15168 réponses à ce sujet

[Nightwriter]

Don't, like, go all serious on me, man. I'm at a party and there is alcohol present. Gimme a break.



It's all this "Shepard is boring" stuff. It's so true that it's annoying. I have yet to see male Shepard written well at all, and I want it, damn it. Miranda is an awesome LI and I want an equally awesome romantic interest for her who is a protagonist. It's not done in the game, and the fanfic writers who do have the ability to write it apparently have little interest in doing so. I mean I just can't catch a break. Woe is me. Woe, woe is me.

[Jebel Krong]

Nightwriter wrote...

Don't, like, go all serious on me, man. I'm at a party and there is alcohol present. Gimme a break.

It's all this "Shepard is boring" stuff. It's so true that it's annoying. I have yet to see male Shepard written well at all, and I want it, damn it. Miranda is an awesome LI and I want an equally awesome romantic interest for her who is a protagonist. It's not done in the game, and the fanfic writers who do have the ability to write it apparently have little interest in doing so. I mean I just can't catch a break. Woe is me. Woe, woe is me.

i agree there, but i've said it before - BW inhibit themselves leaving shep a semi-blank slate.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Night, I sincerely hope you didn't mean that. I have tried writing Shepard/Miranda. I habe no fun writing Shepard/Miranda. I have mire fun writing the "pre-written" characters because they're what interest me and made me want to write ME fic in the first place. Fleshing out the bones given by canon does take skill. And I can and do write original fiction, with original characters.

My creativity and attention span blows so I haven't written original fiction in years. I come up with a concept but lack the patience or time to really flesh it out, thus leaving me without inspiration when I try to write that concept as a real piece of fiction. Fan fiction is just more convenient and easy to write because someone else has done the hard work of creating a world and characters for you.

Speaking of fanfiction, I just posted two chapters of my fic, Rebirth, on ff.net, if anyone's interested. Still somewhat Shepard-heavy (as we've all discussed, Shepard is a blank-slate so I'm really trying to define him in the early chapters), but there's a healthy dose of Miranda in there as well.

http://www.fanfictio...33113/1/Rebirth (Edit: Thanks for the tip about the link tags Night!)

Oh, and no Shepard/Miranda love-fest yet. Their relationship is still firmly in the "hate" part of their hate/grudging-respect/genuine-respect/love relationship progression.

Nightwriter wrote...

Don't, like, go all serious on me, man. I'm at a party and there is alcohol present. Gimme a break.

It's
all this "Shepard is boring" stuff. It's so true that it's annoying. I
have yet to see male Shepard written well at all, and I want it, damn
it. Miranda is an awesome LI and I want an equally awesome romantic
interest for her who is a protagonist. It's not done in the game, and
the fanfic writers who do have the ability to write it
apparently have little interest in doing so. I mean I just can't catch
a break. Woe is me. Woe, woe is me.

The problem is that one person's interpretation of "well-written M!Shep" is "extremely OOC M!Shep" to another. Out of curiosity, what's YOUR idea of an awesome romantic interest for Miranda, Night?

BTW, how do you guys turn text into working links? 

Modifié par fongiel24, 04 septembre 2010 - 09:05 .

[Nightwriter]

Oh goody, some fanfic. Gimme.

And I object. Your lack of a link tag for the url address discriminates against the lazy.

Ooh. "The waiting was the worst part". That's a nice opening line. And Shepard and Miranda's relationship starts out hate based? The prospect gets more hopeful by the moment.

Jebel Krong wrote...

i agree there, but i've said it before - BW inhibit themselves leaving shep a semi-blank slate.

There are no words to express how much I agree with this statement.

[jtav]

Nightwriter wrote...

Don't, like, go all serious on me, man. I'm at a party and there is alcohol present. Gimme a break.

It's all this "Shepard is boring" stuff. It's so true that it's annoying. I have yet to see male Shepard written well at all, and I want it, damn it. Miranda is an awesome LI and I want an equally awesome romantic interest for her who is a protagonist. It's not done in the game, and the fanfic writers who do have the ability to write it apparently have little interest in doing so. I mean I just can't catch a break. Woe is me. Woe, woe is me.

Sorry. I just hear so much "why are you spending your time writing this?" that I'm a bit oversensitive. You wouldn't like what I, wit would come up with. I keep tossing around this story idea where Shepard and Miranda met years before the events of the game. He's married with a young, disabled son and his marriage is somewhat strained. He gets an invitation to join the Corsairs, which he accepts. He runs into Miranda on a mission and keeps running into her. He knows she's Cerberus but can't prove it. He becomes determined to bring her in by any means necessary. She is equally determined to recruit him. Nothing ever happens, but there's a good bit of UST and his obsession with catching her eventually contributes to his divorce. He's transferred to the Normandy and you know the rest.

