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[Breakdown Boy]

[quote]fongiel24 wrote...
1. I really don't know. I'm willing to leave it at Miranda's explanation
- he was trying to build a dynasty and Miranda and her sisters were
meant to be the heirs to that dynasty.

2. Somebody else has
probably already suggested this somewhere (if so, I'm sorry for
plagiarizing), but my guess would be Oriana's birth/creation. If Miranda
is intended to be an heir, Oriana would have been created either to
supplant Miranda (meaning Miranda was unable to meet her father's
expectations) or act as a backup in case Miranda proved inadequate.

Regardless
of the reasons for Oriana's creation, her father seeking to create a
potential replacement for her would make Miranda realize the extent of
her father's madness and the impossibility of ever meeting his
expectations (although knowing how intelligent Miranda is, she likely
suspected this already). Not wanting to end up like her older "sisters"
and unwilling to allow her father to subject Oriana to the same trials
he put her through, Miranda finally decided to grab Oriana and make a
run for it.
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This is similair to the plot I had in my mind. It is difficult to balance the attributes of her father. Him giving her 'everything she ever wanted' but also minipulating her with those gifts. I am leaning towards Miranda being decieved by her father's love but also suspecting something is wrong and finally descovering the truth.

Modifié par Breakdown Boy, 26 août 2010 - 10:16 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...
It doesn't work on the 360, but I've been thinking of getting the PC version so I can use the save editor. And it's not just LotSB. I also want future bridging content and Kasumi. The DLC business model is a pain, but it's becoming more and more common.

The PC is worth getting just for the ability to use the Gibbed editor and play with the settings in the coalesced.ini file. Being able to customize the game has extended its playability a lot for me. If it weren't for Gibbed and coalesced editing I would have stopped playing ME2 months ago.

Agreed. This also goes for other games. So many little annoyances can be removed with a bit of careful editing. DAO: make Leliana's face look less pinched, unclothed love scenes, get the party's equipment chest in your camp - I never play without these. ME2: editing resources so you don't have to mine planets. Open the galaxy so you can recruit Samara, Tali and Thane and even Legion early to take them to your favorite missions (where they actually have something to say, so it's not as if the game wasn't intended that way at some time), temporarily edit Paragon/Renegade points to solve situations as you like without having to play for the numbers in other situations.   

And that's only the start. For Oblivion, the modded content outstrips the original content by a factor of 10 at the very least, and not only in quantity but also in quality. FO3 goes in the same direction, and BG2 only doesn't count because it didn't have a console version in the first place. For everyone who tends to stick to a game for longer than a month or two, the PC version is totally worth the additional money you spend on the better hardware you need to play.

[Ieldra]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

snfonseka wrote...
I prefer if her skin is more tanned....

She spent two years on a space station (no sun), and I don't think Miranda is the type of person to use self tan or spend any amount of time in a sun bed.

Yes. Also, much against the current trend, I find pale skin and black (or very dark) hair more attractive than any other combination. Spending too much time in the sun is unhealthy anyway 

So, no tanned Miranda and no blonde Miranda, please. Blonde hair looks ugly in the game anyway. If there will be an option for a blonde Miranda in a DLC, and it's separate from the outfit itself, I think I could live with it, but I wonder if we could come to a consenses about not allowing screenshots of blonde Miranda in this thread. Because as far as I'm concerned, it's another woman. I think while she won't hesitate to dye her hair or use a wig if a mission requires it, she's unlikely to do it where she doesn't need to.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 août 2010 - 08:59 .

[snfonseka]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

snfonseka wrote...
I prefer if her skin is more tanned....

She spent two years on a space station (no sun), and I don't think Miranda is the type of person to use self tan or spend any amount of time in a sun bed.

Yes. Also, much against the current trend, I find pale skin and black (or very dark) hair more attractive than any other combination. Spending too much time in the sun is unhealthy anyway 

So, no tanned Miranda and no blonde Miranda, please. Blonde hair looks ugly in the game anyway. If there will be an option for a blonde Miranda in a DLC, and it's separate from the outfit itself, I think I could live with it, but I wonder if we could come to a consenses about not allowing screenshots of blonde Miranda in this thread. Because as far as I'm concerned, it's another woman. I think while she won't hesitate to dye her hair or use a wig if a mission requires it, she's unlikely to do it where she doesn't need to.

