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[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

I have one MaleShep who had no romance in ME and romanced Miranda. My Liara romancing Shepard went for Miranda after I discovered Tali and Jack's romances suit me less than hers. I hope I can arrange things so that both dump him. I'm also thinking about running a genuinely pro-Cerberus Shep who is a charming sociopath, really. He goes for Miranda soley because she is hot. No emotional investment at all.

It's weird, but I'm writing Shepard like that right now, where Miranda thinks he's just a charming sociopath and that's why she presents him with that casual sex offer. I think the two ideas go quite well together. Miranda's job is to keep Shepard focused at all cost. If he's a sociopath just interested in screwing her, why not get it out of the way so he can get on with the mission?

[jtav]

Don't ask me why I create so many dysfunctional Shepards. This guy would be like a smarter Gaston. She's "the best" and doesn't he deserve the best? He's pro-Cerberus as I said, so he expects the relationship will be mutually advantageous to both. Love is a fancy name for an accident of biochemistry. I think I'll have him dump her post-SM. She doubted keeping the Collector base, and he can't abide that sort of uncertainty. Besides, he got what he wanted from her in the engine room.

Brr, that was cold.

Modifié par jtav, 16 août 2010 - 02:48 .

[fongiel24]

How do you even get through these playthroughs jtav? I'm trying to figure out if you're a sadist who likes torturing Miranda or a masochist that likes to play characters you hate. Maybe both?

[jtav]

Maybe. I have a lot of very nice Shepards that I don't talk about much. The next FemSheo I run will be a very nice woman who likes Miranda very much. I suppose I do have a sadistic streak vis a vis Miranda, stemming from very conflicting feelings about her. I hate her a little, but I also love and pity her. Can't help it. I'm killing her off with my current FemShep, but guilt over her death will spark something of a redemption for Dana Shepard. The MaleShep is an out-and-out villain. No redemption in sight.

[fongiel24]

I still haven't completed a FemShep run. I remember having a lot of trouble finishing a FemShep run for ME1 as well (I got through it eventually though). It's not that I have anything against FemShep, I think it's that by the end of ME1, the MShep I played got "locked in" for me. It's the same reason I can't play Sheploo. I've got this one custom face that I've used for every ME2 Shepard I've played and I almost always make the same decisions (although I save in spots and experiment with different decisions). The fact I like Miranda has just made it so much more difficult to play a FemShep or try another LI.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Lots of very interesting ideas about the Miranda/Shepard relationship on the last few pages. I agree with most of it so I haven't much to add....

jtav wrote...
And I thought of another, tiny change to make to the romance. When Miranda asks you to promise not to die, give the option for Shepard to attempt to extract the same promise from her because he can no more bear the thought of losing her than she can him.

fongiel24 wrote...
This reminded me of a beef I have with Shepard in general and his relationship with Miranda in particular. Miranda seems to be the only vulnerable one in the relationship. She's the one that has to open up
about her insecurities and address her fears. All Shepard seems to offer are platitudes, cheesy platitudes, and that overconfidence that I find so annoying. It would have been great to have Shepard admit to Miranda (or any of the other LIs) that the Reapers are scary, he's afraid of failure and dying sometimes, he's not bulletproof, and he needs the love and support of his LI just as much as they seem to need his.

This is what annoys about ME2's Shepard as well. Someone should tell Bioware that "larger than life" doesn't mean superhuman, especially not invulnerable, physically and emotionally. He comes across as almost inhuman at atimes. I like the way the plot has gone in ME2 for Shepard, with the Cerberus involvement and all, but in this aspect I liked the ME1 version better.

trouble is writing too much of the main character that you "play" to be locked down as a "canon" thing - i also feel that they left it too open/undefined in the sequel, but given the endless complaints about the roleplaying elsewhere on these forums, i can see why they did in this case.

[Jebel Krong]

fongiel24 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I hate this line. Even if it's a joke, it doesn't help to convince people that the romance is not a one night stand.

I prefer this : "It doesn't matter. What matters is how we feel." 

ShadowJ20 wrote...

