don't think the Council has anything to do
with it. It may even differ by nations on Earth. Really, I can't imagine
a consensus about this among Earth's nations. Would this be allowed by
Alliance standards? Infrared vision probably not, with enhanced
musculature it would depend on the degree. Probably there's a legal
limit, though I have no idea about how to quantify that.
Modifié par fongiel24, 14 août 2010 - 08:30 .
Honestly, I was expecting Miranda to be the one who offered casual sex, not Jack. "You only want one thing from me and we both know it, so let's get it out of our system so we can focus on the task at hand." You'd then have to prove her wrong...She's accustomed to being treated as an object. Why should Shepard treat her differently? And yes, she'd be skeptical, but not fearful. Once you manage to get it through her head that you love her, she'd be willing to give a proper relationship a go. Resources permitting, I'd start the relationship before Horizon, with the turning point being her loyalty mission. Two love scenes. One just about sex and a genuine love
scene as the Omega 4 scene.
Modifié par jtav, 14 août 2010 - 01:01 .
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Yannkee wrote...
An old fan art :
It's one of my favorite, and it reminds me why I prefer her loyalty outfit.
Honestly, I was expecting Miranda to be the one who offered casual sex, not Jack. "You only want one thing from me and we both know it, so let's get it out of our system so we can focus on the task at hand."
You'd then have to prove her wrong...She's accustomed to being treated as an object. Why should Shepard treat her differently?
Modifié par Yannkee, 14 août 2010 - 01:31 .
VampireCommando wrote...
Gah how i've missed this fourm and this thread in my absence, its great to be back - well for a few hours at least - its also good to see all the familar faces are still here, you guys know who are, and its great to see more additions to the thread, now if your'll allow me to find my feet again i'll start to re- contribute
Yannkee wrote...
VampireCommando wrote...
Gah how i've missed this fourm and this thread in my absence, its great to be back - well for a few hours at least - its also good to see all the familar faces are still here, you guys know who are, and its great to see more additions to the thread, now if your'll allow me to find my feet again i'll start to re- contribute
Welcome back.
. That avatar is amazing by the way Yannkee, where did you find that? Also another piece of art from the dark horse comics, i think its a great piece;
VampireCommando wrote...
Thankyou
Think Morrigan here, not Jack, with both scenes being part of the
romance development. There's something a bit disturbing about the way
she specifically mentions her looks as something her father gave her and
therefore something that isn't really her combined with the way the
game throws her body at you. I'd prefer they tone the sexualization
down, but if they won't do that, at least tie it to her character. Have
her know exactly what effect she has on people and not be shy about
using her looks to get what she wants because she's learned that's what
works. The infamous ass shot? She's doing everything she can to make
sure you help her sister. I'd also tweak her loyalty mission and have
Miranda's father hear a rumor she's working with Shepard and plan for
him showing up alongside Miranda. Through either Enyala or Niket, he
offers you a wad of cash/a gamebreaking item to walk away. You have to
refuse to get her loyalty. The fact that Shepad helped her when he
didn't have to at cost to himself clues her in that it's not just about
sex.
Because my Shepard want to treat her differently.
And she's not
treated as an object, but as a tool to be used : it's different. She's
still human, she is treated as a tool because of her genetic
superiority. She's not a sex puppet.
Modifié par fongiel24, 14 août 2010 - 03:11 .
I'd prefer a less sexualized image of her. If you want to use what the game has given us as visual imagery, then I guess you could do worse, but still..... Can't say I really dislike it, but it's not my favorite interpretation of her character.jtav wrote...
We were discussing Miranda's hypersexualization and pups made the comment that Miranda woul initally assume a man who showed her affection was simply trying to get her into bed. My response:Honestly, I was expecting Miranda to be the one who offered casual sex, not Jack. "You only want one thing from me and we both know it, so let's get it out of our system so we can focus on the task at hand." You'd then have to prove her wrong...She's accustomed to being treated as an object. Why should Shepard treat her differently? And yes, she'd be skeptical, but not fearful. Once you manage to get it through her head that you love her, she'd be willing to give a proper relationship a go. Resources permitting, I'd start the relationship before Horizon, with the turning point being her loyalty mission. Two love scenes. One just about sex and a genuine love
scene as the Omega 4 scene.
Think Morrigan here, not Jack, with both scenes being part of the romance development. There's something a bit disturbing about the way she specifically mentions her looks as something her father gave her and therefore something that isn't really her combined with the way the game throws her body at you. I'd prefer they tone the sexualization down, but if they won't do that, at least tie it to her character. Have her know exactly what effect she has on people and not be shy about using her looks to get what she wants because she's learned that's what works. The infamous ass shot? She's doing everything she can to make sure you help her sister. I'd also tweak her loyalty mission and have Miranda's father hear a rumor she's working with Shepard and plan for him showing up alongside Miranda. Through either Enyala or Niket, he offers you a wad of cash/a gamebreaking item to walk away. You have to refuse to get her loyalty. The fact that Shepad helped her when he didn't have to at cost to himself clues her in that it's not just about sex.
fongiel24 wrote...
If someone is just copying a preexisting genetic configuration and not experimenting with new ones, there shouldn't be any problems though, provided of course that the template being copied didn't. For example, if Jack was used as a template, copying that part of her genetic code that determines biotic potential shouldn't result in developmental problems, as long as nothing else was altered.
All of this makes me wonder if other species are also engaging in genetic engineering to such a degree. The codex mentions biotics only being common amongst the asari due to their natural affinity, but if biotic ability provides such an advantage in military applications, it seems strange the turians or salarians wouldn't have attempted to "rig the deck" genetically.
jtav wrote...
And fongiel, I don't envision her actively seducing him as much as "You're attracted to me. I'm attracted to you. Let's not make more of it than this is." As for the loyalty mission, point taken.
Elyvern wrote...
Absolutely. The moment I found out that biotics (at least outside of Asari) are non-genetic in nature, I kept wondering so why hasn't anyone tried to create genetic biotics? Since the Salarians, Turians have been in contact with the Asari for hundreds of years, surely some work must've been done before? Also, remember finding that human experimental subject on Tuchanka during Mordin's LQ? That smacked of wrong to me, but there seems to be hints that human biology may have more commonalities with other xenobiology than just our useful genetic variety would suggest, and piggy-backing on that human versatility may provide inroads into the genetic biotic thing.
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