Even though I like black hair, I prefer tanned skin over that pale skin. I think that tanned skin will make Miranda appear more "live and attactive" in the game... Pale skin reminds me vampires, sometimes....

[Elyvern]

fongiel24 wrote...

Shepard is probably a Marine, rather than a Navy officer, given his vocational code (N7). As for the original Normandy, its ground crew consisted of Shepard, Kaidan, Jenkins/Ashley, and likely a few others. If you recall, there were always two marines stationed outside the briefing room and one at the top of each staircase. Being a frigate, the Normandy will only carry a small contingent of marines (Revelation talks about this a bit) so a complement of seven marines sounds very plausible.

Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense now.

Shepard and Miranda may not have to slow down for a while. They've both been enhanced extensively and in Ascension it's mentioned that humans don't deteriorate physically as quickly as they do in the present. In Ascension I believe it's even mentioned that human women can have children naturally in their 80s (?!). I hate to be a pessimist, but given the amount of combat Shepard sees, I'd be surprised to see him still alive in ten years. He does seem to beat the odds on a regular basis but the odds of his living to see old age, much less dying in bed aren't fantastic. (Yes, I realize he's a fictional character but sometimes it's fun to apply real world rules into a fictional world)

The reason why I brought the possibility of a career change for Shepard is the more I think about it, the more the suicide mission feels like a guerilla strike to me, and not so much the opening salvo to the reaper war. Despite how much I like the TPS combat system in the game, commando strikes isn't going to win the war. (if it did, it would be awfully anti-climatic). Winning over factions like the Quarians, Geth and Rachni to his side is likely the only way to go. In my universe, Shepard eventually realises that decisions that ultimately count aren't made on the battle field, but rather in conference rooms-- forging alliances, drawing up legislation, only then sending the grunts in to enforce them. The question would then be would he be able to survive the journey to make those decisions for the galaxy, or is he too much of an old dog to teach new tricks to?  I suppose  you can think of this as a response to the scenario that Shepard may have set the bar so high that he basically puts everyone, including himself, out of a job after that.  

[Elyvern]

Love to help you, breakdown boy, but I actually haven't given much thought to this, so instead, I'll respond to fongiel's post and see if you can glean any information from it.

fongiel24 wrote...

2. Somebody else has probably already suggested this somewhere (if so, I'm sorry for plagiarizing), but my guess would be Oriana's birth/creation. If Miranda is intended to be an heir, Oriana would have been created either to supplant Miranda (meaning Miranda was unable to meet her father's expectations) or act as a backup in case Miranda proved inadequate.

Definitely, whatever Mr. Lawson's plans are, it is an ongoing process. There's also a certain sense of poignancy that while Miranda was genetically created to be perfect, Oriana's existence would mean she still wasn't good enough.

Regardless of the reasons for Oriana's creation, her father seeking to create a potential replacement for her would make Miranda realize the extent of her father's madness and the impossibility of ever meeting his expectations (although knowing how intelligent Miranda is, she likely suspected this already). Not wanting to end up like her older "sisters" and unwilling to allow her father to subject Oriana to the same trials he put her through, Miranda finally decided to grab Oriana and make a run for it.

This is the part I find puzzling. It wouldn't be a far stretch to assume Miranda knows her father will not stop simply because Oriana was taken away, and may give orders for more copies to be made. Her decision to escape and take Oriana with her is unmistakably a short-term and emotional solution. It doesn't  nip the bud of the problem. And yet all these years, she's been walking around with that albatross around her neck, and hasn't done a thing about it. Assuming the lapse of almost twenty years, God knows what horrors she'd find when she finally gets to the heart of the operation -- possibly even a secret clone army if we're given free rein to speculate.

Modifié par Elyvern, 26 août 2010 - 10:40 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Elyvern wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Shepard is probably a Marine, rather than a Navy officer, given his vocational code (N7). As for the original Normandy, its ground crew consisted of Shepard, Kaidan, Jenkins/Ashley, and likely a few others. If you recall, there were always two marines stationed outside the briefing room and one at the top of each staircase. Being a frigate, the Normandy will only carry a small contingent of marines (Revelation talks about this a bit) so a complement of seven marines sounds very plausible.

Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense now.