@Yannkee Yeah I hated that line too when you select "Love?". Odd that line is placed where paragon lines are normally placed (Up top). That line seemed renegade. "It doesn't matter. What matters is how we fell." is a whole lot better.

Considering the speed at which the relationship develops, I can see why that line could be misinterpreted. It's unfortunate because I feel it works nicely to lighten the sombre mood.

yes that is the best convo choice of a bad bunch - it changes the tone of the conversation briefly and provides a bit of levity in a bleak moment - miranda's reaction and comment shows she takes it in the spirit it was meant and makes the conversation after more meaningful. i also find (unusually) that a few of the renegade lines (teasing and leading to the first kiss) work better with her than any other squaddie - mainly because they are more playful and teasing than actually 'renegade' per se.

[Jebel Krong]

Prudii Aden wrote...

On a slightly different tack - I've found the video source for the picture of Yvonne with a bokken.

nice! thanks - i hadn't seen the video before. the shoot isn't one of her best - the photos they used were the more... 'posed' ones and don't capture her natural beauty well. some of the ones they didn't originally use were really nice though - the video is even better.

[Caihn]

Miranda Paramour achievement wallpaper :

 

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
I still haven't completed a FemShep run. I remember having a lot of trouble finishing a FemShep run for ME1 as well (I got through it eventually though). It's not that I have anything against FemShep, I think it's that by the end of ME1, the MShep I played got "locked in" for me. It's the same reason I can't play Sheploo. I've got this one custom face that I've used for every ME2 Shepard I've played and I almost always make the same decisions (although I save in spots and experiment with different decisions). The fact I like Miranda has just made it so much more difficult to play a FemShep or try another LI.

Interesting. While I tend to agree with you in most debates about characters, their backgrounds and elements of the world, our playstyles couldn't be more different. The only common element is we both don't play Sheploo (or his female equivalent).  I have played seven Shepards through ME1, and six of them through ME2. My four femSheps have very distinctive looks, and I've tried the same with a little less success with the three maleSheps (mostly because of the hairstyle - the only way for a maleShep to have good-looking hair is to have no hair at all). I made a point of making different decisions at almost all of the main plot junctions, and in several of the sidequests as well, and I've played everything between an idealistic Paragon maleShep who almost can't take the pain of knowing that his decision lead to Tali's death, and a pro-Cerberus Renegade femShep who came out of the base with only humans alive. I admit it was hard to play these extremes. 

So, no, I can't say Miranda's presence has limited my playing options. Maybe it would have limited the romance options I actually used, but since both Tali and Jack aren't romance material for me this was never a problem.  

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Miranda Paramour achievement wallpaper :

 

While I like this wallpaper, I hate (and I don't use that word lightly) how the achievement is named.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I hate this line. Even if it's a joke, it doesn't help to convince people that the romance is not a one night stand.

I prefer this : "It doesn't matter. What matters is how we feel." 

ShadowJ20 wrote...

@Yannkee Yeah I hated that line too when you select "Love?". Odd that line is placed where paragon lines are normally placed (Up top). That line seemed renegade. "It doesn't matter. What matters is how we fell." is a whole lot better.

Considering the speed at which the relationship develops, I can see why that line could be misinterpreted. It's unfortunate because I feel it works nicely to lighten the sombre mood.

yes that is the best convo choice of a bad bunch - it changes the tone of the conversation briefly and provides a bit of levity in a bleak moment - miranda's reaction and comment shows she takes it in the spirit it was meant and makes the conversation after more meaningful. i also find (unusually) that a few of the renegade lines (teasing and leading to the first kiss) work better with her than any other squaddie - mainly because they are more playful and teasing than actually 'renegade' per se.

Indeed. The only drawback is that the kiss excludes "you give your father too much credit". I want to say that to her at some point. Fortunately there's a non-romance conversation that goes in the same direction ("your spirit and personality is what makes you great").

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Miranda Paramour achievement wallpaper :

 

While I like this wallpaper, I hate (and I don't use that word lightly) how the achievement is named.

I also have this version, if you prefer :

[Ieldra]

Though I would prefer a different one, I don't dislike the symbol, only the name

[jtav]

FemShep is my preference, though I've actually run more MaleSheps so far because of Miranda's romance. Three times in total, and a possible fourth that I described above.

