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[jtav]

That reminds me. Would I be correct in assuming most of Miranda's romantic relationships have been casual? Emotional intimacy is pretty hard for her. I can see her having a number of relationships for no other reason than she found the other person attractive/interesting and not wanting anything more. I don't think she'd take it to Jack's destructive levels, though. One of the things I like about her is that she's clearly sexually experienced, but isn't presented in a bad light because of it, nor is there any attempt to explain it. She's also the character I could most easily see as having a somewhat unconventional sex life.

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

She doesn't have "trust issues". Why does everyone here think trusting someone is some kind of virtue? Most people are out for themselves, and only don't act against others because co-operation has more benefits in most everyday situations. So not trusting someone as a default seems a pretty reasonable attitude to me.

I meant she's likely slower to open up and put her faith in others. It's a good trait in her line of work because it keeps her alive, but a possibly negative one regarding her social and emotional life. The game doesn't show it, but I suspect if Miranda ever took a breather from her work, she'd be a very lonely person. She throws herself so fully into her work mostly because she believes in it and she feels it provides meaning for her origins, but I think it might also be because she has nothing else.

jtav wrote...

That reminds me. Would I be correct in
assuming most of Miranda's romantic relationships have been casual?
Emotional intimacy is pretty hard for her. I can see her having a
number of relationships for no other reason than she found the other
person attractive/interesting and not wanting anything more. I don't
think she'd take it to Jack's destructive levels, though. One of the
things I like about her is that she's clearly sexually experienced, but
isn't presented in a bad light because of it, nor is there any attempt
to explain it. She's also the character I could most easily see as
having a somewhat unconventional sex life.

This is probably a fair assumption. I would actually be surprised if she'd had more than one or two meaningful relationships before Shepard. I think casual relationships would require more than just physical attraction in her case though. I suspect a beautiful mind (or at least an intriguing one) is as important as physical attractiveness for Miranda. That's why I think she probably swings both ways. She's a scientist at heart and seems to be relatively pragmatic so she's probably much more aware of the arbitrary restrictions imposed on sexual behaviour by societal norms and thus less likely to be bound by them.

Modifié par fongiel24, 20 août 2010 - 08:13 .

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

That reminds me. Would I be correct in assuming most of Miranda's romantic relationships have been casual? Emotional intimacy is pretty hard for her. I can see her having a number of relationships for no other reason than she found the other person attractive/interesting and not wanting anything more. I don't think she'd take it to Jack's destructive levels, though. One of the things I like about her is that she's clearly sexually experienced, but isn't presented in a bad light because of it, nor is there any attempt to explain it. She's also the character I could most easily see as having a somewhat unconventional sex life.

You would be correct.

[jtav]

Oh, I agree the mental aspect is more important as well. She wants someone she can have an intelligent conversation with, even in a casual relationship. Curiously, I also think of her as bisexual. Increases her chances of finding someone who meets her standards. And, weel, I like the idea of the game's sex symbol cover girl going for both genders.

Modifié par jtav, 20 août 2010 - 08:22 .

[Ieldra]

I just noticed that IanPolaris has taken up his anti- Miranda crusage again, for everyone who's not fed up enough with his disingenUous assertions to continue the debate.

[Nightwriter]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I've never heard you say a word against anyone's LI. Yes, you count.

I'd like to figure out why the hell the other LI fans hate Miranda so much. Is it because they perceive her as a threat where sweet Tali and tortured Jack aren't?

Lurked a bit, figured I'd address this. In recent posts, someone mentions that the game almost tries to pressure you into picking Miranda. Personally, I can definately say that is a part of it. I don't like "default" options, and to me it feels too often in the game that Miranda's opinion/LI is what your "supposed" to do.

Another part is, well, quite frankly, Bioware listens to it's fans. Silly as it is, it's hard to get rid of that feeling of "if another li is getting attention, that threatens my li's existence for Me3". Again, it is quite silly, as both Tali and Miranda are extremely popular, and if any LI's return, imo, it will be them.

I also feel that Miranda's "I'm a cold calculating henchmen just waiting for the charming Mr. bond to come and crack open my shell" archetype is too common. Again, it is merely my opinion...I feel like I see far too many "mirandas" in gaming and movies and it's somewhat dulled me to it. I tend to go for the alternative choices.

Overall though, I don't want Miranda gone as a character. I don't like her, but you aren't supposed to like all the characters in a story. She serves her purpose, and i can certainly understand why others would favor her as a character and an LI.

Afterall.....favoritism aside, that is *quite* a wagon she's draggin'.

My two cents.

That's interesting.

This "I'm a cold calculating henchmen just waiting for the charming Mr. bond to come and crack open my shell" thing, I don't feel it's any different than ANY other romance. With Jack, what are you doing? Cracking her shell. With Tali, what are you doing? Cracking her shell almost literally. Even Ashley's path sort of follows the exact same arc.