Shepard and Miranda may not have to slow down for a while. They've both been enhanced extensively and in Ascension it's mentioned that humans don't deteriorate physically as quickly as they do in the present. In Ascension I believe it's even mentioned that human women can have children naturally in their 80s (?!). I hate to be a pessimist, but given the amount of combat Shepard sees, I'd be surprised to see him still alive in ten years. He does seem to beat the odds on a regular basis but the odds of his living to see old age, much less dying in bed aren't fantastic. (Yes, I realize he's a fictional character but sometimes it's fun to apply real world rules into a fictional world)

The reason why I brought the possibility of a career change for Shepard is the more I think about it, the more the suicide mission feels like a guerilla strike to me, and not so much the opening salvo to the reaper war. Despite how much I like the TPS combat system in the game, commando strikes isn't going to win the war. (if it did, it would be awfully anti-climatic). Winning over factions like the Quarians, Geth and Rachni to his side is likely the only way to go. In my universe, Shepard eventually realises that decisions that ultimately count aren't made on the battle field, but rather in conference rooms-- forging alliances, drawing up legislation, only then sending the grunts in to enforce them. The question would then be would he be able to survive the journey to make those decisions for the galaxy, or is he too much of an old dog to teach new tricks to?  I suppose  you can think of this as a response to the scenario that Shepard may have set the bar so high that he basically puts everyone, including himself, out of a job after that.  

I suspect that Shepard won't be spending his time negotiating deals with Council races, he will most likley have to convince the council and a new threat will emerge, most likely connected to the sun close to Tali recruitment mission planet (can't remember).  This will require the work of a spectre. Maybe we could even see other spectre's entering the game world.

So Shepard's role will stay with using what he has (combit and leadership skills) to take the fight to the reapers (or new reaper ally). He is a soldier, a leader of soldiers but he isn't a politician, well at least not yet.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

 
So, no tanned Miranda and no blonde Miranda, please. Blonde hair looks ugly in the game anyway. If there will be an option for a blonde Miranda in a DLC, and it's separate from the outfit itself, I think I could live with it, but I wonder if we could come to a consenses about not allowing screenshots of blonde Miranda in this thread. Because as far as I'm concerned, it's another woman. I think while she won't hesitate to dye her hair or use a wig if a mission requires it, she's unlikely to do it where she doesn't need to.

this

But, the problem is : if you activate all graphics effects of the game Miranda will appear paler than she should. Her face textures are paler than the other characters but not as pale as they appear in the game.

The second screenshot is more accurate with the pallor level of the face textures.






And it's also correspond with Yvonne face skin :

Modifié par Yannkee, 26 août 2010 - 09:58 .

[Elyvern]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

I suspect that Shepard won't be spending his time negotiating deals with Council races, he will most likley have to convince the council and a new threat will emerge, most likely connected to the sun close to Tali recruitment mission planet (can't remember).  This will require the work of a spectre. Maybe we could even see other spectre's entering the game world.

So Shepard's role will stay with using what he has (combit and leadership skills) to take the fight to the reapers (or new reaper ally). He is a soldier, a leader of soldiers but he isn't a politician, well at least not yet.

Perhaps I need to clarify, I meant post-reapers when I wrote what I wrote. I'll leave it to the ingenuity of the Bioware crew to solve the tricky issue of setting a TPS RPG within the backdrop of all-out galactic war in ME3 without making Shepard just another nameless soldier in the fray.  

Modifié par Elyvern, 26 août 2010 - 10:12 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes. Also, much against the current trend, I find pale skin and black (or very dark) hair more attractive than any other combination. Spending too much time in the sun is unhealthy anyway 

So, no tanned Miranda and no blonde Miranda, please. Blonde hair looks ugly in the game anyway. If there will be an option for a blonde Miranda in a DLC, and it's separate from the outfit itself, I think I could live with it, but I wonder if we could come to a consenses about not allowing screenshots of blonde Miranda in this thread. Because as far as I'm concerned, it's another woman. I think while she won't hesitate to dye her hair or use a wig if a mission requires it, she's unlikely to do it where she doesn't need to.