[Elyvern]

I feel like the weird one out. I always play Sheploo, despite the fact that I don't like the skinhead look. But I just can't bring myself to play maleshep with a custom face, since in ME1 the face + voice combination's fixed for me. One consolation is there's alot more fan material out there using Sheploo as model, so I don't have to suspend my disbelief too much when I see fanart of Shep & Miri for example.

Just finished my infiltrator run and find myself still prefering soldier class. But I prefer the choices made in this one, so I'm gonna carry this save over as my "canon". LI's the same as always - Miranda, although I'm stuck on this loopy convo with Tali where she wants me to choose. It's got me a bit worried but I don't want to load a save game 20 hrs back to redo it all. Fingers crossed.

Modifié par Elyvern, 16 août 2010 - 03:06 .

[jtav]

I swear, someday I'm going to have to romance someone besides Miranda as a MaleShep in ME2. So far, I haven't been successful. I wish there wasn't such a gulf in maturity between the three LIs.

[Elyvern]

Slow going, so I'm gonna throw this out on the thread.

How private or public do you think Miranda would want her relationship with Shepard to be, both onboard the Normandy and the rest of the world in general?

For me personally, they would try to be discreet. Part of my rationale is they are both very professional people that care deeply about their work, and whatever romantic relationship they have will never take precedence over the job at hand. Which in itself is extremely sexy for me. That also means no perma-moving into each other's quarters onboard. My rationale about the engine room scene? Cerberus probably has bugs all over the ship and the engine room with the mass effect core playing havoc with electronics is probably the most bug-free place (Kasumi's voyeurism is another thing all together though!)

I know this runs contrary to the LI "either her or me" conflict where Miranda says she wants everyone to know Shepard is hers, but I just cannot buy it. It's so out of character for her; that line along with the betrayal speech at the collector's base are the two OOC moments I wish I can rationalise away.

Modifié par Elyvern, 16 août 2010 - 05:04 .

[jtav]

I think the relationship is private, but not secret. Everybody knows, but nobody says anything. On duty, it's "Commander" and "Ms. Lawson." They do their level best to adhere to protocol, possibly to hilarious levels.

[Caihn]

Elyvern wrote...

I know this runs contrary to the LI "either her or me" conflict where Miranda says she wants everyone to know Shepard is hers, but I just cannot buy it. It's so out of character for her; that line along with the betrayal speech at the collector's base are the two OOC moments I wish I can rationalise away.

I'm glad I'm one of those who can understand why she says this, and don't find this OOC.

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

I think the relationship is private, but not secret. Everybody knows, but nobody says anything. On duty, it's "Commander" and "Ms. Lawson." They do their level best to adhere to protocol, possibly to hilarious levels.

I doubt they'd be able to keep something like that secret in a ship so small. For one, Kasumi already knows the salacious details. And doing their level best onboard to stay professional with hilarious consequences would be a scream.

As for the rest of the galaxy, Shepard remains the most famous human in the galaxy,  with God knows how many stalker fans or deranged ones that go "have my babies!!!" gunning for him. While I don't think something like this would stop Miranda from "going out with their relationship, she'd likely go low-profile to avoid attention from her father and post-collector's base, not to detract sympathisers from Shepard's cause with known Cerberus connections.  

I suppose what I mean to say is no matter the desire to declare that they're both an item, she would always think of what needs to be done, and will sacrifice her personal happiness for the sake of the bigger picture. Which is part of the reason why I love her in the first place: to me, she doesn't indulge even when she can, because there's always more at stake, and she will not allow her personal needs to jeapardise what must be done.
 
What do you think?

Modifié par Elyvern, 16 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[Elyvern]

Yannkee wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

I know this runs contrary to the LI "either her or me" conflict where Miranda says she wants everyone to know Shepard is hers, but I just cannot buy it. It's so out of character for her; that line along with the betrayal speech at the collector's base are the two OOC moments I wish I can rationalise away.

I'm glad I'm one of those who can understand why she says this, and don't find this OOC.

Be my guest, I'd like hear your rationalisation.