In fact in all romances there are barriers of some kind, which is why they're interesting, so I've always found it odd when people roll their eyes at it. I basically think you can devalue any romance into something ridiculous.

And for that matter, I didn't feel any more forced into Miranda's romance than the ME1 romances. You can accidentally romance people quite easily. The only difference is there are less ass shots.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

She doesn't have "trust issues". Why does everyone here think trusting someone is some kind of virtue? Most people are out for themselves, and only don't act against others because co-operation has more benefits in most everyday situations. So not trusting someone as a default seems a pretty reasonable attitude to me.

I meant she's likely slower to open up and put her faith in others. It's a good trait in her line of work because it keeps her alive, but a possibly negative one regarding her social and emotional life. The game doesn't show it, but I suspect if Miranda ever took a breather from her work, she'd be a very lonely person. She throws herself so fully into her work mostly because she believes in it and she feels it provides meaning for her origins, but I think it might also be because she has nothing else.

You trust someone until (s)he betrays you. Doubly so in relationships. Being very careful about whom to trust your emotional wellbeing to is a *very* reasonable attitude. It's only that most people fear being alone more than they fear being betrayed. Miranda may be of the other kind.  

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just noticed that IanPolaris has taken up his anti- Miranda crusage again, for everyone who's not fed up enough with his disingenUous assertions to continue the debate.

He's not the only one.
The problem is you can't have a serious conversation on Miranda on other forum threads and avoid these stupid haters.

Modifié par Yannkee, 20 août 2010 - 08:35 .

[jtav]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just noticed that IanPolaris has taken up his anti- Miranda crusage again, for everyone who's not fed up enough with his disingenUous assertions to continue the debate.

He's not the only one.
The problem is you can't have a serious conversation on Miranda on other forum threads and avoid those stupid haters.

So my being a contrarian devil's advocate is good for something?

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just noticed that IanPolaris has taken up his anti- Miranda crusage again, for everyone who's not fed up enough with his disingenUous assertions to continue the debate.

I try hard not to be petty, but does anybody else find it a little annoying that he signs all his posts with -Polaris?

-fongiel

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just noticed that IanPolaris has taken up his anti- Miranda crusage again, for everyone who's not fed up enough with his disingenUous assertions to continue the debate.

He's not the only one.
The problem is you can't have a serious conversation on Miranda on other forum threads and avoid these stupid haters.

To give the man some credit, he's biased and he interprets Miranda in the worst possible way, but at least he's articulate enough to not qualify as a "stupid hater". I'd rather have a debate with him than that group of Talimancers who said those unspeakable things about her a while ago.

[Nightwriter]

I have not forgotten the Talimonsters...

[Caihn]

I'm tired of waiting an alternate appearance pack for Miranda so I decided to make a new version of her loyal outfit. 



What do you think ?

[Nightwriter]

I like it.

[ADLegend21]

Miranda + Black & Red= best outfit evar.

[PTSTormgarde]

Nice work Yannkee, though, I would have used a stronger red. ( How do you actually edit outfits? )

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

I'm tired of waiting an alternate appearance pack for Miranda so I decided to make a new version of her loyal outfit. 



What do you think ?

Very nice. The red lining looks much better than the standard yellow.

[Melra]

Nice work, Yannkee.

[Caihn]

Thank you, you can find the mod here : http://social.biowar.../project/3323/ 
You'll have to use TexMod.

[Melra]

Sadly, I don't feel like playing ME2 at the moment. Funny thing about my ME2 romantic things is, that I had more problems with Shepard, than I had with Miranda. I mean his words were sometimes so.... plain and annoying.

[PTSTormgarde]

Yannkee wrote...

Thank you, you can find the mod here : http://social.biowar.../project/3323/ 
You'll have to use TexMod.

O'kay, thanks.

Shepard's comments were...I lol'ed at his hyena-smile but yeah, whoever wrote Shepard's dialogue blew the whole emotional scene.

[fongiel24]

Melrache wrote...

Sadly, I don't feel like playing ME2 at the moment. Funny thing about my ME2 romantic things is, that I had more problems with Shepard, than I had with Miranda. I mean his words were sometimes so.... plain and annoying.

This isn't weird at all. Shepard's dialogue in general is often more wooden and awkward than that of the NPCs. Overall, I'd give the overall NPC dialogue in ME2 an A-, the romance dialogue a B+, and Shepard a B- in normal dialogue and a C in the romances. 

[Melra]

Yeah, that too and the ''The best thing he did was to put you on my squad'' wasn't bad line in itself, but the way it was voice acted was making me go like... ''Oh god damn Shepard, you are going to get yourself biotic thrown through that window soon, if you don't get your act straight''

[Chim3ra]

Mmmm, that giirrrrl look good!