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[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Did you consider "biotic blue"?

Thank you. Archived. You're fast with these things.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Definitely. But I think Miranda may make an extremely good figure as the leader of a mysterious secret organization that does shadowy work for humanity, with very limited, but not non-existent media presence. The fact that she's a beautiful woman will add greatly to the organization's aura of mystery. There will be so many rumors that the truth will be totally obscured by them. Every time some inconsequential fact becomes public, there will be a new round of baseless speculation in the tabloids, and the extranet will teem with fake "unauthorized biographies" of her. No one will, of course, deny anything.   

The veritable "Illusive Woman", but with an emphasis on the "covert" rather than "shady" aspect.

I suspect I'd agree, but I'm unsure of the associations evoked by the term "illusive":

Very much so, hence my pet scenario where she would be an ideal person to run the Alliance's black ops & intel agency and can therefore provide Shepard off-the-book support for his work as a Spectre, an Alliance ship captain or whatever he chooses to do. Fongiel did mention that if such an organisation is anywhere as public
as the Salarian STG, Miranda's Cerberus' past may pose a problem. But
if the officials deny the existence of such an agency, her checkered
reputation may actually enhance the veracity of such an organisation.

You're not the only one. jtav and I have had the same vision for quite some time, possibly differring a bit in details. Regarding her role, not necessarily Shepard's. I don't know yet what I'll envision my Shepards to do after the big conflict is ended. I won't limit my imagination to the Spectres, though - the Council really isn't the most appealing employer after all they didn't do.

Damn, I swore never to write another fanfic. Stop putting ideas into my head!

Why, is writing fanfic bad for you? I think we'd all appreciate another good Miranda story. There are too few of them.

[Khirzask]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Did you consider "biotic blue"?

Very nice, this is now the new wallpaper for my mobile!

[PTSTormgarde]

Khirzask wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Did you consider "biotic blue"?

Very nice, this is now the new wallpaper for my mobile!

Dig out some sounds and you can make your own Miranda ring-tone or message warning.
Cheers for Yannkee's photoshopping awesomeness.

Modifié par PTSTormgarde, 25 août 2010 - 06:21 .

[Prudii Aden]

Couple of interesting fan art from the appearance pack thread:

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't want that. I think the Alliance needs a secret organization that works mostly for humanity's interests, and I'm not sure if including Liara would be possible there. Also, some ethically questionable projects will remain by necessity - while the "we don't care at all about individual humans" attitude will be mostly gone, such an organization cannot remain morally clean. Also I like Miranda's moral ambguity, her element of consequentialism. A mostly Paragon Miranda wouldn't be the person I've come to like anymore.
 

My problem with Miranda working too closely with the Alliance is again, her Cerberus links. There's been a lot of speculation on these boards and likely in the ME world that Cerberus is secretly still under Alliance control. These rumours don't make things any easier for the Alliance (true or not) when it comes to cooperating with other races, particularly as the Alliance is viewed with suspicion by many aliens (particularly if Shepard let the Destiny Ascension get destroyed). If Miranda forms her own organization or takes over Cerberus, they could only be linked to the Alliance on the most tenuous level. The Alliance really can't afford to have the media or anyone else find out they have ex-Cerberus personnel (or Cerberus itself) working for them. From an intergalactic relations standpoint, Cerberus really is that poisonous.

For the moment, with the Reapers still out there, I think intergalactic interests and survival trump human/Alliance interests. Cooperation between the races is more important than helping humanity get a leg up. Although Miranda holds somewhat of a humanity-first attitude (without the racism), I think she would realize this. Until the Reapers are defeated, coalition building is in humanity's best interest. In ME2 Shepard and Cerberus manage to get the job done without help, but they'll need the rest of the galaxy to back them up in the end.

When I was talking about Miranda forming her own organization working with Liara and possibly using other alien assets, I meant for this specific purpose - fighting the Reapers and removing any obstacles to cooperation between the different races. When the Reaper threat is gone, Miranda would go her own way. She might not be a racist, but she does what she does to safeguard humanity's interests first.

Miranda's not a Paragon, but she's significantly less ruthless than TIM. TIM doesn't seem to have any real limits as to what he'll do to get the job done. Miranda clearly does. Miranda's organization would be forced to do some things that are in the grey area, as all black ops-type units do, but I'm not so sure that she'd be willing to stray outright into more clearly ethically questionable territory as often as Cerberus and TIM.