[Nightwriter]

Oh wait, an edit...

fongiel24 wrote...

BTW, how do you guys turn text into working links? 

Put [ url ] [ /url ] on either side of the url address (without the spaces). Like this:

[ url ] http://www.fanfictio...33113/1/Rebirth [ /url ]

fongiel24 wrote...

The problem is that one person's interpretation of "well-written M!Shep" is "extremely OOC M!Shep" to another.

Well screw that. I'll sacrifice some PC control freak's happiness for a well written character any day.

fongiel24 wrote...

Out of curiosity, what's YOUR idea of an awesome romantic interest for Miranda, Night?

Simply put, someone who will challenge her. Mentally, emotionally, professionally, physically, intellectually.

This should be juxtaposed by a dual element of love. Not only should this person challenge her competitively, but they should challenge her beliefs about trust, love, and what a relationship can be. They should challenge her (negative) views about herself.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
Just write Shepard well, you lazy cowards! Then you wouldn't have to pair her with pre-written characters that take no originality to write whatsoever!

Grr! Argh! This has been your daily visit from Nightwriter the Salty Sea Pirate!

LOL. Then it may delight you that I've picked up a duty to write a Shepard/Miranda fic. In the ficathon I've been assigned a nice prompt which gives me the opportunity to put them in a setting where I've always wanted to see them. Thinking about it made me realize that it's actually rather hard to write an OOC Shepard as long as you remove him from his familiar surroundings and missions we see in the game. Put him somewhere else, where steamrolling over people, either physically or verbally, isn't an option, and you realize how little we know about him - and you have much more freedom when writing.

BTW, I always have to restrain myself from laughing at the term "ficathon" - to a German, it sounds like a crude synonym for an orgy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 septembre 2010 - 09:07 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL. Then it may delight you that I've picked up a duty to write a Shepard/Miranda fic. In the ficathon I've been assigned a nice prompt which gives me the opportunity to put them in a setting where I've always wanted to see them. Thinking about it made me realize that it's actually rather hard to write an OOC Shepard as long as you remove him from his familiar surroundings and missions we see in the game. Put him somewhere else, where steamrolling over people, either physically or verbally, isn't an option, and you realize how little we know about him - and you have much more freedom when writing.

BTW, I always have to restrain myself from laughing at the term "ficathon" - to a German, it sounds like a crude synonym for an orgy.

Grrr... I think they gave you my prompt, Ieldra. I got stuck writing... Jacob. On the one hand I'm excited to see what I can do with him but on the other... I've never put any though into Jacob before and I have no idea how to use him. Out of all the ME1 and ME2 squadmates, Jacob is the one I've put the least thought into. I've honestly thought more about Joker and EDI than Jacob.

Regarding the word "ficathon", my filthy mind now demands that you tell me what orgy is in German.

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra, when will we be seeing this fic?

jtav wrote...

Sorry. I just hear so much "why are you spending your time writing this?" that I'm a bit oversensitive. You wouldn't like what I, wit would come up with. I keep tossing around this story idea where Shepard and Miranda met years before the events of the game. He's married with a young, disabled son and his marriage is somewhat strained. He gets an invitation to join the Corsairs, which he accepts. He runs into Miranda on a mission and keeps running into her. He knows she's Cerberus but can't prove it. He becomes determined to bring her in by any means necessary. She is equally determined to recruit him. Nothing ever happens, but there's a good bit of UST and his obsession with catching her eventually contributes to his divorce. He's transferred to the Normandy and you know the rest.

Well obviously that's a good idea as always, quite interesting.

I notice all your Shepard/Miranda stuff involves the two having clashed before in some fashion.

Your Shepard's pretty interesting so far, fongiel. You put a different spin on Torfan than I expected, I admit. Interesting you named him John, I always like fanfic Shepards to deviate from the default, have unique names.

[jlb524]

Hey, do you Miranda fans hope she will have some dialog in the upcoming LotSB DLC? You know, given her connection to the plot and the events that happened in the comic.



I do hope so, though I don't know how feasible it is to bring Yvonne back for it...unless they recorded her dialog earlier, when they recorded it for ME2. It seems like they were planning this DLC for a long time, so this wouldn't be unreasonable, IMO.

[jtav]

I like romances where the principals had some sort of past relationship. Not that I'm going to write it. No interest.

[fongiel24]

Nightwriter wrote...

Your Shepard's pretty interesting so far, fongiel. You put a different spin on Torfan than I expected, I admit. Interesting you named him John, I always like fanfic Shepards to deviate from the default, have unique names.