I generally prefer a bit of a tan, but it doesn't really work well with dark brown or black hair. Regarding blonde Miranda, I wholeheartedly agree with the ban on blonde Miranda screenshots in the thread. Yvonne Strahovski is a gorgeous blonde but golden locks just don't seem to fit Miranda (I've never been able to figure out why I think this), even if the engine was capable of rendering decent looking blonde hair.

Elyvern wrote...

The reason why I brought the possibility
of a career change for Shepard is the more I think about it, the more
the suicide mission feels like a guerilla strike to me, and not so much
the opening salvo to the reaper war. Despite how much I like the
TPS combat system in the game, commando strikes isn't going to win the
war. (if it did, it would be awfully anti-climatic). Winning over
factions like the Quarians, Geth and Rachni to his side is likely the
only way to go. In my universe, Shepard eventually realises that
decisions that ultimately count aren't made on the battle field, but
rather in conference rooms-- forging alliances, drawing up legislation,
only then sending the grunts in to enforce them. The question would
then be would he be able to survive the journey to make those decisions
for the galaxy, or is he too much of an old dog to teach new tricks
to?  I suppose  you can think of this as a response to the scenario
that Shepard may have set the bar so high that he basically puts
everyone, including himself, out of a job after that.  

This is yet another reason why I've never been crazy about the Reapers as an enemy. Bioware has created such a powerful foe in ME that I think they're going to have a really difficult time coming up with a believable way to defeat them in ME3. They already showed in ME1 that ONE Reaper could seemingly take on any number of regular warships and win. Even if Shepard wins over the geth, the rachni, and the quarians AND gets the Council races on his side, I just don't see how that will be enough unless Bioware introduces some kind of technosorcery incorporating that dark energy subplot in ME2.

Also, as Ieldra pointed out, Bioware has severely compressed the timeline of the Shepard trilogy. DA2 is supposed to unfold over 10 years and I think the ME trilogy should have done the same, possibly even extending it longer. Defeating an enemy like the Reapers shouldn't be a five year project. Gathering resources and marshaling the galaxy's races takes time.

[Caihn]

There is also something which bother me : Miranda's neck glitch.
I hope the appearance pack will give us an outfit that cover her neck and resolve the problem.

[Breakdown Boy]

Elyvern wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

I suspect that Shepard won't be spending his time negotiating deals with Council races, he will most likley have to convince the council and a new threat will emerge, most likely connected to the sun close to Tali recruitment mission planet (can't remember).  This will require the work of a spectre. Maybe we could even see other spectre's entering the game world.

So Shepard's role will stay with using what he has (combit and leadership skills) to take the fight to the reapers (or new reaper ally). He is a soldier, a leader of soldiers but he isn't a politician, well at least not yet.

Perhaps I need to clarify, I meant post-reapers when I wrote what I wrote. I'll leave it to the ingenuity of the Bioware crew to solve the tricky issue of setting a TPS RPG within the backdrop of all-out galactic war in ME3.  

Oh, I guess than Shepard could advance in rank and become a captain and the eventually an admiral or N7 task force commander that co-ordinates the different operations from a larger ship. Could even become the head of a new division designed to recruit and train elite soldiers for N7 or even more elite group. A way for the alliance to make sure they have humans in the Spectres.

I gues this could afford him a women in the background, best fit would be Ashley as she is an Alliance soldier not so much Miri as she worked for the enemy and would always be under suspicion.

[Breakdown Boy]

Yannkee wrote...

There is also something which bother me : Miranda's neck glitch.
I hope the appearance pack will give us an outfit that cover her neck and resolve the problem.

What problem?

[fongiel24]

Yannkee wrote...

There is also something which bother me : Miranda's neck glitch.
I hope the appearance pack will give us an outfit that cover her neck and resolve the problem.

THIS. That glitch where Miranda's throat keeps clipping through her choker drives me crazy. If it was only an occasional glitch that occured while she was in action I might be okay with it, but it keeps showing up in her conversations when she leans over her desk or sits down (which is most of the time).

[Caihn]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

There is also something which bother me : Miranda's neck glitch.
I hope the appearance pack will give us an outfit that cover her neck and resolve the problem.

What problem?

This one :

[Breakdown Boy]

Yannkee wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

There is also something which bother me : Miranda's neck glitch.
I hope the appearance pack will give us an outfit that cover her neck and resolve the problem.

What problem?

This one :

Oh ok, I get that some times as well, maybe there be a third patch which will include that.

