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[snfonseka]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've never believed in this old adage. Not like this, where "you're better off remaining ignorant" is implied. If you know the truth, you inevitably lose respect for those who could know, but won't, who choose to live in what is, from your point of view, a delusion. I think Miranda's SO would need the attitude "You know you can tell me everything. I can deal with it.", and the mental and emotional fortitude to actually deal with it should she choose to tell him. She would need to be sure about that. Then, yes, she'd probably choose to censor the facts a bit.

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[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've never believed in this old adage. Not like this, where "you're better off remaining ignorant" is implied. If you know the truth, you inevitably lose respect for those who could know, but won't, who choose to live in what is, from your point of view, a delusion. I think Miranda's SO would need the attitude "You know you can tell me everything. I can deal with it.", and the mental and emotional fortitude to actually deal with it should she choose to tell him. She would need to be sure about that. Then, yes, she'd probably choose to censor the facts a bit.

This would be the ideal, but I suspect it's also why Miranda will likely end up alone and why I don't think she's had very many meaningful relationships. Anybody who can say, "You know you can tell me anything, I can deal with it," is lying, lives the same life she does, or will likely end up changed in some way.

Individuals that possess the mental and emotional fortitude to handle Miranda's nightmares and understand what she's gone through without themselves being affected aren't that common. Miranda's chances of finding such an individual are slim.

snfonseka wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

This is why as much as I want Miranda to have a happy ending, I suspect this might not be possible. Someone
who's seen as much as Miranda has will never be able to sleep
comfortably at night, knowing that all the things that go bump in the
night are very real. People like Miranda give up the things everybody
else gets to take for granted so that everyone else can continue to
live in a state of ignorant bliss. I suspect that's why Miranda is so reluctant to talk to Oriana.

Isn't
this the reason we like Miranda? Well.... at least I like her because
of this... Because of the inner strength of the character.....

Yes, but it's also likely caused her a great deal of misery. It's probably also why I find the character so fascinating and why I can still speculate and argue about her months after I finished the game. I find it tragic that although she makes so many sacrifices to protect the rest of humanity, she'll likely never be able to fully enjoy the peace and security her actions safeguard.

Damn... I'm depressed now .

[Nightwriter]

Elyvern wrote...

Hmm..that point has been raised many times, I'm surprised you just caught it, the frequent forum poster that you are.  Anyway, take heart! You can still hold on to the fact that they needn't have made Miranda quit Cerberus before the final and only fight she can die in if they didn't have something planned for her in ME3. Having her say that line just for the sole reason of appeasing Paragon players seems rather pointless to me otherwise.

Hmm.

*is cautiously more optimistic*

[snfonseka]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've never believed in this old adage. Not like this, where "you're better off remaining ignorant" is implied. If you know the truth, you inevitably lose respect for those who could know, but won't, who choose to live in what is, from your point of view, a delusion. I think Miranda's SO would need the attitude "You know you can tell me everything. I can deal with it.", and the mental and emotional fortitude to actually deal with it should she choose to tell him. She would need to be sure about that. Then, yes, she'd probably choose to censor the facts a bit.

This would be the ideal, but I suspect it's also why Miranda will likely end up alone and why I don't think she's had very many meaningful relationships. Anybody who can say, "You know you can tell me anything, I can deal with it," is lying, lives the same life she does, or will likely end up changed in some way.

Individuals that possess the mental and emotional fortitude to handle Miranda's nightmares and understand what she's gone through without themselves being affected aren't that common. Miranda's chances of finding such an individual are slim.

snfonseka wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

This is why as much as I want Miranda to have a happy ending, I suspect this might not be possible. Someone
who's seen as much as Miranda has will never be able to sleep comfortably at night, knowing that all the things that go bump in the night are very real. People like Miranda give up the things everybody else gets to take for granted so that everyone else can continue to live in a state of ignorant bliss. I suspect that's why Miranda is so reluctant to talk to Oriana.

Isn't
this the reason we like Miranda? Well.... at least I like her because
of this... Because of the inner strength of the character.....

Yes, but it's also likely caused her a great deal of misery. It's probably also why I find the character so fascinating and why I can still speculate and argue about her months after I finished the game. I find it tragic that although she makes so many sacrifices to protect the rest of humanity, she'll likely never be able to fully enjoy the peace and security her actions safeguard.

Damn... I'm depressed now .

