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[jtav]

I want more Miranda in ME3 as well, provided it's Miranda and not some OOC thing that's lost her independence and competence. Or her edge.



Thanks Ieldra. I'm leaning towards Tali or Miranda. He's already in a relationship with Liara, but fidelity would imply he cared about her.

[fongiel24]

If we're talking about a status symbol in human society, Miranda is the only one that works. None of the other LI's make for great arm candy. If Shepard could get Miranda to play along (and that's a huge if), she's the only one who could look good in a cocktail dress at a party.



Even if we're talking about a status symbol in galactic society (aliens included), Liara isn't great because she has the stigma of being the purebred (I can't remember the derogatory term) daughter of a traitor.

[jtav]

Well he went for Liara because of the "hot alien chick" and because she was impressionable and fawning over him. Ashley was too ordinary. Miranda makes sense in some ways, but I'm not sure I have the stomach to put her with such a creep.

[Elyvern]

Test. Can anyone read this? Or the posts I made in the previous page?

Modifié par Elyvern, 03 septembre 2010 - 12:50 .

[jtav]

Gotcha Elyvern.



It'll never happen but wouldn't a Miranda DLC be great? Dealing with her father once and for all.

[fongiel24]

Elyvern wrote...

Test. Can anyone read this? Or the posts I made in the previous page?

I can read everything you typed just fine.

jtav wrote...

It'll never happen but wouldn't a Miranda DLC be great? Dealing with her father once and for all.

I suspect you're preaching to the converted in this thread, but definitely yes. I think a Miranda DLC dealing with her father actually would have worked better than the Shadow Broker DLC. The SB is tied in so closely to the main plot that it's really a shame that that storyline is being dealt with in DLC instead of in ME3. Content like Miranda's father makes more sense as DLC because it's not integral to the main plot.

As you said, jtav, it'll never happen but it's still fun to speculate on how it'd play out. There'd probably be another Paragon/Renegade choice at the end allowing Shepard to either talk Miranda down from shooting her father or egging her on. A choice to reconcile them would be unrealistic I think. I wonder though... how would Miranda react if Shepard shot her father instead of her doing it?

[jtav]

I think she'd feel cheated and demeaned. She's a big girl. Shepard has no right to decide what she can and can't deal with. I'd take the Renegade path every time. I want him dead for what he did to her. She deserved a loving family, not someone who treated her as a means to an end instead of a daughter. Miranda's personality makes her more interesting, but she's by nature like Oriana and Oriana seems like a fairly warm, friendly girl, with no self-esteem problems. The difference is Mr. Lawson. He's a dead man.

[Dan the Man with a Plan]

I cant stand Jack but i like taking her along on miranda's loyalty mission for one of the comments she makes in response to what the captain says.

[VivaLaNES]

I wouldn't let Miri shoot Niket. But her Father? That's when I take a huge step back and say "go get him if you want him."

[snfonseka]

fongiel24 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Not all men are that weak ....

If simple seduction doesn't work, sex is unlikely to either. In many ways, seduction is more powerful than sex. The sex is like the carrot. The carrot-on-the-stick loses its utility if you actually give the carrot to the donkey. As long as her mark is lusting after her, Miranda can string them along until she gives in and gives them what they want (sex). As soon as the mark has gotten that, what reason would they have to keep doing what Miranda wants? Once their lust for her is satiated, she loses a lot of leverage. 

Regarding the comment that not all men are that weak, any man strong enough to resist Miranda's charms is not going to suddenly fall under her sway just because she agreed to give herself to them. For men that aren't as weak, Miranda would likely resort to other measures than sex and seduction.

Didn't get enough free time to complete my reply. So here goes...

When I said using sex/ attractiveness as a tool, I didn't mean someting like this, "Miri will have sex with someone and then get the information from him"... no that's not I meant. It is something like using her attractiveness/ sex to build a bond, relationship / make someone fall in love with her. For example, Miri can pretend to be in love with someone, be his girl friend and then get close to that person and use that relationship/ bond to get the job done. So using sex/ attractiveness is a part of that process. So nothing like, sex for information kind of thing intended in my previous post.

[snfonseka]

VivaLaNES wrote...

I wouldn't let Miri shoot Niket. But her Father? That's when I take a huge step back and say "go get him if you want him."

I did. That backstabber deserved it.

[snfonseka]

[fongiel24]

snfonseka wrote...

I did. That backstabber deserved it.

I once considered a scenario where M!Shep got Miranda to spare Niket for her sake, but executed Niket himself later without Miranda's knowledge to eliminate him as a security risk to her or her sister. I was planning it as a point of friction between Shepard and Miranda but I ended up dropping it though because I realized that something like that wouldn't be a point of friction - it would be a dealbreaker that could possibly end with Miranda shooting Shepard.

[SpartenN7]

I want my ME1 LI Ashley fighting against my ME2 LI miranda in a fight or something dramatic climax in ME3 something like you must save one of them and the other dies or leaves for good or something else . IF so Im definatly choosing miranda all the time

[VivaLaNES]

snfonseka wrote...

VivaLaNES wrote...

I wouldn't let Miri shoot Niket. But her Father? That's when I take a huge step back and say "go get him if you want him."

I did. That backstabber deserved it.

I can totally see that as well. Heck maybe I shoulda let her do it, but I found that she'd probably regret killing her childhood friend more than seeing some crazy asari captain kill him. Get revenge that way I guess. Does this make any sense at all? Probably not, stupid cold meds.

[Ieldra]

About the Niket scene:

My Shepards act in different ways here. From the impact on Miranda, there's no way to say which decision is better. In my mind, there's no doubt he deserves his fate - he should've spoken to Miranda before taking such a drastic step - but as I see it he's not important anymore, so you might as well let him live.



But: I must say that Bioware has bent over backwards once again to give a convincing reason for letting him live. "Niket can help!" - WTF? As if you'd ever trust him again with anything important after this. I also highly resent that Shepard actually physically interrupts her. It's her decision, damn it, he should have asked "You really want to do this?" instead of outright telling her "You don't want to do this." If she decides to let him live, it's more from an attitude of "Alive, dead, I don't care. Just...go away." For that reason, I find the decision to let her kill Niket more authentic.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I want him dead for what he did to her. She deserved a loving family, not someone who treated her as a means to an end instead of a daughter. Miranda's personality makes her more interesting, but she's by nature like Oriana and Oriana seems like a fairly warm, friendly girl, with no self-esteem problems. The difference is Mr. Lawson. He's a dead man.

If you're that determined now, just wait until you read chapter 2 of my fanfic (which is 95% done). Likely you'll hang his face on a wall then and hit him with darts every chance you get.
Perhaps I should add a good description to help

[Jebel Krong]

meh i always kill niket - the paragon interrupt is wussy at best - makes shepard look like a subservient weakling - and, frankly, the guy deserves it, miranda wouldn't trust him anymore, so why let him live?

[jtav]

I vary in what I do. She seems happier if she lets him live, but I prefer "So was I" as a lead-in to her manhandling Enyala. Much more badass. I dislike the way Shepard tells her what she wants. She has that right to make that decision for herself.



I don't doubt it, Ieldra. I think I might know what you're planning. If I'm right, I might use the flamethrower to kill him.

[Jebel Krong]

today's screens (i've finished sorting through), first up from meeting Legion:









(one of the only times you'll see her use an AR in an un-modded game)

[Jebel Krong]

back on the normandy:

[jtav]

SpartenN7 wrote...

I want my ME1 LI Ashley fighting against my ME2 LI miranda in a fight or something dramatic climax in ME3 something like you must save one of them and the other dies or leaves for good or something else . IF so Im definatly choosing miranda all the time

Not me. The only consequence I want to see is Shepard getting dumped by both if he tries to have both at once. I'd enjoy that.  The only really hard choices I'd have are Miranda vs. Liara and Kaidan vs. Thane. Miranda and Liara because I don't want to hurt them and Kaidan and Thane because I find them equally appealing as LIs.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Many thanks for this one, Jebel Krong. It's one of my favorites, and I've only had a very blurry version till now.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I don't doubt it, Ieldra. I think I might know what you're planning. If I'm right, I might use the flamethrower to kill him.

I've stuck to what I've said earlier here, so yes, you know. Currently, I'm having some trouble explaining why Miranda doesn't kill him herself using the power triggered by the event. It would only be fitting. Probably she'll find getting Oriana out has a higher priority, and later... well, no spoilers.

Edit:
And I don't want some fight between female LIs over Shepard. That's just stupid, and I prefer my LIs smart. Being dumped by both would be acceptable in the case of Ashley and Miranda, but not necessarily with Liara. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[jtav]

Then I pray for a slow and painful death. I've only written him as being cold and controlling and institutionalizing his rejects, with Miranda on the verge of being locked away herself. Your scenario (and worse--I get serious Lazarus Long vibes from this guy) has crossed my mind, but I don't trust myself to handle it well.