[fongiel24]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Couple of interesting fan art from the appearance pack thread:

I really like that second one. It looks perfect as a less high-profile outfit for more covert missions. The first one looks okay (it kinda resembles asari commando armour), but the blue orb in the middle of her chest would have to go (it makes her look like Tony Stark) and I prefer her with sleeves.

I think the second one has a better chance of making it in because the design resembles her existing uniform more closely. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but so far all the appearance packs seem to be little more than recolours of the characters' existing armour.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I don't want that. I think the Alliance needs a secret organization that works mostly for humanity's interests, and I'm not sure if including Liara would be possible there. Also, some ethically questionable projects will remain by necessity - while the "we don't care at all about individual humans" attitude will be mostly gone, such an organization cannot remain morally clean. Also I like Miranda's moral ambguity, her element of consequentialism. A mostly Paragon Miranda wouldn't be the person I've come to like anymore.

My problem with Miranda working too closely with the Alliance is again, her Cerberus links. There's been a lot of speculation on these boards and likely in the ME world that Cerberus is secretly still under Alliance control. These rumours don't make things any easier for the Alliance (true or not) when it comes to cooperating with other races, particularly as the Alliance is viewed with suspicion by many aliens (particularly if Shepard let the Destiny Ascension get destroyed). If Miranda forms her own organization or takes over Cerberus, they could only be linked to the Alliance on the most tenuous level. The Alliance really can't afford to have the media or anyone else find out they have ex-Cerberus personnel (or Cerberus itself) working for them. From an intergalactic relations standpoint, Cerberus really is that poisonous.

You don't need to tell me about that particular danger. We've had it all here in Germany - n*zi continuity in the 50s and 60s, Stasi continuity in the 90s up to the present day. There are always people making a fuss and media looking for scandals, but as long as you haven't been involved in any known crimes, the fuss also dies down rather quickly again. And if MIranda plays a role in the defeat of the Reapers, then the public picture - if there is such a thing - will be completely different anyway. I don't say it's not going to be a problem, but there are ways around it. 
I think Miranda will want to work for humanity. If that means ties to the Alliance of not, is still unclear. And btw, there are no intergalactic relations - everyone's still living in the same galaxy. Except for the Reapers.

For the moment, with the Reapers still out there, I think intergalactic interests and survival trump human/Alliance interests. Cooperation between the races is more important than helping humanity get a leg up. Although Miranda holds somewhat of a humanity-first attitude (without the racism), I think she would realize this. Until the Reapers are defeated, coalition building is in humanity's best interest. In ME2 Shepard and Cerberus manage to get the job done without help, but they'll need the rest of the galaxy to back them up in the end.

Agreed.

When I was talking about Miranda forming her own organization working with Liara and possibly using other alien assets, I meant for this specific purpose - fighting the Reapers and removing any obstacles to cooperation between the different races. When the Reaper threat is gone, Miranda would go her own way. She might not be a racist, but she does what she does to safeguard humanity's interests first.

Ah....I didn't understand but. But though the idea is interesting, I don't agree. The ME games present a very compressed timeline - a fact I have complained about every chance I got - and I don't think there will be time to form any kind of organization with a long reach. The conflict will be over before it could be half formed.

Miranda's not a Paragon, but she's significantly less ruthless than TIM. TIM doesn't seem to have any real limits as to what he'll do to get the job done. Miranda clearly does. Miranda's organization would be forced to do some things that are in the grey area, as all black ops-type units do, but I'm not so sure that she'd be willing to stray outright into more clearly ethically questionable territory as often as Cerberus and TIM.

I'd leave that to everyone's imagination, for everyone draws the line a bit differently. I'm very much convinced that Miranda wouldn't create something like the Teltin facility, but as for experimenting on someone who's betrayed her - like TIM does with Grayson in Retribution - I won't rule that out completely.

[Ieldra]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Very nice!!!! I like it a lot. A more civilian or under-cover outfit. Something for the Normandy or on hub missions. I'm going to repost this one in the Appearance Pack wishlist. Already done by someone else.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 août 2010 - 07:23 .

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

Very nice!!!! I'm going to repost this one in the Appearance Pack wishlist.

This is nice, but it's not something she could use during combat or in hostile environment.
I still prefer a light combat suit/armor.

[Ieldra]

Heh...see my edit, Yannkee. You posted with seconds of it....

[Lord Ed1]

What do we reckon are the odds of Miranda being featured in the new appearance pack?

[Jebel Krong]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Did you consider "biotic blue"?

hey, now that's much better - very nice!

[Ieldra]

Lord Ed1 wrote...
What do we reckon are the odds of Miranda being featured in the new appearance pack?

Rather good, I think. Lots of people seem to want something for Miranda, if the wishlist thread is any indication. It may depend on whether or not they're going to make new models. Nobody of those who posted will be satisfied with a retexture, so if they aren't prepared to make new models, it may happen we won't get anything.

[fongiel24]

The hair's going to be a big problem. I don't think we're ever going to see Miranda get a helmet because of the hair.

[Jebel Krong]

you won't get new or even modified models. not for an appearance pack. for a dlc (like liara in the new one), maybe but it would probably have to be focused on those characters.

[Caihn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

you won't get new or even modified models. not for an appearance pack. for a dlc (like liara in the new one), maybe but it would probably have to be focused on those characters.

The alternate outfit of Jack in the 1st appearance pack is a new model.

And I think the reason why Bioware ask the fans to suggest ideas, is because they considered the bad reviews of the first pack. I think they want to give something better than a simple reskin of existing models.

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 août 2010 - 09:38 .

[Prudii Aden]

I just hope they don't turn her blonde. Yvonne works it (and then some!), but I don't think it would work for Miranda.

[Caihn]

Prudii Aden wrote...

I just hope they don't turn her blonde. Yvonne works it (and then some!), but I don't think it would work for Miranda.

Yeah, I already posted in the thread that this idea is ridiculous, and Miri fans don't want that.

[jtav]

Blonde hair looks ridiculous in the engine. If it weren't for that, I'd rather she be a blonde.



I think I may have worked out a way to get DLC. You can download it from another computer and transfer using a flash drive, right?

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Blonde hair looks ridiculous in the engine. If it weren't for that, I'd rather she be a blonde.

I think I may have worked out a way to get DLC. You can download it from another computer and transfer using a flash drive, right?

That should work. When you purchase the DLC I think you have to specify whether it's for 360 or PC. Provided a 360 can read a flash drive (I don't have a 360), it should just be a matter of transferring it from your PC to your 360. Copy protection is linked to your account and not your PC/360 so there shouldn't be any verification required once you downloaded it, so long as you're logged into the Cerberus network.

You're really excited about LotSB eh, jtav?

Modifié par fongiel24, 25 août 2010 - 10:13 .

[jtav]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Blonde hair looks ridiculous in the engine. If it weren't for that, I'd rather she be a blonde.

I think I may have worked out a way to get DLC. You can download it from another computer and transfer using a flash drive, right?

That should work. When you purchase the DLC I think you have to specify whether it's for 360 or PC. Provided a 360 can read a flash drive (I don't have a 360), it should just be a matter of transferring it from your PC to your 360.

You're really excited about LotSB eh, jtav?

It doesn't work on the 360, but I've been thinking of getting the PC version so I can use the save editor. And it's not just LotSB. I also want future bridging content and Kasumi. The DLC business model is a pain, but it's becoming more and more common.

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

Blonde hair looks ridiculous in the engine. If it weren't for that, I'd rather she be a blonde.

You can prefer an another hair color, it's not the problem.
Miri has been created brunette, all promotional images represent her as a brunette. To want to have an another hair color in an alternate appearance pack is ridiculous and it would be a mess. I want an alternate outfit, not something I could only explained by the fact that she wears a wig.

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 août 2010 - 10:23 .

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

It doesn't work on the 360, but I've been thinking of getting the PC version so I can use the save editor. And it's not just LotSB. I also want future bridging content and Kasumi. The DLC business model is a pain, but it's becoming more and more common.

The PC is worth getting just for the ability to use the Gibbed editor and play with the settings in the coalesced.ini file. Being able to customize the game has extended its playability a lot for me. If it weren't for Gibbed and coalesced editing I would have stopped playing ME2 months ago.

Yannkee wrote...

jtav wrote...

Blonde hair looks ridiculous in the engine. If it weren't for that, I'd rather she be a blonde.

You can prefer an another hair color, it's not the problem.
Miri
has been created brunette, all promotional images represent her as a
brunette. To want to have an another hair color in an alternate
appearance pack is ridiculous and it would be a mess. I want an
alternate outfit, not something I could only explained by the fact that
she wears a wig.

The blonde does look a little ridiculous but it's possible within the game canon. Revelation and Ascension both talk about how it's even possible to change skin pigmentation temporarily with pills.

Speaking of alternate appearances, this is a stupid request, but has anybody ever seen fanart of Miranda with her hair up? I'm not asking for it in DLC, just out of curiosity.

Modifié par fongiel24, 25 août 2010 - 10:31 .

[Caihn]

If they make Miranda blond I won't even consider buying the DLC.

Miri is a brunette and always will be.