Mentioning again:whistle:..... Shepard is there...

Sometimes in a real world there is no things as "happy endings"... no rainbows and butterfly endings.... As for Miranda (if Shep is her LI) if she loose Shepard she will probably remain single, lonly for the rest of her life. Because it is hard to find a suitable partner for her needs. Miranda probably know this...... remember what she said to Shepard during one of her romantic conversations.... she said, "Yeah. I do. So don't die! You promise me, damn it!".

Because even though she want to have a love in a life... she knows how non logical that wish is, because of her unique situation... and she knows if she loose Shepard, she won't get a second chance... She is usually a strong character who can keep her feelings hidden... but by saying ""Yeah. I do. So don't die! You promise me, damn it!" at that romance dialog... we can safely say it is one of the rare occasions where she show the world what her heart accually wants....

Modifié par snfonseka, 23 août 2010 - 10:43 .

[Elyvern]

fongiel24 wrote...

This would be the ideal, but I suspect it's also why Miranda will likely end up alone and why I don't think she's had very many meaningful relationships. Anybody who can say, "You know you can tell me anything, I can deal with it," is lying, lives the same life she does, or will likely end up changed in some way.

Individuals that possess the mental and emotional fortitude to handle Miranda's nightmares and understand what she's gone through without themselves being affected aren't that common. Miranda's chances of finding such an individual are slim.

Hence why Shepard is the only person who'd be able to stand up to Miranda toe-to-toe. Suits me just fine!

fongiel24 wrote...

Yes, but it's also likely caused her a great deal of misery. It's probably also why I find the character so fascinating and why I can still speculate and argue about her months after I finished the game. I find it tragic that although she makes so many sacrifices to protect the rest of humanity, she'll likely never be able to fully enjoy the peace and security her actions safeguard.

Damn... I'm depressed now .

Miranda is, by definition, a character that's larger-than-life, and her tribulations and victories echo and amplify that fact.  Which in turn makes her someone worth of both my admiration and sympathy.

And I'm definitely of the camp that if Shepard didn't come into her life, it's likely she'd never be able to find a partner with the emotional strength to stand up to her, or the ability to live up to her rigourous standards, and that's fine with me. She is, in every sense of the word, a one-in-a-million, an impossible act to follow, a hero. Characters like this exist so we can paint what it means to be a human on a wide canvas, and appreciate their spirit and tenacity in the light of things that will topple us lesser mortals.

[Breakdown Boy]

Writing fanfic about Miranda's/ Shepard (colony/hero) life before they met each other.



Busy with two sections at the moment:

A: Batarian attack on Mindoir/ Shep survival.

B: Miranda early teens (15-16) this covers - descovers her creation origins (and other children created by her father), relationship with Niket, education, knowledge about Cerberus etc.



Any opinions about that part of her life would be great.

[Breakdown Boy]

Elyvern wrote...



Miranda is, by definition, a character that's larger-than-life, and her tribulations and victories echo and amplify that fact.  Which in turn makes her someone worth of both my admiration and sympathy.

And I'm definitely of the camp that if Shepard didn't come into her life, it's likely she'd never be able to find a partner with the emotional strength to stand up to her, or the ability to live up to her rigourous standards, and that's fine with me. She is, in every sense of the word, a one-in-a-million, an impossible act to follow, a hero. Characters like this exist so we can paint what it means to be a human on a wide canvas, and appreciate their spirit and tenacity in the light of things that will topple us lesser mortals.

A bit grand, but I agree, she needs a man that she can admire and respect. I think that's why it didn't work out between her and Jacob, he might be physically up to the task but in other departments he just wasn't man enough. I tend to believe healthy romantic relationships have the man that can humbly take the lead, Shepard can lead Miranda.

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

i was bored soooo

www.youtube.com/watch

tried picking the sappiest love song

Modifié par DeckardWasAReplicant, 23 août 2010 - 11:25 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've never believed in this old adage. Not like this, where "you're better off remaining ignorant" is implied. If you know the truth, you inevitably lose respect for those who could know, but won't, who choose to live in what is, from your point of view, a delusion. I think Miranda's SO would need the attitude "You know you can tell me everything. I can deal with it.", and the mental and emotional fortitude to actually deal with it should she choose to tell him. She would need to be sure about that. Then, yes, she'd probably choose to censor the facts a bit.