Thanks, Night. I usually play Ruthless Shepards but I never liked the idea that Shepard just callously fed his men into a meatgrinder. You don't knowingly send your friends and colleagues to certain death without having very good reasons and without being affected afterwards, at least not unless you're some sort of sociopath.

I like the default name because it's so generic. It allows me to play around with what's underneath and it emphasizes the "everyman" aspect of Shepard, rather than the "superhero-with-the-cool-unique-name-that-no-one-else-has" Shepard ™. Using the default name is also a compromise to match as many readers' Shepards as possible (pandering to the mob,  I know ).

[jtav]

jlb524 wrote...

Hey, do you Miranda fans hope she will have some dialog in the upcoming LotSB DLC? You know, given her connection to the plot and the events that happened in the comic.

I do hope so, though I don't know how feasible it is to bring Yvonne back for it...unless they recorded her dialog earlier, when they recorded it for ME2. It seems like they were planning this DLC for a long time, so this wouldn't be unreasonable, IMO.

She won't. Confirmed in an article.

[fongiel24]

jlb524 wrote...

Hey, do you Miranda fans hope she will have some dialog in the upcoming LotSB DLC? You know, given her connection to the plot and the events that happened in the comic.

I do hope so, though I don't know how feasible it is to bring Yvonne back for it...unless they recorded her dialog earlier, when they recorded it for ME2. It seems like they were planning this DLC for a long time, so this wouldn't be unreasonable, IMO.

It's already been confirmed that none of the squadmates will have dialog in LotSB.

http://www.gamesrada...022015324633054

[jlb524]

Oh thanks...I've been avoiding the spoiler articles. That totally sucks. I'll have to add it in myself I guess.

[SgtPotato]

You can't expect Yvonne to show up for making more Miranda's dialogs in any DLCs because she is working for Chuck's 4th season right now.

Modifié par SgtPotato, 05 septembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL. Then it may delight you that I've picked up a duty to write a Shepard/Miranda fic. In the ficathon I've been assigned a nice prompt which gives me the opportunity to put them in a setting where I've always wanted to see them. Thinking about it made me realize that it's actually rather hard to write an OOC Shepard as long as you remove him from his familiar surroundings and missions we see in the game. Put him somewhere else, where steamrolling over people, either physically or verbally, isn't an option, and you realize how little we know about him - and you have much more freedom when writing.

BTW, I always have to restrain myself from laughing at the term "ficathon" - to a German, it sounds like a crude synonym for an orgy.

Grrr... I think they gave you my prompt, Ieldra. I got stuck writing... Jacob. On the one hand I'm excited to see what I can do with him but on the other... I've never put any though into Jacob before and I have no idea how to use him. Out of all the ME1 and ME2 squadmates, Jacob is the one I've put the least thought into. I've honestly thought more about Joker and EDI than Jacob.

Regarding the word "ficathon", my filthy mind now demands that you tell me what orgy is in German.

Yes, I've got your prompt. I find your timing requirements a bit restrictive, though - there's only one month between Saren's defeat and the destruction of the Normandy. There may be a few consistency problems I won't be able to circumvent.

As for the word, I said it sounded like a crude synonym for an orgy, not a translation. To get an inclination, I might mention that if you speak the word "fic" and interpret it as German, what you will get is the exact meaning of "f*ck", including all the vulgarity associated with it, though use as a generic swear-word is uncommon. You can imagine that the word "fanfic", too, has some unfortunate associations. Furthermore, considering the content of most fanfics, the associations are ironically apt, which is another reason I almost can't stop laughing while I'm writing this.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 septembre 2010 - 06:37 .

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
Ieldra, when will we be seeing this fic?

I've got until Oct 3 to finish it (or was it Sep 30 - I don't recall). I think I'll be able to finish it on time, though I've got so many ideas I'd like to add to my scenario that it probably won't be much earlier.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 septembre 2010 - 06:44 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've got until Oct 3 to finish it (or was it Sep 30 - I don't recall). I think I'll be able to finish it on time, though I've got so many ideas I'd like to add to my scenario that it probably won't be much earlier.

October 27th actually, so you have about a month more than you thought.

Regarding the prompt, feel free to extend the timeline. I didn't realize there was only a month between the Battle of the Citadel and the Normandy's destruction. Had I known, I would have changed it to "any time between Shepard becoming an N7 and the opening scene of ME2". What I had in mind for the prompt really requires a much longer time than a single month. It was really intended to be a cat-and-mouse thing spread out over several months.

Modifié par fongiel24, 05 septembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've got until Oct 3 to finish it (or was it Sep 30 - I don't recall). I think I'll be able to finish it on time, though I've got so many ideas I'd like to add to my scenario that it probably won't be much earlier.

October 27th actually, so you have about a month more than you thought.

Regarding the prompt, feel free to extend the timeline. I didn't realize there was only a month between the Battle of the Citadel and the Normandy's destruction. Had I known, I would have changed it to "any time between Shepard becoming an N7 and the opening scene of ME2". What I had in mind for the prompt really requires a much longer time than a single month. It was really intended to be a cat-and-mouse thing spread out over several months.

Several months. hmmm? I don't think I'll be able to cover that much time *and* make the scenes convincing enough. We'll see. It's proving surprisingly difficult to integrate my scenario into the timeline - at any time.

BTW: I just read the last two chapters of your fanfic. I like it very much. Can't wait for more.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 septembre 2010 - 07:42 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Several months. hmmm? I don't think I'll be able to cover that much time *and* make the scenes convincing enough. We'll see. It's proving surprisingly difficult to integrate my scenario into the timeline - at any time.

BTW: I just read the last two chapters of your fanfic. I like it very much. Can't wait for more.

Thanks for the kind words. It'll probably be a while until I update though - I have an idea for my Jacob entry but it's going to take a while to write.

Speaking of Jacob... I have a question.

What's the relationship like between Jacob and Miranda in ME2? They're obviously not dating but they do seem to care about each other. Are they confidants? Happily separated ex's? Ex's with unresolved issues? I remember the first time I played Miranda's loyalty mission I wondered about this when she mentioned something like  "the only people I'm close to now work for Cerberus - or you." and my mind immediately went to Jacob.

Here's my take:

I'm inclined to believe they're friendly, but I don't think they talk all the time. This is more a function of neither of them really being the sharing type than evidence of an awkward ex relationship though.

For Jacob, Miranda is a woman he still has some feelings for but he has accepted that they will have to stay unresolved since she doesn't share them. He respects her and she's possibly the only person in Cerberus that he trusts. He's fiercely loyal to her and would gladly take a bullet for her, even though he doesn't quite understand her or her motivations a lot of the time.

On Miranda's part, she thinks Jacob is competent and dependable but overly idealistic. She generally admires his steadfastness and idealism but occasionally it annoys her when it seems to get in the way of their missions. She'd never admit this to him, but she values their friendship a great deal due to the difficulty she has in forming relationships (platonic or otherwise) and she knows he's one of the few people she works with who would never stab her in the back. If a vital mission called for it however, she would be willing to sacrifice him but not without significant hesitation and much soul searching afterwards. If Shepard hadn't been available, Jacob would have been the one she'd turned to for help with her sister.

Thoughts?

[Caihn]

SgtPotato wrote...

You can't expect Yvonne to show up for making more Miranda's dialogs in any DLCs because she is working for Chuck's 4th season right now.

I think nobody expected that voice actors would come back for the DLC.
But I expected more anticipation from Bioware : they should have think of the needs for the DLC when it was already planned (long time before ME2 release). And the voice actors could have record some additional lines during the main recording session.

[jtav]

Does anyone else think Miranda looks a bit anxious when the elevator first opens, almost as if she's attempting to compose herself? I like that. The coyness should have been a bit of a mask. She's pretending this is a normal sexual encounter because she's trying to take what comfort she can before she (probably) dies in a few hours. The sex scene itself is growing on me.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Does anyone else think Miranda looks a bit anxious when the elevator first opens, almost as if she's attempting to compose herself? I like that. The coyness should have been a bit of a mask. She's pretending this is a normal sexual encounter because she's trying to take what comfort she can before she (probably) dies in a few hours. The sex scene itself is growing on me.

I've watched the scene again, and I think you've made a discovery. She does indeed look anxious when the elevator opens. Like she must call up the courage to approach Shepard and risk to be rejected at a most vulnerable moment. Which would be devastating for her, even though she'd never admit it. And then she approaches him like this because she doesn't want to show that vulnerability.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:25 .

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Does anyone else think Miranda looks a bit anxious when the elevator first opens, almost as if she's attempting to compose herself? I like that. The coyness should have been a bit of a mask. She's pretending this is a normal sexual encounter because she's trying to take what comfort she can before she (probably) dies in a few hours. The sex scene itself is growing on me.

I don't think the Bioware artists and animators intended such a deep meaning for Miranda's initial facial expression in this scene, but after watching it again, I agree with this. Intentional or not though, Miranda does look slightly anxious. I find it strangely attractive, seeing her suddenly vulnerable, with her guard momentarily let down. If only Shepard could show the same emotional complexity.