[Elyvern]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Oh, I guess than Shepard could advance in rank and become a captain and the eventually an admiral or N7 task force commander that co-ordinates the different operations from a larger ship. Could even become the head of a new division designed to recruit and train elite soldiers for N7 or even more elite group. A way for the alliance to make sure they have humans in the Spectres.

I gues this could afford him a women in the background, best fit would be Ashley as she is an Alliance soldier not so much Miri as she worked for the enemy and would always be under suspicion.

Yes, but what I'm also saying is it takes a different mindset to be a paper-pusher, or someone sitting in the comfort of a command deck and simply giving orders. I'm not sure Shepard can make that transition seamlessly, nor am I entirely comfortable with him doing so.

And I would empathically not want Miranda to be working under Shepard again, hence the discussion that she could return a reformed Cerberus as a black ops and intelligence agency back into the folds of the Alliance, which would effectively make her and Shepard colleagues, but playing on a level field.

Modifié par Elyvern, 26 août 2010 - 10:27 .

[Caihn]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

There is also something which bother me : Miranda's neck glitch.
I hope the appearance pack will give us an outfit that cover her neck and resolve the problem.

What problem?

This one :

Oh ok, I get that some times as well, maybe there be a third patch which will include that.

I don't think a patch can resolve this problem. It's because of the collisions between the face 3d model and the body 3d model during some animations.

[Ieldra]

Breakdown Boy wrote...
Guys, I need help! I really want to do this fic well and I am struggling to understand Miranda's father's motivations. Please give your imput...

1. What do you think was her father's plan with her creation?

Miranda said he wanted a dynasty. Going from that, I think he wanted to start some kind of "genetic aristocracy" distinguished by the combination of certain mental and physical traits. A dynasty with a genetic disposition towards supreme cognitive abilities and physical grace, health and longevity, and also easily recognized by appearance to remain obviously distinctive. There are a few flaws in such a concept - such as the requirement that the distinctive genes remain dominant over time, which precludes mating with "outsiders", i.e. can only be assured by continued genetic engineering or inbreeding, or the question of how distinguished this aristocracy can remain once genetic engineering becomes more widespread. As it will, since Miranda's creation isn't illegal in itself according to the Codex. Maybe the procedure to make her a biotic is, but that's not genetic.

Both are problems that can be solved, however, with continued interventions in the first case and patents in the second, given a "friendly" legal environment. So it's not something that couldn't be realized. The biggest flaw, however, cannot: the fact that non-genetic factors play a big role in what a human becomes, things like upbringing and lifestyle, and more so the more complex the sought-for distinctive abilities become. For instance, you can have genes that could make you a superb athlete, but if you eat too much and aren't inclined to training (and that can't be coded) you'll end up a fat couch potato anyway.
 

2. What do you think was the reason why Miranda left, what could have been the tipping point?

(1) She discovered what happened to her older sisters. Possibilities include that they were killed or institutionalized in spite of being perfectly healthy.
(2) She discovered her father set her up for some kind of mental trauma to trigger her biotics. In my fanon he set her up for attempted rape.
Oriana's birth alone wouldn't be enough. As bad as her emotional environment was, without something really dramatic she could expect to happen to Oriana she wouldn't have taken her out of an environment that offered at least material comfort for a life which may as well have ended up on the streets.

[Elyvern]

Yannkee wrote...

But, the problem is : if you activate all graphics effects of the game Miranda will appear paler than she should. Her face textures are paler than the other characters but not as pale as they appear in the game.

The second screenshot is more accurate with the pallor level of the face textures.

My word--that does jump out, doesn't it? I find the contrast between her skin tone and hair unsettling even though as a general rule, I far prefer higher contrast. And I definitely like the notion of pale women with dark hair, but as much as I hate to admit, the way the lighting renders these textures, along with the uncanny valley shots is probably part of the reason why some people accuse her of looking like Michael Jackson.

[Breakdown Boy]

Elyvern wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Oh, I guess than Shepard could advance in rank and become a captain and the eventually an admiral or N7 task force commander that co-ordinates the different operations from a larger ship. Could even become the head of a new division designed to recruit and train elite soldiers for N7 or even more elite group. A way for the alliance to make sure they have humans in the Spectres.