This would be the ideal, but I suspect it's also why Miranda will likely end up alone and why I don't think she's had very many meaningful relationships. Anybody who can say, "You know you can tell me anything, I can deal with it," is lying, lives the same life she does, or will likely end up changed in some way.

Individuals that possess the mental and emotional fortitude to handle Miranda's nightmares and understand what she's gone through without themselves being affected aren't that common. Miranda's chances of finding such an individual are slim.

Of course it will affect you. I never said it shouldn't. You do change from experiences, even if they are second-hand. The question is, how? Will you have the fortitude to continue your life and find meaning in what you do regardless? Will you find something else to do and find meaning in that? Or will you be torn apart by it? Really, I don't think any intelligent person can look at the world and not suspect that there are nightmares beneath the surface of our everyday experiences. I can't understand how anyone can even remotely believe in the concept of a comforting illusion. And, yes, I do believe it's possible to have enough empathy to understand and enough mental fortitude not to be destroyed by it.

(As an aside, coming from an CoC rpg session, I have never understood why the people in J.P.Lovecraft's stories go insane because the world isn't as they thought, uncomfortable as it is to accept that the universe is ruled by eldritch abominations who don't care about humanity. You experience new truths, you adapt. That's the mark of maturity)  

fongiel24 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
This is why as much as I want Miranda to have a happy ending, I suspect this might not be possible. Someone
who's seen as much as Miranda has will never be able to sleep comfortably at night, knowing that all the things that go bump in the night are very real. People like Miranda give up the things everybody else gets to take for granted so that everyone else can continue to live in a state of ignorant bliss. I suspect that's why Miranda is so reluctant to talk to Oriana.

Isn't this the reason we like Miranda? Well.... at least I like her because of this... Because of the inner strength of the character.....

Yes, but it's also likely caused her a great deal of misery. It's probably also why I find the character so fascinating and why I can still speculate and argue about her months after I finished the game. I find it tragic that although she makes so many sacrifices to protect the rest of humanity, she'll likely never be able to fully enjoy the peace and security her actions safeguard.

She'll take her moments, I'm sure, and they'll be all the more precious because they'll be rare. I do not believe that people like Miranda are doomed to a depressing life. She will never be content with a life that doesn't touch what's going on behind the scenes, but she will have her happy moments. And not alone if she doesn't want to.

[IndigoWolfe]

Quick, Miranda has gone into labor at the classic sci-fi moment of inopportunity! Who is the emergency midwife? Poll

[Ieldra]

IndigoWolfe wrote...
Quick, Miranda has gone into labor at the classic sci-fi moment of inopportunity! Who is the emergency midwife? Poll

Really, was that necessary? *ignores poll*

Ah, and BTW: Miranda won't ever leave these thing to chance!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 août 2010 - 12:34 .

[Elyvern]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Quick, Miranda has gone into labor at the classic sci-fi moment of inopportunity! Who is the emergency midwife? Poll

This deserves a HUH!?

[Breakdown Boy]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Quick, Miranda has gone into labor at the classic sci-fi moment of inopportunity! Who is the emergency midwife? Poll

Left out Chakwas......

[snfonseka]

[quote]Ieldra2 wrote...
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Yes, but it's also likely caused her a great deal of misery. It's probably also why I find the character so fascinating and why I can still speculate and argue about her months after I finished the game. I find it tragic that although she makes so many sacrifices to protect the rest of humanity, she'll likely never be able to fully enjoy the peace and security her actions safeguard.[/quote]
She'll take her moments, I'm sure, and they'll be all the more precious because they'll be rare. I do not believe that people like Miranda are doomed to a depressing life. She will never be content with a life that doesn't touch what's going on behind the scenes, but she will have her happy moments. And not alone if she doesn't want to.
[/quote]

She will have her happy "moments"... but as for a long term relationship... it will be hard to find someone who can really understand her or what she have gone through...

[Ieldra]

snfonseka wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
Yes, but it's also likely caused her a great deal of misery. It's probably also why I find the character so fascinating and why I can still speculate and argue about her months after I finished the game. I find it tragic that although she makes so many sacrifices to protect the rest of humanity, she'll likely never be able to fully enjoy the peace and security her actions safeguard.

She'll take her moments, I'm sure, and they'll be all the more precious because they'll be rare. I do not believe that people like Miranda are doomed to a depressing life. She will never be content with a life that doesn't touch what's going on behind the scenes, but she will have her happy moments. And not alone if she doesn't want to.

She will have her happy "moments"... but as for a long term relationship... it will be hard to find someone who can really understand her or what she have gone through...

That's why I think it's likely she'll end up with someone with a job not too different from her own. Likely, but not certain. You never know what people can, or cannot, understand. I think if they're willing, many people can, and don't believe the "I don't want to know" types are as common as fongiel seems to believe. I think Miranda's own high standards are the biggest factor in the question of how difficult it is for her to find a long-term relationship. Understanding is not so rare. Her own level of competence, paired with it, that may be. Still no reason for depressing thoughts. In my games she's almost always with Shepard, but I'd pair her with Kaidan in a blink and think it would be an extremely successful match. High-tension for a time, though, until they've worked through their differences about Cerberus and recognized that ultimately they work for the same goal.

BTW: as hard as it is for some to fathom, she might just be happy without a relationship.

[Jebel Krong]

chuck's cool, but i'd want a guy like shepard if the universe needed saving. so many of his character problems come down to the need to remain as "open" and as much of a blank slate as possible rather than any lack...



can't remember if i posted this before i lost all my other screenshots or not:

[Jebel Krong]

deviantart:







source: here

[Ieldra]

yorkj86 wrote...
Have you discussed this Miranda Lawson cosplay yet?

Hey, Yvonne Strahovski is the only real Miranda....

Seriously, it's not bad. not bad at all. One photo even has a halfway believable scenery, complete with effects. The figure's also nice, and an excellent omni-tool have they built. Only the face doesn't fit, and I would've preferred the black outfit.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 août 2010 - 02:15 .

[jtav]

I'm about as skeptical as fongiel regarding the long term prospects of Miranda/Shepard, though I agree that Miranda/Kaidan would be almost too perfect. My ideal partner for her would be someone who is familiar with the covert ops world, but isn't a field agent.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm about as skeptical as fongiel regarding the long term prospects of Miranda/Shepard....

Yeah, but for very different reasons. I gather it's more the differences in temperament and general character that make you think so. If so, then I can agree to a point. 

I think how I judge the prospects of Miranda/Shepard will depend very much on the epilogues we're going to get in ME3 (which may just satisfy me). And whether or not there is some more freedom in roleplaying him (of which I'm not so confident).

[snfonseka]

Ieldra2 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
Yes, but it's also likely caused her a great deal of misery. It's probably also why I find the character so fascinating and why I can still speculate and argue about her months after I finished the game. I find it tragic that although she makes so many sacrifices to protect the rest of humanity, she'll likely never be able to fully enjoy the peace and security her actions safeguard.

She'll take her moments, I'm sure, and they'll be all the more precious because they'll be rare. I do not believe that people like Miranda are doomed to a depressing life. She will never be content with a life that doesn't touch what's going on behind the scenes, but she will have her happy moments. And not alone if she doesn't want to.

She will have her happy "moments"... but as for a long term relationship... it will be hard to find someone who can really understand her or what she have gone through...

That's why I think it's likely she'll end up with someone with a job not too different from her own. Likely, but not certain. You never know what people can, or cannot, understand. I think if they're willing, many people can, and don't believe the "I don't want to know" types are as common as fongiel seems to believe. I think Miranda's own high standards are the biggest factor in the question of how difficult it is for her to find a long-term relationship. Understanding is not so rare. Her own level of competence, paired with it, that may be. Still no reason for depressing thoughts. In my games she's almost always with Shepard, but I'd pair her with Kaidan in a blink and think it would be an extremely successful match. High-tension for a time, though, until they've worked through their differences about Cerberus and recognized that ultimately they work for the same goal.

BTW: as hard as it is for some to fathom, she might just be happy without a relationship.

[jtav]

Kaidan would be great for her. They're both highly professional introverts who prefer to analyze situations and refuse to wear their heart on their sleeve. They work for organizations that aren't really worthy of them. He's more idealistic than she is, but isn't stupid about it. They'd be like peanut butter and jelly. I also like her with Thane and Liara, though the lifespan differences preclude a true long-term relationship. Not that I expect Miranda to die in bed. Shepard isn't the only game in town, in any case.

[snfonseka]

yorkj86 wrote...

Have you discussed this Miranda Lawson cosplay yet?

Nice.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Because I feel like trolling you guys!



Nah, don't worry. It's just a screenshot from my favorite scene with Miranda.

Enjoy!