I gues this could afford him a women in the background, best fit would be Ashley as she is an Alliance soldier not so much Miri as she worked for the enemy and would always be under suspicion.

Yes, but what I'm also saying is it takes a different mindset to be a paper-pusher, or someone sitting in the comfort of a command deck and simply giving orders. I'm not sure Shepard can make that transition seamlessly, nor am I entirely comfortable with him doing so.


And I would empathically not want Miranda to be working under Shepard again, hence the discussion that she could return a reformed Cerberus as a black ops and intelligence agency back into the folds of the Alliance, which would effectively make her and Shepard colleagues, but playing on a level field.

Agree but I see Miranda as a spy network type of person and not black ops that's where Shepard would be more a hands on training and operational head of N7 or similair department. Shep would most likely need intel from Miranda on a regular basis and his team would be the strike force.

[Breakdown Boy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...
Guys, I need help! I really want to do this fic well and I am struggling to understand Miranda's father's motivations. Please give your imput...

1. What do you think was her father's plan with her creation?

Miranda said he wanted a dynasty. Going from that, I think he wanted to start some kind of "genetic aristocracy" distinguished by the combination of certain mental and physical traits. A dynasty with a genetic disposition towards supreme cognitive abilities and physical grace, health and longevity, and also easily recognized by appearance to remain obviously distinctive. There are a few flaws in such a concept - such as the requirement that the distinctive genes remain dominant over time, which precludes mating with "outsiders", i.e. can only be assured by continued genetic engineering or inbreeding, or the question of how distinguished this aristocracy can remain once genetic engineering becomes more widespread. As it will, since Miranda's creation isn't illegal in itself according to the Codex. Maybe the procedure to make her a biotic is, but that's not genetic.

Both are problems that can be solved, however, with continued interventions in the first case and patents in the second, given a "friendly" legal environment. So it's not something that couldn't be realized. The biggest flaw, however, cannot: the fact that non-genetic factors play a big role in what a human becomes, things like upbringing and lifestyle, and more so the more complex the sought-for distinctive abilities become. For instance, you can have genes that could make you a superb athlete, but if you eat too much and aren't inclined to training (and that can't be coded) you'll end up a fat couch potato anyway.
 

2. What do you think was the reason why Miranda left, what could have been the tipping point?

(1) She discovered what happened to her older sisters. Possibilities include that they were killed or institutionalized in spite of being perfectly healthy.
(2) She discovered her father set her up for some kind of mental trauma to trigger her biotics. In my fanon he set her up for attempted rape.
Oriana's birth alone wouldn't be enough. As bad as her emotional environment was, without something really dramatic she could expect to happen to Oriana she wouldn't have taken her out of an environment that offered at least material comfort for a life which may as well have ended up on the streets.

I am misunderstanding one word - what is a fanon? Is that another word for fan fiction?

Modifié par Breakdown Boy, 26 août 2010 - 10:37 .

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
 
So, no tanned Miranda and no blonde Miranda, please. Blonde hair looks ugly in the game anyway. If there will be an option for a blonde Miranda in a DLC, and it's separate from the outfit itself, I think I could live with it, but I wonder if we could come to a consenses about not allowing screenshots of blonde Miranda in this thread. Because as far as I'm concerned, it's another woman. I think while she won't hesitate to dye her hair or use a wig if a mission requires it, she's unlikely to do it where she doesn't need to.

this

But, the problem is : if you activate all graphics effects of the game Miranda will appear paler than she should. Her face textures are paler than the other characters but not as pale as they appear in the game.

The second screenshot is more accurate with the pallor level of the face textures.

The second one is very beautiful, and yes, very much preferrable to the first. Is this with deactivated "depth-of-field" again or is it something else?

[Ieldra]

Breakdown Boy wrote...
I am misunderstanding one word - what is a fanon? Is that another word for fan fiction?

No, it's a term for either "a fan's personal canon", or a version of events that becomes so agreed-upon by a group of fans it might as well be canon.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 août 2010 - 10:44 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...
I am misunderstanding one word - what is a fanon? Is that another word for fan fiction?

No, it's a term for either "a fan's personal canon", or a version of events that becomes so agreed-upon by a group of fans it might as well be canon.

Phew, almost thought you already wrote something about Miri's past.:happy: